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[Swowl]

Guys, it's pointless to talk to Galzria about what he would or would not do as scum. Duh. It's not pointless to talk about it in general, but specifically to Galz ? No point at all.

This.

I'm not asking what you would do as skum. More importantly, why claim townie and then not give an answer?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Almost caught up. Just wanted to say I agree on those town reads, at least Skumpy and TWM. Skumpy I don't think can make up everything he's been saying as scum. TWM is overly-dramatic as usual, that means he's town. chairs I'm not really sure about.

I think you underestimate me. Or maybe I overestimate myself.

Oh so you ARE scum?

sigh. *If I ever am skum*. I'd like to think I can be crafty enough to make fake reads.


I'm not so sure how I feel anymore about a Jake lynch. He's not my number 1 suspect anymore, but his death maybe could help some regardless of how he reveals. Which is also a good reason to vote me, but let's not worry about that right now. I'm not going to help with a quicklynch, but I'm a willing voter if the deadline approaches.

XX, why did you vote Jake over me?

I guess I'm still just giving you space to see how you play, arguments were semi compelling in on D1 that you were town. You still throw me as odd but rather keep you around if you truly are town

Jake also jusy throws me as odd but he has yet to prove he's not scum to me in any way. Vote will likely change but I don't mind casting my vote towards him as now.

[Galzria]

Guys, it's pointless to talk to Galzria about what he would or would not do as scum. Duh. It's not pointless to talk about it in general, but specifically to Galz ? No point at all.

This.

I'm not asking what you would do as skum. More importantly, why claim townie and then not give an answer?

I've already answered that.

[chairs]

Yeah, unfortunate the premature "gladiatorial combat" moment there, since it makes it harder to decide if the Robz lynch was important to scum or not. I lean towards yes, which is part of why I'm voting for Jake now.

Are there specific elements that make you think the Robz lynch was pushed by scum ?

The way things slowed like molasses at the end felt weird to me.

Right but... how does that indicate one over the other ?

Unwillingness to swap from one person to the other? Although maybe I'm misreading and scum was trying to push a no lynch in the first place.

[Teproc]

Yeah, unfortunate the premature "gladiatorial combat" moment there, since it makes it harder to decide if the Robz lynch was important to scum or not. I lean towards yes, which is part of why I'm voting for Jake now.

Are there specific elements that make you think the Robz lynch was pushed by scum ?

The way things slowed like molasses at the end felt weird to me.

Right but... how does that indicate one over the other ?

Unwillingness to swap from one person to the other? Although maybe I'm misreading and scum was trying to push a no lynch in the first place.

Ah, so you see it as scum already being on the Robz wagon mostly, and just waiting for town to crack ? I see.

That would then implicate Galz, XXr, Skumpy and, well, you. So just those three (and Jake) from your PoV I suppose.

Skumpy's move especially would be the big one there. What do you think of the gkrieg kill in light of that theory ?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

People voting Jake: I'd be interested to hear what you think went on late day 1 once the lynch solidified as either Robz or Jake. Actually I'm kind of interested in everyone's thoughts about this.

I'll answer that when my questions have been answered. My answer depends on what those answers are.

What questions would that be ? I only see a Jake vote today, and some general complaining at the end of day 1 ? What is you want answered exactly ?

Well 322 was a question that I asked and absolutely no one answered. It is similar to your question, but was actually asked before the deadline when it was more useful and could have prevented a Robz lynch.

But beyond that I just want more from Jake honestly. I think his vote on Skumpy was scummy and bad, dismissed (without providing a reason why) all of my points about Skumpy, has persistently shown up, but offered no more than one word or line responses, has skirted around suspicion. I want him to respond to some posts (specifically mine about him being scummy) rather than just ignore them. Until that happens and I can get some sort of actual read off him I don't know if he is town playing boorishly or scum trying to hide. And until I know the answer to that (or at least start down that path) I can't answer your question in a way that is meaningful.

But I am happy to just vote for him and lynch him if it comes to that.

[chairs]

I've got to leave work now, but initial thought is that I still find it difficult to believe Skumpy is scum, he's just... too weird?

Now that you've pointed that out, it leans me towards the "pushing to no lynch" possibility more.

[chairs]

But then why would scum be trying to no lynch if they could just get a mislynch instead? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I'm a 1-shot Commuter. Notably, faust also forgot about this, and seemingly everyone else. Well, at least three people (or less if scum is in the people not posting), either pretended to forget (because you can be sure this was a subject of conversation in the scum QT last night) or simply missed that this was what I was trying to get out of Galz.

What this means to people's alignment, I'll leave to you (general you), for now.

I forgot about it. Actually, it isn't forgetting. I never knew that. So I very much missed what you were trying to get out of Galz/faust, but it does make them townierish. But I do think the way you were asking was vague enough (as it needed to be) that he might not have felt the need to explain something that you would obviously already know about yourself?

So I think it ends up null. If another player, that wasn't you, had asked, it might have more meaning.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote Count later

Can we get this?

[Roadrunner7671]

What a joke.

Think i am kinda done with this game.

Can you address what this was about? I think it was about the last minute voting but I'm still not sure.

[LaLight]

Vote Count later

Can we get this?

Done.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.1

Galzria (1): faust
faust (1): Galzria
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): The_Wine_Merchant, chairs, Xxraptorslayer96

Not voting (6): DatSwan, Roadrunner7671, AndrewisFTTW, JaketheBaseballGod22, Skumpy, Teproc

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, August 16 at 2:30 pm forum time.

[Swowl]

vote: Galzria

[The_Wine_Merchant]

What a joke.

Think i am kinda done with this game.

Can you address what this was about? I think it was about the last minute voting but I'm still not sure.

No.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

What a joke.

Think i am kinda done with this game.

Can you address what this was about? I think it was about the last minute voting but I'm still not sure.

No.

Why so serious? Can't answer simple questions? Can't explain your reasoning of your own words?
Scum.

[chairs]

Home now, but I feel like I've basically reached the same conclusion as earlier where I'm just stumped as to the actions that occurred at the very end of D1.

[Galzria]

I had a town read on chairs d1 that is quickly evaporating.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

What a joke.

Think i am kinda done with this game.

Can you address what this was about? I think it was about the last minute voting but I'm still not sure.

No.

Why so serious? Can't answer simple questions? Can't explain your reasoning of your own words?
Scum.

I don't feel like explaining why I was an asshole. Being an asshole, in my opinion, isn't alignment indicative. It is more indicative of the mindset that I was in for other, real life reasons.

[Galzria]

What a joke.

Think i am kinda done with this game.

Can you address what this was about? I think it was about the last minute voting but I'm still not sure.

No.

Why so serious? Can't answer simple questions? Can't explain your reasoning of your own words?
Scum.

I don't feel like explaining why I was an asshole. Being an asshole, in my opinion, isn't alignment indicative. It is more indicative of the mindset that I was in for other, real life reasons.

Basically, it's not game related so no need to pursue.

[Skumpy]

Teproc, regarding the 1-shot commuter: I was planning to mention in the post, and then it slipped my mind and I forgot about it
Honestly, I don't think there's much to be gained from that. No doubt it was discussed in the QT - maybe scum could play dumb, maybe it's a town honest mistake, there's better things to read into than that.

As for the a) jake is scum b) town:

a) scum.
Well, the theory about me flipping to save a teammate I know is wrong. So many people were away that's is easy for scum to be among them and have an easy excuse. This includes faust: I didn't expect a Jake wagon to take off when he voted, maybe he's lying when he said he disagreed? (I don't know, just one theory, and per my promise about shorter posts, I won't Delve into it).

The only person who I'd give a pass to for sticking to Jake is TWM. Assuming jake is scum, and twm didn't flip to Robz when that lynch was looking better and TWM's saved me from a lynch, then it's a genius scum play on his part. I won't even be mad, hat's off to him if that's the case, and I will know better next time.

b)town
Then yeah, scum didn't care. Only two other wagons day 1 were Galz, which was so early that it was unlikely to happen quickly, and me, which is wrong. So scum flew way under the radar.


So in conclusion: I don't know.

Out of curiosity, is there anybody who believes Jake is a bad lynch today? Judging from past games, he is often a victim of the mislynch, right? I don't want to defend him, but if he is town, it's an easy lynch to make happen. I don't know...something feels very amiss. Am I just paranoid...

[Galzria]

 He's not my first choice, but I have no reason to town read him either.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Out of curiosity, is there anybody who believes Jake is a bad lynch today? Judging from past games, he is often a victim of the mislynch, right? I don't want to defend him, but if he is town, it's an easy lynch to make happen. I don't know...something feels very amiss. Am I just paranoid...

I am wanting him to show that he isn't a bad lynch. He has failed to do so thus far. So he is a good lynch.

[Galzria]

Out of curiosity, is there anybody who believes Jake is a bad lynch today? Judging from past games, he is often a victim of the mislynch, right? I don't want to defend him, but if he is town, it's an easy lynch to make happen. I don't know...something feels very amiss. Am I just paranoid...

I am wanting him to show that he isn't a bad lynch. He has failed to do so thus far. So he is a good lynch.

That's a bad reason to lynch. Everybody who lurks is "not showing they're a bad" - and this very much does NOT make them good lynches. It makes them good default lynches if no better options present themselves - but not good lynches.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Out of curiosity, is there anybody who believes Jake is a bad lynch today? Judging from past games, he is often a victim of the mislynch, right? I don't want to defend him, but if he is town, it's an easy lynch to make happen. I don't know...something feels very amiss. Am I just paranoid...

I am wanting him to show that he isn't a bad lynch. He has failed to do so thus far. So he is a good lynch.

That's a bad reason to lynch. Everybody who lurks is "not showing they're a bad" - and this very much does NOT make them good lynches. It makes them good default lynches if no better options present themselves - but not good lynches.

I think that is what I was trying to say.