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[gkrieg13]

Will SA lynch SA? 

Huh? There have only been six posts today not including mine and I'm confused as hell by all of them.

Sorry this was a joke from SA's joke post

[SpaceAnemone]

In fact,

Vote: Joseph

for not paying attention to the setup discussion early D1. Scum knows the setup already, they have no interest in setup discussion.

I feel like Joseph is scummy more because he was so terribly fluffy all through D1, rather than just for ignoring the set-up discussion. I think the only serious thing he did at all was vote for PPS.

Well, he did say that I'm his second-top scumread after PPS, but even that fails to hold together: if he thought PPS and I were scum, why on earth would I be sitting on PPS's wagon right to the end? That would have been some really ultra-serious early-game bussing, if he really thought we could be a scum team.

[gkrieg13]

The only 3 PRs that we would all claim for is rolecop, tracker, and watcher, because those are the only three that really matter.

If I were a rolecop, I would've targeted SA and gotten vanilla,
If I were a tracker, I would've targeted SA and seen nothing,
If I were a watcher, I would've targeted SA and seen nothing.

[SpaceAnemone]

Huh.. I guess gkrieg really wanted to know what I was up to, targeting me with all those shots :-P

If I were a rolecop, I would've targeted Robz and gotten vanilla,
If I were a tracker, I would've targeted Andrew and seen nothing,
If I were a watcher, I would've targeted Dylan and seen no result.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

If I were a rolecop I would have targeted SA and gotten vanilla
If I were a tracker I would have targeted Joseph and seen nothing.
If I were a watcher I would have watched gkrieg and seen nothing.

[Dylan32]

In the interest of actually protecting PR identities, other people need to actually post results that are more than "vanilla" "saw nothing/no result" so in the event someone actually gets a non-vanilla/saw-nothing result, they aren't the only ones sticking out and basically revealing themselves. If everyone does the same thing except the actual PR, this is a self-defeating exercise. I know the plain results are the most likely outcomes, but we do need variety in our claims I would think.

If I were a rolecop, I would have targeted Joseph and gotten jailkeeper.
If I were a tracker, I would have targeted gkrieg and seen him target SA.
If I were a watcher, I would have targeted Robz and seen Jake target him.

[AndrewisFTTW]

In the interest of actually protecting PR identities, other people need to actually post results that are more than "vanilla" "saw nothing/no result" so in the event someone actually gets a non-vanilla/saw-nothing result, they aren't the only ones sticking out and basically revealing themselves. If everyone does the same thing except the actual PR, this is a self-defeating exercise. I know the plain results are the most likely outcomes, but we do need variety in our claims I would think.

^Yep.

If I were a rolecop, I would have targeted Robz and gotten vanilla.
If I were a tracker, I would have targeted SA and seen him target Dylan.
If I were a watcher, I would have targeted Gkrieg and seen nothing.

[Joseph2302]

In fact,

Vote: Joseph

for not paying attention to the setup discussion early D1. Scum knows the setup already, they have no interest in setup discussion.

I feel like Joseph is scummy more because he was so terribly fluffy all through D1, rather than just for ignoring the set-up discussion. I think the only serious thing he did at all was vote for PPS.

Well, he did say that I'm his second-top scumread after PPS, but even that fails to hold together: if he thought PPS and I were scum, why on earth would I be sitting on PPS's wagon right to the end? That would have been some really ultra-serious early-game bussing, if he really thought we could be a scum team.

Because scum do do that.
Vote for their scum partner early, just stay on the wagon and hope to get some town cred for it.

And I was just kind of disengaged D1, but that was because I was busy with lots of things that cropped up IRL

[SpaceAnemone]

Because scum do do that.
Vote for their scum partner early, just stay on the wagon and hope to get some town cred for it.

Okay, it's funny because you're accusing me of being scummy for seeing the wagon through, and Robz has been hinting that he thinks I was too hesitant, though nobody is backing up exactly why that's the case. It's a bit of a no-win scenario. I mean, fair enough, it's a non-win because we lynched a VT, but honestly, I thought thought there was a good chance he was scum.

And I was just kind of disengaged D1, but that was because I was busy with lots of things that cropped up IRL

So, now that you're awake at sensible-o'clock on a Monday morning, would you like to go back and read up the bits you missed D1, and then do the claim exercise with the rest of us?

[SpaceAnemone]

If I were a tracker, I would have targeted SA and seen him target Dylan.

Nope, try again! :-P
(pronoun)

[AndrewisFTTW]

If I were a tracker, I would have targeted SA and seen him target Dylan.

Nope, try again! :-P
(pronoun)

Oh sorry. I said I wouldn't do that again and I did it again! 

[gkrieg13]

Wow, someone needs to breathe life into this game, but that is always true with smaller games.

[Robz888]

In the interest of actually protecting PR identities, other people need to actually post results that are more than "vanilla" "saw nothing/no result" so in the event someone actually gets a non-vanilla/saw-nothing result, they aren't the only ones sticking out and basically revealing themselves. If everyone does the same thing except the actual PR, this is a self-defeating exercise. I know the plain results are the most likely outcomes, but we do need variety in our claims I would think.

If I were a rolecop, I would have targeted Joseph and gotten jailkeeper.
If I were a tracker, I would have targeted gkrieg and seen him target SA.
If I were a watcher, I would have targeted Robz and seen Jake target him.

Which is why this is a silly exercise and I'm not participating in it.

[SpaceAnemone]

I feel like Robz is being really scummy for being so uncooperative and not acting according to the consensus of the town, which is clearly to go through with the claiming exercise. I'm not sure whether that's just frustration at the fact he's going against what most of us agreed, or just that he's being a bit rude about it by describing the plan as "silly", but it makes me feel very bad about him!

Since 5/7 of us had already posted results before he raised any objection to the plan, even though it was first proposed early in D1, I think he's at best unhelpfully disengaged from the game, and at worst he's scum trying to play us to get extra information without saying anything he might possibly be caught out in a lie with, since obviously this makes it really hard for scum to fake-claim later on.

[SpaceAnemone]

In the interest of actually protecting PR identities, other people need to actually post results that are more than "vanilla" "saw nothing/no result" so in the event someone actually gets a non-vanilla/saw-nothing result, they aren't the only ones sticking out and basically revealing themselves. If everyone does the same thing except the actual PR, this is a self-defeating exercise. I know the plain results are the most likely outcomes, but we do need variety in our claims I would think.

I disagree with your analysis here. I think there are pros and cons with claiming non-null results for the PRs you have to fabricate. On the pro side, it makes the game more confusing the puzzle through if there's a lot of claimed activity. On the minus side, you go the other way and make the true results stand out because they're null in a forest of true-result noise! I think we actually want to move along something like the actual expectation of the PR results, maybe upping the hit-rate only slightly to account for people's reads... I mean, how often are anyone's reads really good as a PR on N1 anyway?

Accounting for the fact we lost a VT before going into N1, here's a breakdown for each scenario:

Game 1) No claiming PRs at all.
Game 2) RC has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result, and a 1/6 chance of being RBd.
Game 3) RC has a 4/7 chance of hitting a non-null result, and a 1/3 chance of being RBd.
Game 4) Tracker has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result. No RBing.
Game 5) RC has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result. No RBing.
Game 6) RC has a 1/7 chance of hitting a non-null result (which is the Tracker). No RBing.
Game 6) Watcher has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result. No RBing.
Game 7) Watcher has a 1/7-2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result (depending on ninja).
Game 7) Tracker has a 1/7-2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result (depending on ninja).

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.1


SpaceAnemone (1): Robz888
Joseph2302 (1): AndrewisFTTW

not voting (5): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Dylan32, gkrieg13, SpaceAnemone


With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Saturday, April 1st at 6pm forum time.

[Dylan32]

In the interest of actually protecting PR identities, other people need to actually post results that are more than "vanilla" "saw nothing/no result" so in the event someone actually gets a non-vanilla/saw-nothing result, they aren't the only ones sticking out and basically revealing themselves. If everyone does the same thing except the actual PR, this is a self-defeating exercise. I know the plain results are the most likely outcomes, but we do need variety in our claims I would think.

I disagree with your analysis here. I think there are pros and cons with claiming non-null results for the PRs you have to fabricate. On the pro side, it makes the game more confusing the puzzle through if there's a lot of claimed activity. On the minus side, you go the other way and make the true results stand out because they're null in a forest of true-result noise! I think we actually want to move along something like the actual expectation of the PR results, maybe upping the hit-rate only slightly to account for people's reads... I mean, how often are anyone's reads really good as a PR on N1 anyway?

Accounting for the fact we lost a VT before going into N1, here's a breakdown for each scenario:

Game 1) No claiming PRs at all.
Game 2) RC has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result, and a 1/6 chance of being RBd.
Game 3) RC has a 4/7 chance of hitting a non-null result, and a 1/3 chance of being RBd.
Game 4) Tracker has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result. No RBing.
Game 5) RC has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result. No RBing.
Game 6) RC has a 1/7 chance of hitting a non-null result (which is the Tracker). No RBing.
Game 6) Watcher has a 2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result. No RBing.
Game 7) Watcher has a 1/7-2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result (depending on ninja).
Game 7) Tracker has a 1/7-2/7 chance of hitting a non-null result (depending on ninja).

I see where you are coming from, but if you pay attention to the game state at the time I posted, 3 people had posted and essentially all results were vanilla/null to that point. I said what I said with the hopes that a couple of the remaining people including myself would give more creative results, which in turn would result in roughly an even split of boring vs exciting results (for lack of a better short description). This result would still lean slightly heavy on non-null results, but if one person after my comment went ahead and posted null results, then the proportion would be pretty close to what you are saying.

[Dylan32]

In the interest of actually protecting PR identities, other people need to actually post results that are more than "vanilla" "saw nothing/no result" so in the event someone actually gets a non-vanilla/saw-nothing result, they aren't the only ones sticking out and basically revealing themselves. If everyone does the same thing except the actual PR, this is a self-defeating exercise. I know the plain results are the most likely outcomes, but we do need variety in our claims I would think.

If I were a rolecop, I would have targeted Joseph and gotten jailkeeper.
If I were a tracker, I would have targeted gkrieg and seen him target SA.
If I were a watcher, I would have targeted Robz and seen Jake target him.

Which is why this is a silly exercise and I'm not participating in it.

So I read my post to try to figure out what part of what I said could be used as a justification for not participating period rather than just going along with it, but I don't see it.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I feel like Robz is being really scummy for being so uncooperative and not acting according to the consensus of the town, which is clearly to go through with the claiming exercise. I'm not sure whether that's just frustration at the fact he's going against what most of us agreed, or just that he's being a bit rude about it by describing the plan as "silly", but it makes me feel very bad about him!

Since 5/7 of us had already posted results before he raised any objection to the plan, even though it was first proposed early in D1, I think he's at best unhelpfully disengaged from the game, and at worst he's scum trying to play us to get extra information without saying anything he might possibly be caught out in a lie with, since obviously this makes it really hard for scum to fake-claim later on.

Vote: SA I think this is towny from robz because comeon if you were scum would you really oppose a plan that everyone else like and cast scummynes on your self like this? No you wouldn't. Also this reasoning is silly.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I feel like Robz is being really scummy for being so uncooperative and not acting according to the consensus of the town, which is clearly to go through with the claiming exercise. I'm not sure whether that's just frustration at the fact he's going against what most of us agreed, or just that he's being a bit rude about it by describing the plan as "silly", but it makes me feel very bad about him!

Since 5/7 of us had already posted results before he raised any objection to the plan, even though it was first proposed early in D1, I think he's at best unhelpfully disengaged from the game, and at worst he's scum trying to play us to get extra information without saying anything he might possibly be caught out in a lie with, since obviously this makes it really hard for scum to fake-claim later on.

Vote: SA I think this is towny from robz because comeon if you were scum would you really oppose a plan that everyone else like and cast scummynes on your self like this? No you wouldn't. Also this reasoning is silly.

I agree with Jake about Robz, but I still think it was scummy how completely apathetic he was about the pps wagon. I don't think SA is scummy just for not coming to this conclusion.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Here are the pps votes:

Vote: PPS

This vote from SA is RVS and they never moved it. Then SA eggs on a pps wagon based off of pps's scum "claim":

Also, a few more people should vote PPS just in case he's bluffing about his conviction that PPS is scum this game.

Sure. Vote: PPS

Wagon

Then Robz votes without any substance whatsoever and puts pps to L-1 (including pps's vote):

Vote: PPS

pps unvotes himself which cause Jake to put a vote on him for some reason:

Unvote

?

Scum

Vote: PPS

Then gkrieg hammers.... for some reason:

vote: PPS

Robz's belated reasoning for voting pps:

I did not realize it was L-1 when I voted for PPS.

I support hammering him.

What? But for how why though?

vote: Robz

He is, by his own admission, scum.

Also, this feels like a spontaneous wagon that scum would go "ugh, seriously?" over, rather than a wagon meticulously guided by scum.

Which to me is super weak and feels like "lynch now, logic later". Scummy.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Honestly to me all of these votes are scummy. As scummy as I find Robz's vote, he is the ONLY ONE TO PROVIDE A REASON FOR VOTING PPS. Obviously not everyone on the wagon is scum. So I just want those who are town on the wagon to know that there is nothing about this wagon that was pro-town. It makes it more difficult for us to analyze the wagon and scumhunt and thus could very well lead to more mislynches. But enough berating, although I do hope you all feel bad now.

Out of all of these I find SA's and Joseph's votes to be the scummiest. SA's vote was RVS and they never even commented on pps's "claim" besides joking about it as a reason to join his wagon. So SA pretty much voted randomly, encouraged more random votes, and then just went along with the wagon because hey, as long as they're town it's totally cool if they get lynched right?

Joseph's vote.... uhhhh.... well there's nothing to go off of besides a vote. Also while rereading I found this:

Vote: LaLight
She's a bit scummy

This was before his pps vote obviously. Would Joseph NK LL after supposedly scumreading him?

Vote: SA

[gkrieg13]

vote: Andrew for saying everyone is scum based on the PPS wagon

[AndrewisFTTW]

vote: Andrew for saying everyone is scum based on the PPS wagon

Pfffttt. Please. I didn't say everyone was scum, I said all the votes were scummy.

[gkrieg13]

I could actually see Jake as scum here.