Sort of. More specifically: you agreed that scum sent somebody Red to block upper blue. Obviously, someone used a night kill. Maybe the same person or a third wanted to get a secret cop switch. Given the order of those 4, who does what of that stuff?
For RR/iguana, you could have one do red -> nightkill -> block blue A/B and the other going for the Cop switch. Or not. The beautiful thing about Cop switch is you don't actually have to use it, its mere presence is enough, so you can play a WIFOM game there. Another option is to try and get lucky with the lifts.
This is the point I'm trying to make. It's the people at the end who are going to do the scummy stuff because of course their lift and/or action failed - after all, everybody was ahead of them! So hold them accountable, and either make them either prove that they know some of what transpired ahead of them or make them take a guess. As for the WIFOM nature of the cop switch, maybe later in the game. But for D2, if a cop reports a scum, I'm going to assume that either the cop is lying scum or that town actually found a scum. If I'm wrong 2/13 times when the cop switch actually was effective, then I lose 2/13 games. So be it.
Ok. Look.
I know with 100% certainty, mod-confirmed, that Blue A&B was disabled. I went blue to visit faust, but but failed. I planed this before faust made us claim WV targets, see here
maybe we should stop the theory talk, otherwise an angry faust might pay you a visit. Get it? Ok it's a bad pun...
Observe that a) this already proves that the narrative faust just made up is false
A scum team like that has silver in 5, which is the ideal position - not bound to any plan, but you have a rough idea of what all the players ahead of you are going to do. silver would definitely try to reach the lower deck. Central lift is blocked phase 1 and possibly phase 2 (due to theorel). Red and blue lifts are blocked phase 2. So ideally you go red/blue -> action -> lift. It's very unlikely for town!silver to be blocked out of using any actions, so it would be scummy to claim that, so he probably tries the most "pro-town" thing and uses red Cop.
And b) it gives scum a lot of incentive to block blue A&B since faust was expected to be visited.
And faust's attack on me is so ridiculous that I have a hard time seeing it come from town. The idea that I am not capable of forgetting such a setup detail is RIDICULOUS. You've all known me for years. I mess up and forget details ALL THE TIME, and if one person has experienced that first hand, it's faust.
Also what evidence do we actually have that he's town? Like, none?
First off, let me say: This is going to come off as me defending faust against you. It's not. I'd say faust is scum much sooner than I'd say you were. But there is stuff here I would disagree with
1) Capitalizing the whole deal with upper blue. That upper blue was disabled shouldn't be a shock. Again: if scum has 12 actions to burn, 3 can be easily spared on moving Red and 2 C actions. If nobody had threatened to WV a scum, then scum still doesn't want people making successful visits to allow townsfolk to guarantee people are safe.
2) The faust narrative against you. That was me telling to him to make a narrative. I said I could see most of his list being scum. 'Most', because I think it was a bad choice to include you in it. Please don't be ssscum.
Also, I've known you for like a spaceday and a half. Just sayin'
I don't know what's most important to claim now - I might if I had some sort of secret I want to hang on to, but I don't because everybody knows what I did. I don't see a big problem with Red/Blue/Lift claims. I do think Trackers should keep their cards as close to the vest for as long as possible.
I still am quite sure there was scum among theory talkers D1
And let's also talk about how idiotic this point is. Do you believe scum went into N0 strategizing things like "oh, we have to make sure to have at least one of us talk about setup a lot, because that will get us town cred." and later "oh no LaLight found us out"
Faust and me talked a lot about setup because we always do if the setup is logically interesting. Saying there is scum among the setup talkers has as much merit as saying there is scum among the first 3 fibonacci numbers in the signup order. It means nothing. It's only trivially likely based on probability.
I mean, you just voted faust, so...
Here's the thing: the reason why I actually agree with LaLight even though I am one of the incriminants is not that people who don't normally talk about setup are now talking about setup. It's that if none of the 4 scum were among the talkers, I find it strange that all 4 of them would be content to sit back and let 4+ town talk to their heart's content. At the very least, one of them has to at least fake being involved with setup discussion.
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