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[schadd]

Seems Donald X. caved to popular demand:

http://riograndegames.com/Game/1312-Dominion-Intrigue-3rd-edition

Thank goodness they found new artwork. The old Scout art was the worst part of the card. Wonder if RR will change his avatar to this or keep the old one?

i wish i had seen this to remind myself how good of a scum player you are

[Witherweaver]

I always get nervous about pushing a lynch on hunches and being wrong, so I let myself get talked out of a lynch, and it always seems to end up onto a mislynch and off of scum.  I didn't want to lynch either Joseph or Dylan but ended up on both. 

[IDontPlayThisGame]

gg wp scum

Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.

[Eevee]

oh unrelated but can you post one time outside of forum games?

i like the suspense.

[schadd]

gg wp scum

Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.

i dunno how to improve as town other than play a bunch and really pay attention/remember what towns/scums are more likely to do (and knowing people individually is really helpful, but recall i was able to be briefly right about robz for reasons largely unrelated to robz himself). it's also helpful to play scum at least once. so uh try to do that

oh unrelated but can you post one time outside of forum games?

i like the suspense.

:((((((((((

[mcmcsalot]

I always get nervous about pushing a lynch on hunches and being wrong, so I let myself get talked out of a lynch, and it always seems to end up onto a mislynch and off of scum.  I didn't want to lynch either Joseph or Dylan but ended up on both.

Yea I was always pretty sure you were town, I just thought you were wrong. I honestly think I was just really cocky and forced town to listen to me.

[schadd]

gg wp scum

Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.

also definitely don't get too wrapped up in setup analysis, especially in 9++s, is something i learned in M86. this game isn't really the place for logic (l0l) and whatever logical energy you do have should probably go into vote count analysis

[mcmcsalot]

gg wp scum

Can anyone give me a few pointers? This...didn't go well for me.

What schadd said. Play a lot, remember how individual people act as town/scum, and then be very very active. Had I still been alive I would not have allowed us to lynch schadd based solely on how much he was posting. No matter how many times we go through it, top posters are almost always town. Me/ww/schadd were pretty confirmed town after days 1 and 2. Andrew/eevee were in the middle of the post pack and twm at the low end.

We used to do post counts by day and compare people's activity in day one to day three ect. I when you don't know what to say start asking people questions.

[schadd]

twm is a bit of a bad example for post count though lma0

[mcmcsalot]

Also I have to look at this again but I'm pretty sure this setup is really bad for town. It is almost never solvable unless you lynch the key scum role, the switch is super super powerful, and at least recently we have had roles like restless spirit(negative town utility), bodyguard(very niche), and governor(very niche). Though it is true we have just gotten unlucky with our universal backup in this setup recently.

[schadd]

restless spirit ain't no negative town utility

[schadd]

the worst thing that happens is it makes an uninformative lynch if you claim it, so the trick is to just not claim it

[Witherweaver]

restless spirit ain't no negative town utility

It is when they hammer the last town for the scum win!

[schadd]

you hammered the last town actually

[schadd]

how do i remember this better than you

[Witherweaver]

you hammered the last town actually

Oh, right.  He enabled it though.

[Robz888]

I hope, though, we have put to bed the idea that "I get why you think I'm scummy" is some kind of scum tell for me. My post that everyone thought was so scummy, when I was saying yeah, I get it guys, I seem like scum.... that was 100% genuine, and I was town.

[schadd]

i think if you look back at it, the only person who actually suggested it's scummy from you is eevee. so, l0l

[Eevee]

guilty.

[Robz888]

Good point.

[Robz888]

you hammered the last town actually

Oh, right.  He enabled it though.

Our Restless Spirit did hammer the last town in Mafia 90, though. I think I agree with mcmc.

[schadd]

omg it's like nobody cares about my nitpicking

[faust]

Also I have to look at this again but I'm pretty sure this setup is really bad for town. It is almost never solvable unless you lynch the key scum role, the switch is super super powerful, and at least recently we have had roles like restless spirit(negative town utility), bodyguard(very niche), and governor(very niche). Though it is true we have just gotten unlucky with our universal backup in this setup recently.

I think it is harder to play for town than standard C9++ or asher++. However, I don't think it is scum-favored once some meta has been established. I just think town in general does not have a very good handle on how to use the PRs yet. Like, it should never ever happen that the Governor gets lynched.

I might end up changing the Mafia Strongman because it's really quite annoying to not have the protective roles take effect. Actually a 1-shot Strongman should suffice.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I might end up changing the Mafia Strongman because it's really quite annoying to not have the protective roles take effect. Actually a 1-shot Strongman should suffice.

I agree. There was basically never a time that we felt using ninja would be better than strongman.

[schadd]

i think it would have been better to use it n2, though it's kind of silly that switching protective roles and using strongman isn't very redundant (but that's mostly because bodyguard isn't very uh good a lot of the time)