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[IDontPlayThisGame]

Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?

I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!

This post is scummy to me, BTW.

Why?

As for the Andrew wagon...I'm leaning town on him right now, but I don't think it'd be the worst lynch if we get to the deadline. That said, there's still a decent amount of time before the deadline so we shouldn't rush into this. I haven't decided who I'd rather lynch today.

[Eevee]

Ah, I forgot the deadline is looming tomorrow, rescind my waiting comment.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Ok, I really don't like the Andrew wagon. I could be convinced, but probably not easily. I need to reread how it formed, but I won't have time for the next several hours.

Ok. So this is the post (825) I quoted before. I am interested to see if anyone posted anything that would be convincing as I feel like the jist of the the Andrew case already existed before this post, or if Dylan reread how it formed, the two things he said he would need to do to vote there.

PPS's big explanation, but post vote post is 833.

My analysis (850 onward) of whether Andrew's partners (if they exists) are bussing or hanging back. But that isn't really indicative of Andrew himself.

By861 Dylan is still strongly reading Andrew has town. Which, by the way Eevee gives him town credit for.

And then 9191 Dylan stated intent to hammer.

So yeah. I don't like this about face at all. Neither of the two things happened. Dylan didn't look back at how the wagon was formed (or at least didn't publicly give thoughts, which amounts to the same thing in a game like this) and no one appeared to give a really strong case on Andrew that hadn't already existed before.

Also, again note, that mcmc gives scum credit here (908).

His change makes me much more nervous about the Andrew wagon that I was previously.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?

I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!

This post is scummy to me, BTW.

Why?

As for the Andrew wagon...I'm leaning town on him right now, but I don't think it'd be the worst lynch if we get to the deadline. That said, there's still a decent amount of time before the deadline so we shouldn't rush into this. I haven't decided who I'd rather lynch today.

What do you think about WW?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

But maybe mcmc is right and they are just scum partners. So I guess I want to stay on the Andrew wagon? That Dylan is willing to vote for him doesn't change him being scummy, it just means I don't feel as confident about it as I should?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Andrew sounds like scum resigned to being lynched to me. Town would claim, why not? Anyone by chance have exceptional memory and remember andrew being in this situation before?

I think we should lynch andrew, but maybe give idptg, robz (!! i second we need him replaced or more engaged) and pps more time to re-emerge first (especially because more time = more time for my internet situation to improve). Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts. I can totally sympathize with the frustration of taking the time to formulate long posts and having people not comment on them. mcmc has just been so much townier than you!

This post is scummy to me, BTW.

Why?

As for the Andrew wagon...I'm leaning town on him right now, but I don't think it'd be the worst lynch if we get to the deadline. That said, there's still a decent amount of time before the deadline so we shouldn't rush into this. I haven't decided who I'd rather lynch today.

What do you think about WW?

Leaning scum. Pps claims WW is within both of his metas but I don't know how much stock to put in that. Probably not much. I think I prefer an Eevee vote.

[Witherweaver]

Going to Unvote for the time being.

Is deadline coming up like .. soon?  The last vote count says Monday the 21st, but the 21st is a Tuesday.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Going to Unvote for the time being.

Is deadline coming up like .. soon?  The last vote count says Monday the 21st, but the 21st is a Tuesday.

Monday the (21-1)th

[Witherweaver]

So in three under three hours?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

So in three under three hours?

Yes

[mcmcsalot]

Guys deadline is in 2 hours and 43 min! I am in bed and will put my vote on andrew or dylan. I would still rather dylan over andrew. I will go back to dylan if others will.

[Witherweaver]

Reading, will place my vote within the next probably hour.

[schadd]

Reading, will place my vote within the next probably hour.

[Witherweaver]

For reference regarding Dylan/Andrew, this is Andrew's reread of Dylan on Day 2:

Ok Dylan first. Here are his last posts before the lynch yesterday:

I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.

I don't understand this statement.

I won't speak for Robz but to me this means we don't need a lynch so much as we need to see where people position on ever growing wagons. I mean the ones that go to lynch are going to be most informative but as people vote on and off wagons we get information, especially in retrospect.

Yeah this is how I took it also.

And lol TWM. Early I try to post little bits of reads so people know where I stand unless I see something I think is really strong evidence. Then I will post a lot more. More often than not, I'm incorrect about whatever conclusion I come to when that happens though, sadly (i.e. schadd circa squid girl, gkrieg circa stranger things). The only thing I think I've actually gotten right recently was protecting gkrieg as the bodyguard in squid girl mafia. Nailed it. not that it helped much...

Mcmc. If the DAMA still stands, are you scum?

(Not sure what DAMA is)

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

This makes me think he's town. I know other people (WW and mcmc... as usual) were a little suspicious of this:

So i'm 99% sure Dylan was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

I do not like this post.

He actually meant this:

This one:

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

And then:

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

Dylan, would you like to explain this?

I would actually like to know how you(dylan) came to think this as well.

Again, I think this is pretty damn towny to me. Though I could see it as new scum grasping at straws to find a case (or bus his partner).

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Guys deadline is in 2 hours and 43 min! I am in bed and will put my vote on andrew or dylan. I would still rather dylan over andrew. I will go back to dylan if others will.

I guess I could go Dylan?

Vote: Dylan

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Guys deadline is in 2 hours and 43 min! I am in bed and will put my vote on andrew or dylan. I would still rather dylan over andrew. I will go back to dylan if others will.

Where is your brother!?

[Witherweaver]

Also of note.  There was talk of lynching off wagon, which is Dylan, TWM, IDPTG.  Andrew reads all three and comes up with Town (Dylan), Null (IDPTG), and scum (TWM).

vote: TWM

My biggest scumread of the three.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Also of note.  There was talk of lynching off wagon, which is Dylan, TWM, IDPTG.  Andrew reads all three and comes up with Town (Dylan), Null (IDPTG), and scum (TWM).

vote: TWM

My biggest scumread of the three.

What's your point?

[schadd]

would do dylan.

Lynch away.

In a way, this makes me actually want to hammer, because it seems like scum resigned to their fate. But I also know scum usually fight harder against their lynch... AH WIFOM. But I would have to lean scummy for it though.

Yeah, I have generally thought your posts about mcmc have made sense and not generated near the reaction I would have liked to
see. But either way this would be an informative lynch I think, so...

Intent to hammer.

this looks like a way more contrived and self-conscious mirror of

I'll go back to vote: schadd. With awaclus leaving the wagon and Jake joining it, somehow I feel a bit better about it.  My gut feeling is that showing your previous scum defense and saying this is the game you'll look to in the future as scum is a gambit you would absolutely pull as scum.

I don't know. It was pretty time prohibitive to find your actual defense in the mafiascum game because of the 100+ pages in that game...  Like I said, this is kind of just a gut feeling thing. I would much rather have something concrete to go off.  In addition, after looking back at mcmc, I just don't see as much of a scum narrative as I see for you.  It's pretty weak, but it's just enough to support my gut, so I'm going with it.

but that's like an post, at present i don't remember much else from him

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Where I think we are at:

Eevee (1): schadd
Dylan32 (2): Robz888, TWM
AndrewisFTTW (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, mcmcsalot
Witherweaver (2): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame, WW



Can we even get a Dylan lynch? I feel like we might have to default into an Andrew.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

an post

Why? Why do you do this?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Where I think we are at:

Eevee (1): schadd
Dylan32 (2): Robz888, TWM
AndrewisFTTW (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, mcmcsalot
Witherweaver (2): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame, WW



Can we even get a Dylan lynch? I feel like we might have to default into an Andrew.

I don't see why we couldn't get a Dylan lynch. We have the people.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Where I think we are at:

Eevee (1): schadd
Dylan32 (2): Robz888, TWM
AndrewisFTTW (3): pingpongsam, Eevee, mcmcsalot
Witherweaver (2): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame, WW



Can we even get a Dylan lynch? I feel like we might have to default into an Andrew.

I don't see why we couldn't get a Dylan lynch. We have the people.

We have the peeps. But will they vote for Dylan?

[mcmcsalot]

Schadd, me, idp, ww, twm is 5, robz is on dylan and pps is on andrew so we can do either.

I'm dylan > andrew

[Witherweaver]

I'll vote for Dylan, but I prefer Andrew.