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[Galzria]

Space, was m89 the last normal game in which you were Mafia?

[Galzria]

Iguana, what was your most recent game as Mafia?

[Galzria]

((I'm not planning on rereading for each of you in depth, just want to skim for a better feel of your styles))

[Galzria]

Also, for Iguana:

You pushed against me extensively on d1 & d2 for what I can primarily tell is because you don't care for my playstyle of being loud, active, and present within the ongoing of the game.

What did you actually see of me that was alignment indicative, and how do you feel now?

[SpaceAnemone]

Space, was m89 the last normal game in which you were Mafia?

Yes, it's my only normal game as mafia! The other two were NM8 (which I aced by looking super-newbie-innocent and got MVP for) and NM10 (which LL and I totally tanked for various reasons involving me being stretched too thin, in three games at once (not a good plan!) and me suggesting a crappy plan in N0 when I expected we could talk it through and then the game suddenly starting early before we'd had any chance to talk at all). So all three games were different enough that I don't think I particularly have a scum meta yet. Hopefully you'll be able to pull out something useful, though!

[Dylan32]

For what it is worth, I'm thinking Space has been pretty much the same as their usual town self, but then I haven't seen scum!space, so I guess I should go back and skim those games to get a comparison.  That being said, I would be pretty confident lynching iguana today. 

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana, what was your most recent game as Mafia?

Sherlock mafia (M79) and marvel heroes mafia (M72) are my only scum games.


In both games people put a little pressure on me and I claimed scum because I hate being scum.

This game I have just been a bit on the busier side. I would also prefer to let people make their own opinions about me and many have not even reread so there is not much to say right now.

FWIW, I totally understand why people Dont see why Space is scum. I remember reading one of their scum games and they play it really well. They are doing the same thing here - committing hard to townie looking play while pushing for their own faction's agenda. 

As for me, I think it is relatively easy to just pick the lurker lynch. Probably I could and should have done better.

[iguanaiguana]

Also, for Iguana:

You pushed against me extensively on d1 & d2 for what I can primarily tell is because you don't care for my playstyle of being loud, active, and present within the ongoing of the game.

What did you actually see of me that was alignment indicative, and how do you feel now?

Let's see.


On the scummy side, You pushed a town wagon D1, outed a PR D2, had a very similar reaction as Ash to the Hammer Hero plan. Also a lot of your claimed jailing targets seem pretty bad.

On the towny side, you may have been responsible for a missing NK when you jailed Ash. That's about it.

To me, there's a good chance you are scum. But D3 we did e/Roadrunner, D4 we did Ash, and now I know Space is scum.

I guess if you help me survive the day then I might get around to making a case on you tomorrow!

[Dylan32]

Also, for Iguana:

You pushed against me extensively on d1 & d2 for what I can primarily tell is because you don't care for my playstyle of being loud, active, and present within the ongoing of the game.

What did you actually see of me that was alignment indicative, and how do you feel now?

Let's see.


On the scummy side, You pushed a town wagon D1, outed a PR D2, had a very similar reaction as Ash to the Hammer Hero plan. Also a lot of your claimed jailing targets seem pretty bad.

On the towny side, you may have been responsible for a missing NK when you jailed Ash. That's about it.

To me, there's a good chance you are scum. But D3 we did e/Roadrunner, D4 we did Ash, and now I know Space is scum.

I guess if you help me survive the day then I might get around to making a case on you tomorrow!

This (bolded) is how you make friends in game haha

[Galzria]

Interesting note:

D2 following the mcmc/TWM claims, Ash suggested we just "lynch from the signup sheet" and auto-win for town (btw, I still agree that town was a near-lock had e not stolen the hammer - but that's a discussion for postgame) - at the time the SK was still alive, and Faust had both shots available - although Ash didn't know where the SK (or WW's) were.

If we assume that what he was suggesting gave any hope to mafia, they (and the SK if somehow they decided to work together) needed to control 50% of the town. The player list at that time read as follows (added known alignments):

1.
2. Galzria - Me! (Hint: Town)
3.
4. The_Wine_Merchant - Town
5.
6. Eevee - Town
7. faust
8. LaLight
9. Awaclus - Town
10. SpaceAnemone
11. 2.71828..... - Not Mafia
12.pingpongsam - Town
13. Dylan32
14. RoadRunner
15.iguanaiguana
16. Jimmmmm - Town
17. O
18. AndrewisFTTW - Town
19. Cuzz - Town
20. ashersky - Mafia
21. JaketheBaseballGod22 - Town
22. mcmcsalot - Town
23. sudgy

TWM and mcmc were off limits. So his proposed lynch order went: Me, Eevee, Faust, LaLight, Awaclus, Space.

This definitely gives me a stronger town read on Faust and LaLight, and a slightly stronger town read on Space (although they're a ways down the list).

It also makes me feel especially suspicious of Sudgy (who, until I found and did this had honestly forgotten was still alive and playing), and a little more suspicious of O and Iguana.

[iguanaiguana]

Lol

[iguanaiguana]

That whole giant thing and literally all you said was 'My townreads are based on player signup order.'

[iguanaiguana]

The tragedy being that I signed up as soon as I noticed signup were open...

[Galzria]

Lol

? You disagree? I mean, it doesn't say a whole heck of a lot about you and Space (you're both pretty close to middle off the pack), but I think the rest is certainly notable. I do not believe that Ash would at any point play against his win condition or throw in the towel.

D2 he suggested lynching me and Faust first. (Followed by Eevee and LaLight)
D3 he pushed me and Faust as WW partners (Eevee was now dead).
D4 he "outted" us as his actual partners in his self-hammer post (along with LaLight). - conveniently the top 3 alive on the signup sheet - the first in order he pushed to lynch D2.

That whole giant thing and literally all you said was 'My townreads are based on player signup order.'

No, that whole post said "My reads are based off what a dead scum was pushing as lynch order", which is actually, generally speaking, a pretty good tell usually.

[Galzria]

The tragedy being that I signed up as soon as I noticed signup were open...

When you signed up has no alignment indication. It's as likely the top 5 are Mafia as it is the bottom 5 as it is the middle 5 as it is everybody is spread out.

What IS alignment indicative is a confirmed scum pushing lynches in a particular order.  Not alignment conclusive mind you,  but indicative yes.

[iguanaiguana]

Except instead of his real fake reads, which he purposefully obfuscated, you are using his trollpost about lynching on signup order.

[Galzria]

Except instead of his real fake reads, which he purposefully obfuscated, you are using his trollpost about lynching on signup order.

I believe everything he's said is worth looking at. As he never really gave "his real fake reads, which he purposefully obfuscated" outside of the above, and as it wasn't a one -off troll post but rather something he pushed across multiple days (even d1 he suggested lynching the "first 10 people to get this to a manageable size") I think it's actually valuable analysis of the closest we have to "real fake reads" by Ash.

[iguanaiguana]

Except that the whole thing boils down to 'Loll Don't lynch me I signed up second' and maybe also gives you a crappy pseudo reason to lynch me today.

Try not to grasp at straws so obviously.

[Galzria]

Also, for Iguana:

You pushed against me extensively on d1 & d2 for what I can primarily tell is because you don't care for my playstyle of being loud, active, and present within the ongoing of the game.

What did you actually see of me that was alignment indicative, and how do you feel now?

Let's see.


On the scummy side, You pushed a town wagon D1, outed a PR D2, had a very similar reaction as Ash to the Hammer Hero plan. Also a lot of your claimed jailing targets seem pretty bad.

On the towny side, you may have been responsible for a missing NK when you jailed Ash. That's about it.

To me, there's a good chance you are scum. But D3 we did e/Roadrunner, D4 we did Ash, and now I know Space is scum.

I guess if you help me survive the day then I might get around to making a case on you tomorrow!

Missed this:

On the scummy side, You pushed a town wagon D1, outed a PR D2, had a very similar reaction as Ash to the Hammer Hero plan. Also a lot of your claimed jailing targets seem pretty bad.

Yeah, I mean, me and 22 other people pushed cases on town wagons d1. J Reggie wagon... TWM wagon... mcmc wagon... gosh darn, how scummy of us all! If only we could've all just pushed scum wagons instead!

I outted a PR d3. Good thing I didn't just tell my Mafia buddies at night in our QT otherwise you never would've caught me!

I agreed with Ash about town winning this game with the HH/Hider claim. Still do. I didn't honestly think mcmc would lose at whack-a-mole. If he hadn't the SK would still be dead, as would Ashersky (most likely), and mcmc (and probably TWM?) would still be alive. Add in the two IC's we have and that's a pretty damn good position for us.

What can I say? My jail targets were just horrible. I only jailed confirmed Mafia two out of three nights coming into last night.

[sudgy]

Sorry, I've still had stuff to do, my mom's cousin and his family came yesterday and now one of them broke an arm, and everything's been crazy.  I'll try to do something tonight or tomorrow.

I'm also LA Friday-Saturday.

[faust]

So, these are the people we have:

Awaclus - IC. Let us for completion note the possible ways in which Awaclus can still be scum: 1) He is 1-shot Commuter/Lightning Rod. Only works if Galzria is lying and Awaclus took slot 11 in fact, getting that role. 2) e Bus Drove Awaclus/X N1. Highly unlikely especially considering how Bus Driving rules were updated after N1. Okay, this out of the way, he's voting for O. I mean come on, that's bullshit. O may well be scum, but we need to figure out iguana/Space now. Also last post is ~40 hours ago.
Dylan32 - leaning towards iguana lynch, no vote yet.
RoadRunner7671 - No position on Space v iguana, last post 48 hours ago.
Galzria - here & trying to figure stuff out. VLA later.
Jimmmmm - IC. Promised reread, that was 27 hours ago, no post since.
O - around & pushing iguana
faust - looking to lynch iguana
LaLight - voting Space because of gut. Promised reread, nothing happened. Last post 46 hours ago.
Space & iguana - positions clear here.

Request prods on Awaclus, RR, Jimmmmm, LaLight

[faust]

Forogt sudgy - promised activity, upcoming VLA.

[faust]

I mean come on guys. There is really no reason to stall this out. The deadline is directly after the weekend, so if you could decie on your take on Space/iguana today or tomorrow, that would be much appreciated.

[Awaclus]

I'm not super well-equipped to figure out space vs iguana today or tomorrow.

[LaLight]

Yeah, reread of this game is not like supereasy task