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[faust]

Look, I gave a reasonable account of my Galzria vote.

Fwiw I get more of a scum read off Faust for calling Chairs town (something scum can do safely enough about anyone at any point) than I do about gkrieg calling "the" mafia team. It's all RVS though so I put no weight in any of it really.

Andrew's semantics argument reminds me of my own argument on Reggie D1 of M100, where Reggie was town and I was scum.

Me calling chairs town is not RVS, and I don't like you framing it as such. Combined with the hedgness on Andrew that fails to acknowledge that Andrew's play is fundamentally different from Galzria's, that's enough for me to vote: Galzria

You can tell from the posts by the players that also vote for him that that post is also the reason. In case I need to spell it out in more detail:

1. I called chairs town after he votes for Teproc. I don't think voting for the IC, even jokingly, is a position that scum wants to put themselves in. It's just hard to predict how people will react, but people will react and that might turn you into the default lynch at the end of the day. So I called chairs town. Since he only made that one post, I thought it was pretty obvious why. I don't buy that Galzria is scumreading me for forming town reads really. He played with me in M100 for a long time and knows that this is how I operate.

2. The read on Andrew I think doesn't say much because that's exactly the kind of thing town!Andrew does. It is in fact that kind of attitude that Andrew got lynched for in M100. So Galzria should know better, and he also knows that Andrew is an easy mislynch.

3. Combine with the fact that Galzria posts two scumreads, but doesn't vote for either of them. He's just trying to sow some distrust and see what sticks. As you can see, he later decided that I was the more promising target of the two based on people's reactions.

[faust]

Robz, Teproc, chairs, is you have any further trouble understanding what I just wrote, please let me know.

[faust]

I also think I should definitely get a D1 pass.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I also think I should definitely get a D1 pass.

Hey if faust gets a D1 pass I want a D1 pass!

[AndrewisFTTW]

Hi! Good vote. Well the reasoning could be better, but anyway I like where it ended up.

Can you tell us anything about yourself, maybe most importantly what we should call you? Xx? Raptor? Slayer? xrs? Pick wisely.

More voted the way I did because his accusation seemed shady

I'll go by Xx, I like the sound of it.
Little about myself, this is my first time playing a forum game, so forgive me if I make any mistakes.
things I like:
-long walks in the beach
-watching the sunset
-sarcasm
things I don't like:
-irony
-lists
Any other questions feel free to ask.
[/quote]

Long post with zero content. Scummy.

[Teproc]

No one gets a day 1 pass.

I do like faust's case though.

vote: Galzria

[Teproc]

@Skumpy: The problem with questions is they clutter up the thread and, in the case of PR-related questions, might be revealing of what your role - or lack thereof - is. Feel free to ask them, but if they're easily answered by a look at the mafiascum wiki/the setup, maybe don't.

[faust]

No one gets a day 1 pass.

I do like faust's case though.

vote: Galzria

Okay. Just know that I will be gone from Thursday onward and I will be unable to have any interaction with the game from then until the end of the day.

[faust]

Long post with zero content. Scummy.

Well they did specify that their vote on Galzria was serious, so that's a non-zero content remark. But yeah, it's not a great post.

[Teproc]

Has WIFOM been run this Flavorless ?

[Teproc]

since*

[chairs]

unvote.

I like the faust case. I don't want to drop a vote in case I accidentally end our Day early or something, but fakevote for the moment on Galz, with a real vote when either we're happy with the amount of chatting or I'm confident that I'm not the hammer. Off to work now.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

You would be an L2 vote. Vote count about 10 posts up.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

OK 20 posts up. Lynch all liars.

[chairs]

At work, fine being anything not the hammer atm since I'm not ready for D1 to end.

vote: Galzria.

[faust]

OK 20 posts up. Lynch all liars.

Anything substantial to add?

[Robz888]

Well, I don't like the faust case.

[gkrieg13]

Well, I don't like the faust case.

Why not?

[Robz888]

Well, I don't like the faust case.

Why not?

I don't think Galz is scummy for doing what he is accused of doing.

[faust]

Request prods on: RR and Jake

This game is painfully slow.

[chairs]

Request prods on: RR and Jake

This game is painfully slow.

Given it's a game with a time management theme, there's a bit of delightful irony here.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

OK 20 posts up. Lynch all liars.

Anything substantial to add?

No. If I had anything I would have stated it. Like you said, this game is slow.

RR is a perfectly acceptable place to be voting, in my opinion. Him disappearing since then isn't necessarily telling, but it is interesting.

[gkrieg13]

Fwiw I get more of a scum read off Faust for calling Chairs town (something scum can do safely enough about anyone at any point) than I do about gkrieg calling "the" mafia team. It's all RVS though so I put no weight in any of it really.

Andrew's semantics argument reminds me of my own argument on Reggie D1 of M100, where Reggie was town and I was scum.

Neat, a wagon.

Faust is scum.

vote: faust

Faust started it based on:

1) His dislike of my noting Andrew's scummy behavior. He didn't like that I used myself as an example of scum in the past doing exactly what Andrew was doing here to demonstrate the point.

2) His dislike of calling his second post RVS chatter. Which either it was, or he's making claims "Chairs is town" in his second post (after one Chairs post) that is a far safer statement from scum than town. In my experience town is far less trusting or open d1. Scum tries to get many reads "established" very quickly.

He said the Chairs thing isn't RVS. Hence my vote on him.

I'll have to reread with an eye towards these wagons; kind of surprised to see an early 3-man on Galz, who I think is generally a player you want to keep around since (if my rusty memory serves me right) he's a pretty strong Town player. I'm not sure I've played with scum!Galz, though - is he also that dangerous as scum?

I would argue, and I think agreed with by most who know me, that I'm a far stronger scum player than town player.

Here are all of Galz's posts that have anything game-related.  The first post isn't too good.  He seems to hit the road running, trying to get reads off of stuff in RVS.  For me, the thing that set me off about this post, is that he is projecting his own scum play onto someone else, which is something that scum does IMO.  But the other side is that he doesn't really know how a lot of these players play, so it is reasonable for him to look for his own scum play in other players because he doesn't know his meta.

The second post scummy.  Acknowledging he has a wagon, but kind of brushing it off like it isn't a big deal.

Third post is something on faust.  This is what faust usually does at town.  He puts out town reads really early, and they are often correct. 

The fourth post is fine.  Although I think it is always better to try to improve your town game instead of your scum game because you will spend more of your games as town than as scum!

[Skumpy]

@Teproc - I don't really agree, but I'm just going to drop it at this point since there's nothing more to be accomplished, besides the one unanswered question.

LL, Does Watcher/Tracker get a different result if no visitors/visits than 'No Result'?

As said before, I'm a bad reader - my head will tell me one thing which I know will be wrong based on my luck, which is why I don't really want to be committing to anything yet. In any event, I'm not sure where I stand on the Faust-Galzria beef. Apparently they're playing like they normally do when they're town? I wouldn't be shocked to see them both be town, or even both scum for that matter. In other words, I don't know.

Speaking of which, how much does scum typically like to conspire, especially day 1? Like, do they plan out who's hopping on which wagon, or is it more, "Do whatever, make it happen"? Also, it anybody wants to give their opinion on who here tends to be a very strong town/scum player, that would be appreciated.

I'll just throw down a Vote: RR in the meantime, same reasoning as TWM. If it's absolutely required, I'll join a bigger wagon, but I'm going to wait a few days to see what else happens first.

[Teproc]

In any event, I'm not sure where I stand on the Faust-Galzria beef. Apparently they're playing like they normally do when they're town?

What makes you say that ?