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[gkrieg13]

I disagree with you about Joseph. When you know it is this kind of setup you read it as scum and Joseph is more like this as town than scum.

I would vote Robz or Jake I think.

So which of the VLA-Robz or the not-all-that-scummy-Jake would you prefer? And do you have a better case on Jake than just he was like this is recent scum games?

Well he has never been like this as town.

[SpaceAnemone]

Where did Andrew go in all this Robz-or-Jake reasoning?

@Dylan and gkrieg, are you both towreading Andrew?

[AndrewisFTTW]

Where did Andrew go in all this Robz-or-Jake reasoning?

@Dylan and gkrieg, are you both towreading Andrew?

Sure, single me out. What about you? Where have you been for this whole Robz/Jake thing? Huh?

I don't want to lynch either of them today. Robz because he's been busy but also because I think he was pretty towny yesterday. I also have a townread on Jake but again, don't know much about him. Dylan you said he's been acting like he has in recent scum games? Which?

I'd go with Space, Joseph, or maybe gkrieg for what I posted earlier about him.

[SpaceAnemone]

What haven't we talked about? D1 we just went around in circles until we realized we were accomplishing nothing. By all means if you think we need to discuss something else about the setup that we haven't touched upon, go for it!

Sorry.. just found this post half-written in another phone tab.

Things I think we should have thought through a bit more include the possible implications of putting so many fake and possibly-real night results out the there, and what this means for being able to catch scum out by forcing them to manufacture fake claims so early (this is one reason I expect scum!Robz would be dead against it), and what happened to gkrieg's follow-the-cop idea that didn't get fully talked about in D1. There's tons of theory stuff, really. I guess I'm too used to having Calamitas or silver or those sorts of people around, since they're usually also quite interested in that sort of speculation.

[gkrieg13]

Where did Andrew go in all this Robz-or-Jake reasoning?

@Dylan and gkrieg, are you both towreading Andrew?

Sure, single me out. What about you? Where have you been for this whole Robz/Jake thing? Huh?

I don't want to lynch either of them today. Robz because he's been busy but also because I think he was pretty towny yesterday. I also have a townread on Jake but again, don't know much about him. Dylan you said he's been acting like he has in recent scum games? Which?

I'd go with Space, Joseph, or maybe gkrieg for what I posted earlier about him.

What made Robz townie D1?

[gkrieg13]

Where did Andrew go in all this Robz-or-Jake reasoning?

@Dylan and gkrieg, are you both towreading Andrew?

He is pretty 50/50 for me.  Definitely not townreading, but also not really scum reading.  We have like complete opposite reads though.

[SpaceAnemone]

Where did Andrew go in all this Robz-or-Jake reasoning?

@Dylan and gkrieg, are you both towreading Andrew?

Sure, single me out. What about you? Where have you been for this whole Robz/Jake thing? Huh?

I didn't single you out at all.. I think gkrieg did by forgetting about you. Dylan, gkrieg and I are all townreading each other mostly. Then gkrieg went cold on the idea of a Joseph lynch, because he seems convinced that Joseph's poor pay is more of a town tell for him. However, gkrieg seems to have landed on the Robz-or-Jake thing by PoE while not explicitly having ruled you out... I just wanted to know where you went in gkrieg's thought process.

[AndrewisFTTW]

What haven't we talked about? D1 we just went around in circles until we realized we were accomplishing nothing. By all means if you think we need to discuss something else about the setup that we haven't touched upon, go for it!

Sorry.. just found this post half-written in another phone tab.

Things I think we should have thought through a bit more include the possible implications of putting so many fake and possibly-real night results out the there, and what this means for being able to catch scum out by forcing them to manufacture fake claims so early (this is one reason I expect scum!Robz would be dead against it), and what happened to gkrieg's follow-the-cop idea that didn't get fully talked about in D1. There's tons of theory stuff, really. I guess I'm too used to having Calamitas or silver or those sorts of people around, since they're usually also quite interested in that sort of speculation.

I think if a town PR was confident he caught scum he would say so. I don't think a scum fakeclaim would get them very far. But anyway, if you're so concerned with all of this how come you didn't bring it up D1 instead of now?

Where did Andrew go in all this Robz-or-Jake reasoning?

@Dylan and gkrieg, are you both towreading Andrew?

Sure, single me out. What about you? Where have you been for this whole Robz/Jake thing? Huh?

I don't want to lynch either of them today. Robz because he's been busy but also because I think he was pretty towny yesterday. I also have a townread on Jake but again, don't know much about him. Dylan you said he's been acting like he has in recent scum games? Which?

I'd go with Space, Joseph, or maybe gkrieg for what I posted earlier about him.

What made Robz townie D1?

Not much, but I think he'd be a little more cautious about his vote if he was scum instead of jumping on the wagon willy nilly. What made Robz scummy D1?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Also Joseph's supposed "scum slip" is not one at all. I could find at least 10 posts from almost every player in the game that could be qualified as a scum slip by this one being one. Almost all of D1 the idea of a Rolecop claiming results no one used if in front of saying thee was a rolecop. That's all Jospeh did and yet he is scum because of it??? Besides that there's no reason to have a scum read on him.

[Joseph2302]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

[gkrieg13]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

You are forgetting that I scum read Jake and now the OMGUS is welling up

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

You are forgetting that I scum read Jake and now the OMGUS is welling up

You are forgetting I've had a vote on you for like 5 days now and had a scum read on you even longer. Stop trying to blame this on OMGUS. 

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

Because that would go against what he has been saying and basically garuntee he gets lynched tommorw.

[Dylan32]

@Space I didn't forget about Andrew. I hate that this is going to sound like I'm just mimicing gkrieg, but From my perspective, Andrew has been pretty null, so the odds of hitting scum by lynching him are roughly the same as the random chance of him drawing scum. If my town reads on you and gkrieg are correct, the odds of hitting scum in my list of 3 that I said are much higher than the random chance. So leaving Andrew out is more a numbers thing than a I-don't-think-he's-scum thing.

I'm curious if I were to vote for Jake just how much his confidence that I'm scum would increase. In fact, let's try it. Vote: Jake

[Joseph2302]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

Because that would go against what he has been saying and basically garuntee he gets lynched tommorw.

He said I was town instead of hammering me. Hammering would have been so much easier, as it didn't 100% guarantee his lynch tomorrow

[gkrieg13]

Seeing as PPS's hammer didn't ensure my lynch today means that Joseph's lynch also wouldn't have.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

@Space I didn't forget about Andrew. I hate that this is going to sound like I'm just mimicing gkrieg, but From my perspective, Andrew has been pretty null, so the odds of hitting scum by lynching him are roughly the same as the random chance of him drawing scum. If my town reads on you and gkrieg are correct, the odds of hitting scum in my list of 3 that I said are much higher than the random chance. So leaving Andrew out is more a numbers thing than a I-don't-think-he's-scum thing.

I'm curious if I were to vote for Jake just how much his confidence that I'm scum would increase. In fact, let's try it. Vote: Jake

Not at all

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

Because that would go against what he has been saying and basically garuntee he gets lynched tommorw.

He said I was town instead of hammering me. Hammering would have been so much easier, as it didn't 100% guarantee his lynch tomorrow

Yes that's what I said. It's like if I were to hammer you right now (I won't) despite saying your town. It would basically gaurentee my lynch tommorw. The same is true for gkrieg because he is saying that your town too.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

@Space I didn't forget about Andrew. I hate that this is going to sound like I'm just mimicing gkrieg, but From my perspective, Andrew has been pretty null, so the odds of hitting scum by lynching him are roughly the same as the random chance of him drawing scum. If my town reads on you and gkrieg are correct, the odds of hitting scum in my list of 3 that I said are much higher than the random chance. So leaving Andrew out is more a numbers thing than a I-don't-think-he's-scum thing.

I'm curious if I were to vote for Jake just how much his confidence that I'm scum would increase. In fact, let's try it. Vote: Jake

Not at all

Why would it increase my null to scum read on you

[Dylan32]

Reads list

Super town: Jake
Town: Andrew
Frustrated Town: Joseph
Null due to lack of content: Robz
Null to scum: Dylan
75% sure of scum: SA
95% sure of scum: Gkrieg

Would be willing to lynch any of the last 4

You think Gkrieg is scum?
If he's scum, why didn't he just hammer me?

Because that would go against what he has been saying and basically garuntee he gets lynched tommorw.

He said I was town instead of hammering me. Hammering would have been so much easier, as it didn't 100% guarantee his lynch tomorrow

Yes that's what I said. It's like if I were to hammer you right now (I won't) despite saying your town. It would basically gaurentee my lynch tommorw. The same is true for gkrieg because he is saying that your town too.

No, Joseph means gkrieg had the chance to hammer before he said he townread him, which means gkrieg would not have been inconsistent. Rather than going ahead and hammering, gkrieg chose to tell everyone that he was townreading Joseph.  If gkrieg had townread Joseph BEFORE having the chance to hammer, you would be right.

[Dylan32]

@Space I didn't forget about Andrew. I hate that this is going to sound like I'm just mimicing gkrieg, but From my perspective, Andrew has been pretty null, so the odds of hitting scum by lynching him are roughly the same as the random chance of him drawing scum. If my town reads on you and gkrieg are correct, the odds of hitting scum in my list of 3 that I said are much higher than the random chance. So leaving Andrew out is more a numbers thing than a I-don't-think-he's-scum thing.

I'm curious if I were to vote for Jake just how much his confidence that I'm scum would increase. In fact, let's try it. Vote: Jake

Not at all

Why would it increase my null to scum read on you

Honestly, I was sort of testing to compare you to your earliest games I remember playing with you, where as soon as someone voted for you, you became convinced they were absolutely scum. You didn't do that here, which is a good thing for your quality of play.  That vote really shouldn't have affected your read all that much, so the fact you didn't change "null to scum" to "lynch him now he is for sure scum" says something about your recent improvement.

[Dylan32]

And the main reason I did that was because of you and gkrieg's back and forth about OMGUS.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

And the main reason I did that was because of you and gkrieg's back and forth about OMGUS.

I've noticed that gkrieg likes to say all my votes are OMGUS no matter what so I honestly no longer care if he says they are anymore.

[gkrieg13]

And the main reason I did that was because of you and gkrieg's back and forth about OMGUS.

I've noticed that gkrieg likes to say all my votes are OMGUS no matter what so I honestly no longer care if he says they are anymore.

The only times I have said that, you were scum.