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[AndrewisFTTW]

ummmm just because your not "the biggest scum threat in this game right now" (not sure about this) doesn't mean your not scum.

I'm the person who's one vote away from being lynched right now, thanks specifically to Andrew. He can just about get away with putting me to an unannounced L-1 by claiming this is his careless laid-back game-play and he didn't realise. However leaving me there now that he's admitted he's fully aware that it's L-1, is not good play for town at all unless he actually thinks I'm really a threat. OTOH, if he's scum waiting for a derphammer, it makes much more sense.

Also, I think gkreig's point about your retort not coming from a very towny-seeming place is also accurate.

Oh please, don't be so dramatic. Just because you're at L-1 doesn't guarantee you're going to be lynched although maybe you're regretting the way you guys stumbled into pps's lynch yesterday now, huh? Me leaving my vote on you is neither scummy nor anti-town and it's pretty revealing how defensive you are and how worried you are that you might be lynched.

[Joseph2302]

So, D2:

#286- Space suggested rolecop claim, as people had suggested D2 was a good time for it. Possibly just scum trying to fish for info though.
Gkrieg & I both thought LL was an odd kill- although I posted more thought out thoughts about that now
#299 - scum do know the setup, but they don't know who the rolecop is. It'd be nice not to give scum an easy lynch
Some people then pseudo-claimed some results for last night. Robz didn't want to do it, which I think is possibly a tad scummy. I would have done it had I been paying proper attention at the time.
#320- Andrew notices that the D1 wagon was crap. Yes it was crap, but are you just trying to make yourself look good for not being on it?
#321- No I probably wouldn't NK LL after finding him scummy. Although I can't remember the last time I NKed anyone, so....

So the Space wagon is Robz, Jake, Andrew. Assuming Space is good, there's at least 1 scum there. And I'm kind of tentatively leaning towards Space being good right now.

I like my vote on Andrew for now.

PPE: 2-4

[gkrieg13]

vote: Joseph

[gkrieg13]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

Lol by this definition everyone in the game is scum. I don't know about everyone else but gkrieg seems very scummy to me this game.  Therefore I feel very happy moving my vote there for now. Vote: Gkrieg13

[gkrieg13]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

Lol by this definition everyone in the game is scum. I don't know about everyone else but gkrieg seems very scummy to me this game.  Therefore I feel very happy moving my vote there for now. Vote: Gkrieg13

Why do I seem scummy?  I get what you are saying about the scum slip, but I still think Joseph's was an actual scum slip

[Joseph2302]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

We've literally spent the whole game assuming it exists.
If it doesn't exist, then 50+% of posts here are meaningless

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

Lol by this definition everyone in the game is scum. I don't know about everyone else but gkrieg seems very scummy to me this game.  Therefore I feel very happy moving my vote there for now. Vote: Gkrieg13

Why do I seem scummy?  I get what you are saying about the scum slip, but I still think Joseph's was an actual scum slip

What happened to you can't agree and think something isn't valid.

[Dylan32]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

Lol by this definition everyone in the game is scum. I don't know about everyone else but gkrieg seems very scummy to me this game.  Therefore I feel very happy moving my vote there for now. Vote: Gkrieg13

Why do I seem scummy?  I get what you are saying about the scum slip, but I still think Joseph's was an actual scum slip

What happened to you can't agree and think something isn't valid.

The point was if someone is saying something about your meta/past games, you can't agree with them that "that was the case previously" but then say it isn't valid because "it's not true this game."  That was the argument you made previously that gkrieg criticized. This isn't really that type of argument.  In this post, gkrieg acknowledged that he understands the point you are making, but that says your point doesn't affect the conclusion he made.

[Dylan32]

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

We've literally spent the whole game assuming it exists.
If it doesn't exist, then 50+% of posts here are meaningless

They aren't meaningless, regardless of the rc's presence or lack thereof. We can read the interactions and try to figure out the motivations behind the stances people took.

[SpaceAnemone]

#286- Space suggested rolecop claim, as people had suggested D2 was a good time for it. Possibly just scum trying to fish for info though.

That is not at all what I suggested! I asked whether the consensus was still that we should follow gkrieg's exercise in all claiming results, which is exactly what six of us then went on to do. I've never actually voiced enthusiasm for the rolecop to come out and claim, as far as I can remember.

[Dylan32]

Joseph said the same thing about Space saying the cop should claim in #291, and Space replied to that same thing the same way in #296. Plus, Space's original post that Joseph is referring to isn't even that hard to understand.

vote: Joseph

[SpaceAnemone]

I think I understand what you mean. But it's a moot point anyway since everyone already posted results I think except for Robz, who isn't playing along.

A possible town doctor may find it really helpful to be considering this stuff at exactly this sort of point in the game. And it's now out there for everyone to think about when people claim N2 actions, too. So I think it's far from moot.

Argh... sorry the quoting is broken! Phone posting from bed and don't have the awakeness to fix it :-(

[Dylan32]

Just so we have it for reference, I'm going to do a quick post count, because I reread Andrew a bit and was actually surprised by how much he talked, so I'm going to count everyone.

And away we go (people are in no particular order; posts prior to game start in parenthesis):
Andrew: 65 (1)
gkrieg: 45 (4)
Joseph: 37 (6)
Jake: 31 (1)
Robz: 20 (1)
Space: 47 (1)
Dylan: 25 (1)

My thoughts:
- Andrew has a right to get mad at comments calling him inactive I guess.
- There wasn't as much setup talk as I thought. I guess a lot was LL.
- I was quiet for a pretty large chunk of D1 apparently. Spring break is not the easiest time to be online a lot, as evidenced by my large uptick in posting since returning a few days ago.
- 10 of Joseph's posts have come in the last 9ish hours.  In fairness, 7 of mine have been also.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Just so we have it for reference, I'm going to do a quick post count, because I reread Andrew a bit and was actually surprised by how much he talked, so I'm going to count everyone.

And away we go (people are in no particular order; posts prior to game start in parenthesis):
Andrew: 65 (1)
gkrieg: 45 (4)
Joseph: 37 (6)
Jake: 31 (1)
Robz: 20 (1)
Space: 47 (1)
Dylan: 25 (1)

My thoughts:
- Andrew has a right to get mad at comments calling him inactive I guess.
- There wasn't as much setup talk as I thought. I guess a lot was LL.
- I was quiet for a pretty large chunk of D1 apparently. Spring break is not the easiest time to be online a lot, as evidenced by my large uptick in posting since returning a few days ago.
- 10 of Joseph's posts have come in the last 9ish hours.  In fairness, 7 of mine have been also.

I start posting much more over the next two weeks because I get off for a two week spring break tomorrow. 

Scum slip saying that scum knows the setup but not who the rolecop is. Town doesn't know a rolecop exists

Lol by this definition everyone in the game is scum. I don't know about everyone else but gkrieg seems very scummy to me this game.  Therefore I feel very happy moving my vote there for now. Vote: Gkrieg13

Why do I seem scummy?  I get what you are saying about the scum slip, but I still think Joseph's was an actual scum slip

What happened to you can't agree and think something isn't valid.

The point was if someone is saying something about your meta/past games, you can't agree with them that "that was the case previously" but then say it isn't valid because "it's not true this game."  That was the argument you made previously that gkrieg criticized. This isn't really that type of argument.  In this post, gkrieg acknowledged that he understands the point you are making, but that says your point doesn't affect the conclusion he made.

(Sadly shakes his head) That's the exact same thing just with one having context and the other not. Also just a calling this out now scum is one of gkrieg/space/Dylan. Also can anyone just say why there voting Joseph because I can't see him being scum. All I see with him and Andrew is just frustrated town.

[SpaceAnemone]

- Andrew has a right to get mad at comments calling him inactive I guess.

Sure, he's posted more than anyone, but that doesn't mean we can't be miffed at his attitude :-P

- There wasn't as much setup talk as I thought. I guess a lot was LL.

There was a fair bit coming from gkrieg. And then I've revived some in D2 concerning implications of claims, but I definitely don't feel like it's been talked out to any great extent at all.

- 10 of Joseph's posts have come in the last 9ish hours.  In fairness, 7 of mine have been also.

Post count is less meaningful than usual for Joseph in this game: most of his D1 was total fluff, and even now, he's making the same lack-of-attention errors that he was in D1.

[SpaceAnemone]

Oh please, don't be so dramatic. Just because you're at L-1 doesn't guarantee you're going to be lynched although maybe you're regretting the way you guys stumbled into pps's lynch yesterday now, huh? Me leaving my vote on you is neither scummy nor anti-town and it's pretty revealing how defensive you are and how worried you are that you might be lynched.

Nope, this is me behaving how I think town should behave when there's a nonsense unfounded wagon on them: pointing out errors in bad reasoning coming from scummy people!

[SpaceAnemone]

(Slightly Rushed) Space Count

Space (2): Robz, Andrew
Robz (1): Space
Andrew (1): Joseph
Joseph (2): gkrieg, Dylan
gkrieg (1): Jake

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm about to be VLA till after the deadline.

My vote on Robz isn't useful because he's still VLA himself. I'll vote: Joseph now. I hope to be on at least by phone from the place I'm going, but I'm really not sure how the data coverage will be...

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

- Andrew has a right to get mad at comments calling him inactive I guess.

Sure, he's posted more than anyone, but that doesn't mean we can't be miffed at his attitude :-P
Isn't this true but not valid again??

- There wasn't as much setup talk as I thought. I guess a lot was LL.

There was a fair bit coming from gkrieg. And then I've revived some in D2 concerning implications of claims, but I definitely don't feel like it's been talked out to any great extent at all.

- 10 of Joseph's posts have come in the last 9ish hours.  In fairness, 7 of mine have been also.

Post count is less meaningful than usual for Joseph in this game: most of his D1 was total fluff, and even now, he's making the same lack-of-attention errors that he was in D1.

Why are you voting Joseph??

[AndrewisFTTW]

My thoughts:
- Andrew has a right to get mad at comments calling him inactive I guess.
- There wasn't as much setup talk as I thought. I guess a lot was LL.
- I was quiet for a pretty large chunk of D1 apparently. Spring break is not the easiest time to be online a lot, as evidenced by my large uptick in posting since returning a few days ago.
- 10 of Joseph's posts have come in the last 9ish hours.  In fairness, 7 of mine have been also.

I'm mad?

(Sadly shakes his head) That's the exact same thing just with one having context and the other not. Also just a calling this out now scum is one of gkrieg/space/Dylan. Also can anyone just say why there voting Joseph because I can't see him being scum. All I see with him and Andrew is just frustrated town.

I'm frustrated?

No, I love you all!

[AndrewisFTTW]

- Andrew has a right to get mad at comments calling him inactive I guess.

Sure, he's posted more than anyone, but that doesn't mean we can't be miffed at his attitude :-P

 

- There wasn't as much setup talk as I thought. I guess a lot was LL.

There was a fair bit coming from gkrieg. And then I've revived some in D2 concerning implications of claims, but I definitely don't feel like it's been talked out to any great extent at all.

What haven't we talked about? D1 we just went around in circles until we realized we were accomplishing nothing. By all means if you think we need to discuss something else about the setup that we haven't touched upon, go for it!

- 10 of Joseph's posts have come in the last 9ish hours.  In fairness, 7 of mine have been also.

Post count is less meaningful than usual for Joseph in this game: most of his D1 was total fluff, and even now, he's making the same lack-of-attention errors that he was in D1.

But is that a tell for Joseph?

I'm also sorry for quote fails.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Oh please, don't be so dramatic. Just because you're at L-1 doesn't guarantee you're going to be lynched although maybe you're regretting the way you guys stumbled into pps's lynch yesterday now, huh? Me leaving my vote on you is neither scummy nor anti-town and it's pretty revealing how defensive you are and how worried you are that you might be lynched.

Nope, this is me behaving how I think town should behave when there's a nonsense unfounded wagon on them: pointing out errors in bad reasoning coming from scummy people!

a.k.a. OMGUS.

Everybody plays differently, you can't just put out a blanket statement like "how I'm defending myself is super towny and this is how town does it so obviously I'm town". If you were to say "this is usually how I react to wagons regardless of alignment" I would be more inclined to believe you, especially if someone backed you up.

[gkrieg13]

I'm about to be VLA till after the deadline.

My vote on Robz isn't useful because he's still VLA himself. I'll vote: Joseph now. I hope to be on at least by phone from the place I'm going, but I'm really not sure how the data coverage will be...

Isn't this also unannounced L-1?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm about to be VLA till after the deadline.

My vote on Robz isn't useful because he's still VLA himself. I'll vote: Joseph now. I hope to be on at least by phone from the place I'm going, but I'm really not sure how the data coverage will be...

Isn't this also unannounced L-1?

yeah uhh SA seems very scummy right now. I would be fine with lynching gkrieg or SA.