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[Robz888]

intent to hammer

Send us home, LL!

[AndrewisFTTW]

I did not realize it was L-1 when I voted for PPS.

I support hammering him.

What? But for how why though?

vote: Robz

Sorry but I thought you wanted to lynch PPS??? Also can you vote back PPS please?

I was never voting pps.

[AndrewisFTTW]

You guys really want to hammer right this second? This game has been going for like 2 days.

we should just get D1 out of the way asap and if PPS wants to volunteer to end it then he can go ahead and do it.

How much information do you think PPS's flip will give us now, compared to letting D1 run its course more completely and generating a bunch more interactions between players who may or may not then get flipped later?

How likely do you think it is that he'll flip scum if someone hammers now?

How likely do you think it is that he'll flip scum if someone hammers later? (I am not condoning a hammer right now)

So Space is simultaneously voting for PPS but also scared about PPS actually getting lynched. Scummy.

Indeed.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: PPS

[Joseph2302]

So Space is simultaneously voting for PPS but also scared about PPS actually getting lynched. Scummy.

Indeed.
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Space is #2 on my scum list. With PPS being #1

[Joseph2302]

So Space is simultaneously voting for PPS but also scared about PPS actually getting lynched. Scummy.

Space is #2 on my scum list. With PPS being #1

[LaLight]

Nothing happened, schadd. Nothing happened.

[Robz888]

Vote: PPS

Joseph was already voting for PPS.

[Robz888]

Nothing happened, schadd. Nothing happened.

What are you doing?

[LaLight]

Joseph, you tricked schadd! Good one.

I am not hammering before claim.

[LaLight]

Nothing happened, schadd. Nothing happened.

What are you doing?

Schadd locked the thread for a couple of minutes

[schadd]

i put "thread locked" after 255, then deleted it. for clarity & stuff

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Joseph, you tricked schadd! Good one.

I am not hammering before claim.

He did. He claimed scum

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

i put "thread locked" after 255, then deleted it. for clarity & stuff

GG everybody good game Joseph wins MVP and the game 

[pingpongsam]

I hope you guys got what you needed out of flipping me without doing any scumhunting whatsoever.

[LaLight]

I hope you guys got what you needed out of flipping me without doing any scumhunting whatsoever.

You scum?

[pingpongsam]

I hope you guys got what you needed out of flipping me without doing any scumhunting whatsoever.

You scum?

As if you would believe any answer other than yes. I mean, you don't really even believe yes, do you? Not if you're smart, you don't.

[Dylan32]

I believe my vote should be on Joseph in the most recent vote count.

History of the pps wagon.
- Starts with a Space rvs vote on pps, who then claims scum and self votes.
- It is basically ignored by everyone else for roughly 140ish posts of setup talk.
- Joseph quotes Space's request that more people vote pps and says in effect, "sure I can do that." (paraphrased)
- A bit later Robz joins the wagon with no explanation and without realizing it is L-1.
- Jake points out the L-1 and says he doesn't really want to hammer.
- LL would hammer but not this early in the day.
- There are a few posts that boil down to Andrew asking Jake why he didn't want to hammer, and Jake flips with the explanation that he dislikes D1 so he is now willing to hammer at 12:00 forum time.
- SA wants to wait for Robz to answer a question about whether or not he realized it was L-1, so Jake agrees to wait until Robz comments to hammer.
- Joseph wouldn't mind a hammer, but thinks it might be a tad early for it.
- pps unvotes
- Andrew calls the unvote scummy, does not vote.
- gkrieg says "Scum partner didn't save you?"
- Space: "Or he's trying to save his partner from talking about why he'd put him at L-1?"
- Jake thinks the unvote is scummy and votes. (L-1)
- LL and Joseph both declare intent to hammer, but wait, Joseph is already on wagon.
- Andrew asks if they are sure they want to hammer right now as the game has only been going on 2--actually 3--days.
- Not sure how to describe this:

You guys really want to hammer right this second? This game has been going for like 2 days.

we should just get D1 out of the way asap and if PPS wants to volunteer to end it then he can go ahead and do it.

- Robz did not realize it was L-1 and does support a hammer.
- Andrew votes Robz.
- Robz pushes for someone to hammer.
- Joseph votes and fakes out the mod.
- LL won't hammer until claim.
- Jake says he already claimed scum.
- PPS says that smart people wouldn't actually believe he was scum.
- I posted this.

Consistently supports wagon: Robz, Joseph.
Supports wagon but not this early or prior to some condition: LaLight
Against wagon but eventually strongly supports wagon: Jake.
Hedgy (leans against wagon): Andrew
Hedgy (leans towards wagon): Space
No real stance at all: gkrieg
Probably regrets decisions (a little bit at least): pps

If you disagree with your placement, say so; but this is how I would evaluate people based off how I read it.

So to the vets in this game, both on and off wagon, my question is this: how likely is pps to actually try a gambit like this as scum?

[AndrewisFTTW]

I'm not against the wagon I'm against lynching today. And I don't see any "gambit". I see pps making a joke and a bunch of people eagerly trying to lynch him for it for some reason. What that says about his alignment, I don't know.

[Dylan32]

I'm not against the wagon I'm against lynching today. And I don't see any "gambit". I see pps making a joke and a bunch of people eagerly trying to lynch him for it for some reason. What that says about his alignment, I don't know.

Well, if you believe pps to be scum, then this would indeed be a gambit, because this is sort of the kind of thing that is "so scummy that scum would never say it." And so if he is town, it is either a joke or an attempt to find scum by analyzing reactions, which is how I'm trying to use it, but I have the added complication of not knowing if he was doing the same. So we could ideally either find his partner, or find both scum with it.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I'm not against the wagon I'm against lynching today. And I don't see any "gambit". I see pps making a joke and a bunch of people eagerly trying to lynch him for it for some reason. What that says about his alignment, I don't know.

Well, if you believe pps to be scum, then this would indeed be a gambit, because this is sort of the kind of thing that is "so scummy that scum would never say it." And so if he is town, it is either a joke or an attempt to find scum by analyzing reactions, which is how I'm trying to use it, but I have the added complication of not knowing if he was doing the same. So we could ideally either find his partner, or find both scum with it.

I think what you're asking is "who is more likely to make the joke 'I am scum'? Town or scum?" I think the answer is either.

[pingpongsam]

It was never a joke. I do not regret it in the least.
I start every game as town with some sort of ruse to draw attention to generate reactions for study. I mean, really, there's just not much else to do except let scum control the dialog.

[pingpongsam]

The idea that I am scum because I said I am is too hard to ignore and too easy to want to believe as true because actually playing the game is pretty hard.

[schadd]

I believe my vote should be on Joseph in the most recent vote count.

yup

[SpaceAnemone]

Why are people characterising me as not supporting the wagon and being hedgey? I know I've been asking questions of others on the wagon, but that's because I think it's probably attractive for scum to want to be on-wagon by now, and I want to probe people's motives.