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[pingpongsam]

TWM - Why did you call out Reggie for posting "Serious Vote", when much earlier gkrieg did the exact same thing?

vote: WW, because he is scum, and also hey everyone.

Serious vote: PPS.  Doing a weird amount of defending, that one is.

I saw the vote on me because it was on me. I have no memory of seeing the vote on gkrieg and probably didn't pay very much attention to it. I tend to be someone self-centric. People have criticized me for it, but it tends to work out pretty well for me.

This sounds like TWMese for "rarely am I town so I don't have a well developed town game"

[The_Wine_Merchant]

TWM - Why did you call out Reggie for posting "Serious Vote", when much earlier gkrieg did the exact same thing?

vote: WW, because he is scum, and also hey everyone.

Serious vote: PPS.  Doing a weird amount of defending, that one is.

I saw the vote on me because it was on me. I have no memory of seeing the vote on gkrieg and probably didn't pay very much attention to it. I tend to be someone self-centric. People have criticized me for it, but it tends to work out pretty well for me.

This sounds like TWMese for "rarely am I town so I don't have a well developed town game"

I have been mafia twice. Town three times (one completed game, one game ongoing and this game). I think my town game is pretty developed although it certainly is constantly in flux as I don't think I have found the perfect place yet, and doubt I ever will because I think the game changes too much itself. So obviously I could be better as I have made some dumb mistakes in the past, but my record currently indicates it is pretty good. So I don't think that is a fair thing to put into my mouth for me.

[sudgy]

sudgy has exactly 1 post.

I have four posts.  Five now.  I also explained that I'm really busy.

Anyway, Vote: J Reggie (this will turn into an actual vote when the vote count comes and I see how many votes he has).  I like Galzria's case on him, and I noticed that Reggie only replied to like two of Galzria's points.  That's a great way to make it seem like you've refuted a case when you actually haven't.

I still think TWM is scummy.

Regarding mcmc, I seem to remember him seeming really scummy when he's town and then really towny when he's scum.  However, this was years ago and might have changed.  To anybody who's played with him recently, is this still how he seems?

I gotta go write a lab report now, bye.

[pingpongsam]

So I don't think that is a fair thing to put into my mouth for me.

agreed, seems every game we've played you were scum. More to the point, the self-centric style fits a scum alignment far better than a town one because it is absolutely necessary to create alternate realities and you can only use yourself as the point of origin. Town is forced to assemble a picture from everyone's interactions with their selves being a relatively small piece of the puzzle (albeit a known one). That is, a self-centric approach works better the more information you already have to work with from your point of origin.

[Galzria]

sudgy has exactly 1 post.

I have four posts.  Five now.  I also explained that I'm really busy.

Anyway, Vote: J Reggie (this will turn into an actual vote when the vote count comes and I see how many votes he has).  I like Galzria's case on him, and I noticed that Reggie only replied to like two of Galzria's points.  That's a great way to make it seem like you've refuted a case when you actually haven't.

I still think TWM is scummy.

Regarding mcmc, I seem to remember him seeming really scummy when he's town and then really towny when he's scum.  However, this was years ago and might have changed.  To anybody who's played with him recently, is this still how he seems?

I gotta go write a lab report now, bye.

You're correct on number of posts. And you had a vote out too. Sorry. Not sure why my ctrl-f didn't see them.

[pingpongsam]

Regarding mcmc, I seem to remember him seeming really scummy when he's town and then really towny when he's scum.  However, this was years ago and might have changed.  To anybody who's played with him recently, is this still how he seems?

Yes, it's compounded by the fact that he is active about enlisting help on his crusades. He's like a faust wearing a cheerleader skirt and waving pompoms and armbands with swastikas.

[Galzria]

Regarding mcmc, I seem to remember him seeming really scummy when he's town and then really towny when he's scum.  However, this was years ago and might have changed.  To anybody who's played with him recently, is this still how he seems?

Yes, it's compounded by the fact that he is active about enlisting help on his crusades. He's like a faust wearing a cheerleader skirt and waving pompoms and armbands with swastikas.

Oh the imagery!

[Cuzz]

Can anyone remind me of the efficient way to do postcounts on this forum?

[Cuzz]

Nevermind I got it

[pingpongsam]

Nevermind I got it

Care to share? I've always wondered how people did that.

[Awaclus]

Nevermind I got it

Care to share? I've always wondered how people did that.

Show all the pages, then Ctrl+F.

[sudgy]

Nevermind I got it

Care to share? I've always wondered how people did that.

Show all the pages, then Ctrl+F.

Find something that only shows up once for each of your posts (such as "username: sudgy")

[ashersky]

Having reread most of TWM now, I'm finding him fairly consistent. And I don't think his early speculation about IC/2-Shot Vig is all that off based on his beliefs. To be more clear, based on the following quote (and correct me if I'm wrong), you are suggesting that as town with draft #1 you would've taken IC over 2-shot Vig - not necessarily because IC is the better role, but because it would let town know that scum did not have the 2-shot Vig, as well as making an IC:

Why do you think that it would have prevented town from having an IC? I mean, I get what you're saying, but I'm pretty certain that every town player, given the chance, would've taken 2-Shot Vig over IC. Therefore if scum got a top pick and won slot 1, it would be preventing a town 2-shot Vig, not an IC.

I guess I have a limited expectation on the utility of a 2-shot Vig. I would rather have an IC.

This belief makes his early posts about feeling like it's more likely for scum to have a 2-shot Vig over town based on the lack of IC make more sense. I think it's WRONG, because I think town takes 2-shot Vig over IC every time, so the chances of that role going to scum or town are basically equal. But at least it explains the position and makes his previous posts read much more consistent.

You are interpreting correctly. And to be clear, I wasn't trying to assert that my belief was absolutely correct. But wanted to have a discussion about it before making that declaration.

Isn't it absolutely incorrect given the way 11-13 work?

[Galzria]

Having reread most of TWM now, I'm finding him fairly consistent. And I don't think his early speculation about IC/2-Shot Vig is all that off based on his beliefs. To be more clear, based on the following quote (and correct me if I'm wrong), you are suggesting that as town with draft #1 you would've taken IC over 2-shot Vig - not necessarily because IC is the better role, but because it would let town know that scum did not have the 2-shot Vig, as well as making an IC:

Why do you think that it would have prevented town from having an IC? I mean, I get what you're saying, but I'm pretty certain that every town player, given the chance, would've taken 2-Shot Vig over IC. Therefore if scum got a top pick and won slot 1, it would be preventing a town 2-shot Vig, not an IC.

I guess I have a limited expectation on the utility of a 2-shot Vig. I would rather have an IC.

This belief makes his early posts about feeling like it's more likely for scum to have a 2-shot Vig over town based on the lack of IC make more sense. I think it's WRONG, because I think town takes 2-shot Vig over IC every time, so the chances of that role going to scum or town are basically equal. But at least it explains the position and makes his previous posts read much more consistent.

You are interpreting correctly. And to be clear, I wasn't trying to assert that my belief was absolutely correct. But wanted to have a discussion about it before making that declaration.

Isn't it absolutely incorrect given the way 11-13 work?

That's a good point, and not even something I had considered.

[Galzria]

Nevermind I got it

Care to share? I've always wondered how people did that.

Show all the pages, then Ctrl+F.

Find something that only shows up once for each of your posts (such as "username: sudgy")

I use "Posts: #", it's a unique tag for almost all players.

[pingpongsam]

Nevermind I got it

Care to share? I've always wondered how people did that.

Show all the pages, then Ctrl+F.

Right, okay, that's how I do rereads. I just noticed that FireFox gives a match count, though.

[LaLight]

if there will be no vote count, I'll make one in 30-40 minutes

[SpaceAnemone]

I like what Galzria is doing with J Reggie.

Huh.. I didn't much like it. It seemed clear to me what JR had meant, and the questioning just seemed to be running at cross-purposes. That said, I think the exchange doesn't really leave either of them looking scummy.

I'm struggling with scumreads because the game is so big and players I don't know or can't read are some of the most active.

PPE quite a lot again.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think that has proven to be townie for them actually. For once in my life I don't want to lynch Space!

Wow I think I might have to townread you for a bit.

[LaLight]

or just now

Vote Count 1.LL

LaLight (1): SpaceAnemone
mcmcsalot (2): gkrieg, JaketheBaseballGod22
2.71828 (1): AndrewisFTTW
ashersky (1): iguanaiguana
J Reggie (5): Galzria, 2.7128...., Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant, Eevee
The_Wine_Merchant (4): J Reggie, ashersky, sudgy, mcmcsalot
Awaclus (2): O, LaLight
sudgy (1): faust
O (1): Awaclus
iguanaiguana (1): Cuzz
AndrewisFTTW (1): pingpongsam

Not Voting (3): Calamitas, RoadRunner, Jimmmm

[AndrewisFTTW]

Don't think I ever got an answer from Andrew. Feeling like all I really have to do today is decide if faust and Andrew are town or not. Andrew because he's scary as scum and faust because he is controlling the game upon entrance.

TWM sheeping faust on voting sudgy looks terrible for both of them.

I think if I was scum you would have no problem picking me out, especially now that you have those two scum games to reference. Besides, you correctly picked me out as scum in M97. You give me too much credit.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Having reread most of TWM now, I'm finding him fairly consistent. And I don't think his early speculation about IC/2-Shot Vig is all that off based on his beliefs. To be more clear, based on the following quote (and correct me if I'm wrong), you are suggesting that as town with draft #1 you would've taken IC over 2-shot Vig - not necessarily because IC is the better role, but because it would let town know that scum did not have the 2-shot Vig, as well as making an IC:

Why do you think that it would have prevented town from having an IC? I mean, I get what you're saying, but I'm pretty certain that every town player, given the chance, would've taken 2-Shot Vig over IC. Therefore if scum got a top pick and won slot 1, it would be preventing a town 2-shot Vig, not an IC.

I guess I have a limited expectation on the utility of a 2-shot Vig. I would rather have an IC.

This belief makes his early posts about feeling like it's more likely for scum to have a 2-shot Vig over town based on the lack of IC make more sense. I think it's WRONG, because I think town takes 2-shot Vig over IC every time, so the chances of that role going to scum or town are basically equal. But at least it explains the position and makes his previous posts read much more consistent.

You are interpreting correctly. And to be clear, I wasn't trying to assert that my belief was absolutely correct. But wanted to have a discussion about it before making that declaration.

Isn't it absolutely incorrect given the way 11-13 work?

Hm. You might be right. I was under the impression that the 11-13 slots would be filled with roles from slots that hadn't been chosen. i.e. if IC had been picked then 2-shot vig and Investigation Immune wouldn't be available to fill slots 11-13.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 1.8

LaLight (1): SpaceAnemone,
mcmcsalot (2): gkrieg, JaketheBaseballGod22
2.71828 (1): AndrewisFTTW
ashersky (1): iguanaiguana
J Reggie (5): Galzria, 2.7128...., Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant, Eevee
The_Wine_Merchant (4): J Reggie, ashersky, sudgy, mcmcsalot
Awaclus (2): O, LaLight
sudgy (1): faust
O (1): Awaclus
iguanaiguana (1): Cuzz
AndrewisFTTW (1): pingpongsam

Not Voting (3): Calamitas, RoadRunner, Jimmmm,

With 23 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 1 ends on Tuesday, May 23, at 10:00 AM Forum Time.

[pingpongsam]

Don't think I ever got an answer from Andrew. Feeling like all I really have to do today is decide if faust and Andrew are town or not. Andrew because he's scary as scum and faust because he is controlling the game upon entrance.

TWM sheeping faust on voting sudgy looks terrible for both of them.

I think if I was scum you would have no problem picking me out, especially now that you have those two scum games to reference. Besides, you correctly picked me out as scum in M97. You give me too much credit.

Well, I like that you support my read on you. Please, join me in voting you as well!

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: mcmc

I don't feel the JR wagon, and I prefer mcmc over TWM, partly for the thing about not liking him telling me whether my vote was acceptable, and also because I like the theory/claiming side of the game, so his push against it didn't sit well with me. Oh, and he's got the only possibly-valid pointed-out scumslip in the game so far, unless I missed something more exciting when I was reading.

(Sorry for making your vote count outdated so quickly, LL!)

PPE 4, including a real Robz-provided count...