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[ashersky]

Similarities to Squid mcmc abound, btw.  And that reads list was whack.  I think he's doing the "big forceful presence early for towncred so when I inevitably slip into my normal scumlurkmcmc I can slide by as usual" thing he loves as scum.

vote: mcmc is good here.

[Robz888]

Similarities to Squid mcmc abound, btw.  And that reads list was whack.  I think he's doing the "big forceful presence early for towncred so when I inevitably slip into my normal scumlurkmcmc I can slide by as usual" thing he loves as scum.

vote: mcmc is good here.

Also noticed this. Vote: Mcmcsalot

We won't get fooled again

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.3

IDontPlayThisGame (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3+1): Dylan32, AndrewisFTTW, ashersky, Robz888
Eevee (2): schadd, Joseph2302
The_Wine_Merchant (1): pingpongsam
Joseph2302 (1): Eevee

Not Voting (2): The_Wine_Merchant, IDontPlayThisGame

With 13-1 alive, it takes 5+2 to lynch. Day 1 ends Saturday, Mar. 13-2 at 8+1pm forum time.

[schadd]

i see where people are coming from with mcmc, as the guy that got the business end of the commanding early game presence, but he seems more like a person this game

[mcmcsalot]

Yea I'm pretty happy going back to vote:ash

I love that I am getting votes for being "a big forceful presence early for town" and for someone agreeing with me but thinking I'm "trying really hard to make a case not based on much".

This comes down to scum!mcmc just won two games and he was an active presence in both those games so I'm scared everything mcmc is doing just looks pro town and is really a scum ploy.

You can think that if you want but both those games started with me not engaging everyone early on but rather tunneling into one or two actions that I considered "anti-town" and dragging the otherwise quite town into a single discussion for the whole day, limiting interactions. Today I vocalized concern with jokes but moved past that in favor of asking ww a game related question which provided us with discussion as well as prompted question toward the other players and tried to stimulate as many reads as I can.

Also as much as my reads list has been called "whack" I think people are trying to say my reads list is strange compared to how games and reads usually develop, which I think means my reads are based more on actually current game related things and not people's  overall helpful/unhelpful meta.

[mcmcsalot]

Similarities to Squid mcmc abound, btw.  And that reads list was whack.  I think he's doing the "big forceful presence early for towncred so when I inevitably slip into my normal scumlurkmcmc I can slide by as usual" thing he loves as scum.

vote: mcmc is good here.

Also noticed this. Vote: Mcmcsalot

We won't get fooled again

So ash is saying I am similar to squid girl and you agree, but in squid girl I believe you said I looked very similar to town!mcmc in literature mafia. Maybe mcmc is just good at being scum and knows how to catch town mistakes and push semi legitimate cases making d1 mcmc really hard to read. Maybe you can't be lazy and go "oh this person playing like they normally do lets lynch him".

Be better people

[Eevee]

I didn't follow squid, but I think mcmc is looking towny here. Putting in a lot of effort day 1 for being scum.

[ashersky]

Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum.  Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.

Also, nice OMGUS reaction there.

Also, way to be extremely self-aware of your scum play -- so much do that you had plenty of counter examples preloaded in the chamber to fire as soon as someone pointed it out.

This is scum!mcmc simultaneously happy to have rolled scum again while needing to shrug off his recent tells -- and struggling to do so.

[Dylan32]

So I just went through and caught up on the last 4 pages, and got towards the end as the mcmc wagon started forming and was thinking, "Yeah I like this wagon." Then I hit the vote count and realized my vote was leftover there from RVS. So that is where my vote came from, but I'm leaving it there intentionally now.

[Dylan32]

Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.

I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.

Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.

Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"

I'm known for making it to LyLo as town, not scum.  I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.

Wasn't stranger things to LyLo if it hadn't been mod ended? and you were scum there.

[Dylan32]

Yea I'm pretty happy going back to vote:ash

I love that I am getting votes for being "a big forceful presence early for town" and for someone agreeing with me but thinking I'm "trying really hard to make a case not based on much".

This comes down to scum!mcmc just won two games and he was an active presence in both those games so I'm scared everything mcmc is doing just looks pro town and is really a scum ploy.

You can think that if you want but both those games started with me not engaging everyone early on but rather tunneling into one or two actions that I considered "anti-town" and dragging the otherwise quite town into a single discussion for the whole day, limiting interactions. Today I vocalized concern with jokes but moved past that in favor of asking ww a game related question which provided us with discussion as well as prompted question toward the other players and tried to stimulate as many reads as I can.

Also as much as my reads list has been called "whack" I think people are trying to say my reads list is strange compared to how games and reads usually develop, which I think means my reads are based more on actually current game related things and not people's  overall helpful/unhelpful meta.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the sort-of in depth self-aware analysis here.  It does make it seem mentally rehearsed.

For the reads list comment: I don't think there was actually that much in this game for you to have a solid read list like that this early without relying on meta to some degree.  Sure you could probably pick individual quotes from random people, think about it and decide yeah I think this post is scummy, but without the bigger context that develops later in the game, you're probably going to get it wrong more often than right. It's pretty bad to just make up your mind on half the players in the game halfway through D1 unless you have pretty darn good reasons for it, and even that doesn't always work out well. Isn't that right schadd?

[Witherweaver]

Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.

I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.

Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.

Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"

I'm known for making it to LyLo as town, not scum.  I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.

Wasn't stranger things to LyLo if it hadn't been mod ended? and you were scum there.

Maybe after the Upside Down attack.

[mcmcsalot]

Mcmc loves being scum, and will always put in more effort when he is scum.  Look at any scum QT with him in it, ever.

Also, nice OMGUS reaction there.

Also, way to be extremely self-aware of your scum play -- so much do that you had plenty of counter examples preloaded in the chamber to fire as soon as someone pointed it out.

This is scum!mcmc simultaneously happy to have rolled scum again while needing to shrug off his recent tells -- and struggling to do so.

Haha mcmc loves being scum...that's  the line I use on robz whenever I want people to start suspecting him for simply playing the game. I actually don't necessarily like playing scum more than town as scum I just get to talk to my teammates so there more interaction.

Yep it's omgus, but it's omgus against a player I already thought was scummy so not quite the same thing.

Being aware of my scum play doesn't make me scummy, it makes me good. And if you want to vote me because your scared I'm scum and will win go ahead but I also caught eevee d1 in the game where I was town recently. Not trying to brag but I'm also a scary town player.

I'm not struggling to shrug off my recent tells, I haven't tunneled and I haven't called people out for being anti town and used that to pivot into a lynch, I've been engaging and inquisitive.

[mcmcsalot]

@dylans comment:

I understand not liking the self aware analysis and can see how it feels rehearsed and that because it is. To emulate my town meta as scum I have to have a good grasp of how I think people view me as town and what I can slightly change about the playstyle to fit my goals for each scum game. So I know how I think people can catch me when I'm scum so when ash says mcmc is acting like scum!mcmc from a recent game I can very quickly and easily explain some differneces.

As for there being too little stuff gone on to make a reads list taking out so many people I just disagree. I actually noticed in my scum games recently that townies have actually named the scum team more often then not when doing simple process of elimination reads and taking out people they had slight town reads on.

[pingpongsam]

So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on. Voting had no effect on TWM, he was notably absent, game stalling, so prodded him.

But I must be the bad guy because hey, look, PPS isn't doing all that stuff he usually does to catalyse a game. Never mind that we're he scum he would definitely be pushing the game much like Vote: mcmc is.

[pingpongsam]

Stupid mobile autocorrect on were.

[pingpongsam]

Btw, I love being scum and unless it's RMM I am pretty meh on being town.

So, I am clearly town this game.

[schadd]

So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on.

ah, cool. but not a fan, sort of like how if you used the roll command to pick somebody would be scummy


the rest is noted.

[pingpongsam]

So I RVS'd using Fibonacci from the player list which none of you geniuses picked up on.

ah, cool. but not a fan, sort of like how if you used the roll command to pick somebody would be scummy


the rest is noted.

Pretty sure the only times I've done that I was town too, so...

[schadd]

well don't do it anymore 3:<

[pingpongsam]

Why are you voting eevee? I thought it was just to see if we could get something going. We got something better over here on mcmc, you should join us.

[pingpongsam]

Is eevee dumb enough to defend his partner? Does scum!eevee defend a wagon deep townie?

Eevee doesn't look like scum today.

[mcmcsalot]

I am at l-2 for making cases and being too active day 1. This is a big mistake to lynch me just because I have been making cases and been active day 1 as scum recently. I think I am playing noticeably different than in any of my recent games.

[Robz888]

I don't actually think we should lynch you, mcmc. But we need informational wagoning.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I am at l-2 for making cases and being too active day 1. This is a big mistake to lynch me just because I have been making cases and been active day 1 as scum recently. I think I am playing noticeably different than in any of my recent games.

It's not about you making a case but HOW you made the case and what it's based on, which isn't much in my opinion. Similar to WW's case on IDPTG. This for example:

The more I think about it, the scummier ash seems. I think it's different than some of the other "may or may not" posts in that it's a semi-open set-up and UB is the only role guaranteed to be in the game. Sure, there's a roll where it isn't, but statistically that's unlikely.

There isn't much to go on so I'm not considering this much of a read but I think it's worth keeping in mind.

feels particularly careful and hedgy.  Note that he doesn't take an "Ash could be scum" type stance until it seems like something that could have support.  (McMc and Joseph have voted for Ash.)  But he doesn't actually vote.  My guess would be if we let this ride out (which I'm not doing, explaining all of this) and there was further impression that voting for Ash was "okay", he would get on the wagon.

I prefer to not explain these things and let them play further (I'm going off little here, more evidence is more better), but you wanted content and not jokes and so there you have it.

seems to me like WW picked IDPTG almost at random and accused him of something that almost everyone has been doing so far which is being indecisive and lacking solid reads, which is understandable considering it's D1. I feel like both mcmc and WW's whole thing just came out of nowhere and like I said earlier feels like two scum having a weird interaction. I'd be down for a mcmc or WW lynch today.