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[UmbrageOfSnow]

My main thought is that this game should have some other thread for talking about philosophy and economics and whatnot as related to this game.

Anyway, I think you're mostly right, so regardless of which direction I choose to go, maybe it's more interesting for me to try to help or hurt you in Round 1 of Game 2.

[Dylan32]

Yeah. Interesting that a "Math Games" thread for playing small games on a forum for discussing a card game can spawn such deep philosophical conversations.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Dylan, do you really think the 5 extra points isn't enough to win any extra?  Because  like you said, spreading around might happen more, but most people have 8 to spend total, and will need to commit most of that to one spot?

I honestly think you can win more than one category, and I'd take the risk were I in your position.  I think the person who wins the larger amount of gold should do so next round.

But if the odds are approaching 0, there isn't any benefit to you collaborating with me here.  Other than in the sense that I want to have made an agreement with someone about some thing, and so from my point of view there's a benefit there at least.  But that's not the end of the world if it doesn't matter at all.

[Dylan32]

My thought on it being spread around more was that more people would be going all in on more spots, thereby making smaller bids useless.

[2.71828.....]

I will put all my money on 2 gold, 2 points.

I wouldn't do that of I were you. I already did

Man. You should have claimed. Now we both have nothing. For the record, you dont get to retroactively claim, that's way too easy to abuse.

Yeah, retroactive claiming is bad, and something I should not have done.  Placing me on the board as having put all my money on +1 point is something that you should not have done, because even in the post quoted I explicitly said that I had not done that.

[2.71828.....]

I do like the +2gold/+2points though.  I plan on placing my money there.

[pacovf]

I will put all my money on 2 gold, 2 points.

I wouldn't do that of I were you. I already did

Man. You should have claimed. Now we both have nothing. For the record, you dont get to retroactively claim, that's way too easy to abuse.

Yeah, retroactive claiming is bad, and something I should not have done.  Placing me on the board as having put all my money on +1 point is something that you should not have done, because even in the post quoted I explicitly said that I had not done that.

True, though putting you there or on the "?" wouldn't have changed my bid.

[Dylan32]

UoS, how about this. Having attained the most resources previously, I can take the highest prize one way or another. I will give you a lot of credit for the way you have played this round so far though! I still haven't decided what I am going to do, because your future actions could either cost me more than 5 points, or losing the 5 points now could be worse.  From your perspective, it is possible that following through on your threat later could also cost you some points because having to keep your promise to spite me could make you have to do something that isn't optimal for you.

So I propose this. You concede the 15 points this round and retract your threat, and at some point over the next game or two, at your call, I will do something that actively helps you.  I know it is possible the next game might not present a good chance for this, which is why I'm extending it to 2 games and making it your decision when it happens to maximize the benefit you can get from this. 

This deal is my best option because:

• I get the extra 5 points now.
• I don't have to worry about you working to hinder me later.
• Following through on my promise would build more good will with you and give my word more backing for later deals with everyone.

It is your best option because:

• You for sure get the 10 points now.
• You don't have to worry about sacrificing points to follow through on a threat.
• You and I will have completed a deal built on mutual help and trust rather than threats.
• You get to choose when to call my end of the deal, rather than it happening at the first chance with a tiny benefit.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It's a deal, Dylan.

I mean, that's essentially what I was proposing but reversed.  And I swear I won't contest you on +15, so you can commit just 9 there, although you probably won't believe that, but when I follow through it can go to building trust.

But yeah, I'll cave, I'll take the +10, you owe me one later.  Deal.

[faust]

I will bet 1 gold on 8 random options.

The problem is that with too many players that won't work.

That's true of all strategies.

No.

Explain.

Putting everything on one spot and annoncing this is way more stable with more players. Like, with two players, it's probably better to distribute; with more players, it's better to accumulate.

With enough players, there is no incentive for players to respect the first-come-first-served system.

Not once everything is taken, yes. But then they can only block. I guess with number of players > 2* number of options, things really become random, or you'd have to make deals for the next round, which is hard with the extra gold options.

[faust]

Current claims:

schadd: 7 gold on +5, 1 gold on +10
Calamitas: 8 gold on +3 gold
pacovf: 8 gold on +5
e: 8 gold on +2,+2 gold
UoS/Dylan: somehow contest the +15/+10.

I guess that means I'll put my stuff on +6 gold.

[Calamitas]

Current claims:

schadd: 7 gold on +5, 1 gold on +10
Calamitas: 8 gold on +3 gold
pacovf: 8 gold on +5
e: 8 gold on +2,+2 gold
UoS/Dylan: somehow contest the +15/+10.

I guess that means I'll put my stuff on +6 gold.

Let's switch faust, you got something already :-D

[schadd]

pacovf: 8 gold on +5

oh, i just noticed that.


hey. that's not nice. 

[gkrieg13]

Current claims:

schadd: 7 gold on +5, 1 gold on +10
Calamitas: 8 gold on +3 gold
pacovf: 8 gold on +5
e: 8 gold on +2,+2 gold
UoS/Dylan: somehow contest the +15/+10.

I guess that means I'll put my stuff on +6 gold.

I'm already there with 8

[faust]

Current claims:

schadd: 7 gold on +5, 1 gold on +10
Calamitas: 8 gold on +3 gold
pacovf: 8 gold on +5
e: 8 gold on +2,+2 gold
UoS/Dylan: somehow contest the +15/+10.

I guess that means I'll put my stuff on +6 gold.

I'm already there with 8

There has been no claim from you, so I suppose you'll have to switch.

[faust]

Current claims:

schadd: 7 gold on +5, 1 gold on +10
Calamitas: 8 gold on +3 gold
pacovf: 8 gold on +5
e: 8 gold on +2,+2 gold
UoS/Dylan: somehow contest the +15/+10.

I guess that means I'll put my stuff on +6 gold.

Let's switch faust, you got something already :-D

Would be fine with that... of course, then you will have to argue with gkrieg it seems.

[pacovf]

pacovf: 8 gold on +5

oh, i just noticed that.


hey. that's not nice. 

Wait, when did you claim? I missed it.

[Calamitas]

pacovf: 8 gold on +5

oh, i just noticed that.


hey. that's not nice. 

Wait, when did you claim? I missed it.

he said he would put 7 again on it

[pacovf]

pacovf: 8 gold on +5

oh, i just noticed that.


hey. that's not nice. 

Wait, when did you claim? I missed it.

Mmmmm you got something already? Bid on +3 points? Please?

[gkrieg13]

Current claims:

schadd: 7 gold on +5, 1 gold on +10
Calamitas: 8 gold on +3 gold
pacovf: 8 gold on +5
e: 8 gold on +2,+2 gold
UoS/Dylan: somehow contest the +15/+10.

I guess that means I'll put my stuff on +6 gold.

I'm already there with 8

There has been no claim from you, so I suppose you'll have to switch.

Not switching

[faust]

Your loss then.

[faust]

To clarify, the people who announce their bids do this with a cost, because they are actually accountable for their actions and cannot switch for higher profit without a cost (in credibility). People like gkrieg who try to keep quiet until someone takes what they want from them are certainly more problematic.

[LaLight]

well, erm, posting.

hard to catch up after you guys, haven't had much time for this thread and don't think I will catch up now. I will put 2 on +3, 2 on +2, 2 on +1, 2 on +1. Is it okay? I understand I won't win now, But I wont to be in some top tier I suppose.

Already submitted btw.

[Calamitas]

Your loss then.

Sorry Faust, will not switch with you then. The offer was very nice but I really don't want to have a triple nothing here.

@Umbrage: Why don't you go for the +6gold? That way you make 15 tomorrow which is better than 10 today and tomorrow probably 0.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Your loss then.

Sorry Faust, will not switch with you then. The offer was very nice but I really don't want to have a triple nothing here.

@Umbrage: Why don't you go for the +6gold? That way you make 15 tomorrow which is better than 10 today and tomorrow probably 0.

That's actually a good point, thanks Calamitas.

So why don't you guys fight over the +10 points instead, I'm going to muscle in on the +6 gold.