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[faust]

Whew!

I'm the psychologist. Targeted Robz last night, received no result. How do I even receive no result if we are in 4. 1-shot Commuter, Psychologist, Detective; Mafia Knows Traitor?

I can't find a page for detective in mafiascum, what does the role do?

So let's look at a list of possible counterclaims. The following roles should claim now if they exist:

- the 1-shot BP townie
- the Psychologist (duh)
- the Jailkeeper
- the Goon Cop

Eevee: Detective investigates has killed/hasn't killed, as stated in the setup post.

[faust]

Mafia knows Traitor is good for us; makes wagon analysis way more useful.

[Awaclus]

Back to Vote: Robz for the time being then.

[SpaceAnemone]

Whew!

I'm the psychologist. Targeted Robz last night, received no result. How do I even receive no result if we are in 4. 1-shot Commuter, Psychologist, Detective; Mafia Knows Traitor?

I can't find a page for detective in mafiascum, what does the role do?

Huh, I can't find a page on it either. Is Psychologist the one where you can query a person and get to know if they can kill? But that it gets confused if they actually have performed a kill?

And when you say that you received no result, do you mean that the response you got implies your role was blocked, rather than that Robz doesn't have a killing role?

[SpaceAnemone]

Eevee: Detective investigates has killed/hasn't killed, as stated in the setup post.

Huh.. it's not just Eevee who was having a hard time finding the set-up post info... I looked earlier today (on my phone, where searching is more awkward), and managed not to find the descriptions of psychologist or Detective either.

[faust]

Looking at D1 in the light of "Mafia knows Traitor" (I think Eevee's chances of lying are slim; scum would have claimed another role here).

Starting at the point where gkrieg first posts.

vote: WW for being a traitor

Only mafia can know traitor in some setups... vote: gkrieg

Townie post. Comes 5 minutes after gkrieg's post.

Eevee (assumed town for this reread) is the first to defend gkrieg. That will open the way for scum to support Eevee's argument.

I did not think gkrieg was breadcrumbing traitor, and if he was, maybe he's town and wants to screw with mafia. So this is a total null thing that does not matter.

This is a total scummy thing that does matter.

schadd and Awaclus post without actually saying something about the incident. I rather thnk that scum would feel compelled to comment, so mild town points.

Yeah. gkrieg thing is weird. It doesn't feel scum-weird to me though.

This is not that great.

Spacey is trying to move discussion to Robz' comment on the situation rather than gkrieg himself, which is also scummy.

schadd goes on to defend gkrieg a bit. I don't like.

LaLight then starts his "gkrieg is too scummy to be scum" thing. It's an angle that is kind of difficult to play for scum, but it is still defending gkrieg.

Space does SK-hunting and wonders if gkrieg is the Serial Killer. Which is an idea that scum, knowing that he actually is the Traitor, is somewhat less likely to have.

Robz continues to push away from gkrieg, votes for Spacey and supports LaLight's reasoning. All of that rings alarm bells.

Awaclus also goes for Spacey rather than gkrieg, as does schadd. Okay, I think definite scum among schadd/Awaclus/Robz.

Things are moving away from gkrieg now. That's less interesting. I keep finding myself trying to analyze gkrieg's posting, but well he doesn't know anything.

schadd votes for gkrieg. That's a town thing to do. Scum is just happy that people forgot about gkrieg.

You guys sure are trigger-happy. I would lynch gkrieg, LaLight, Eevee, maybe RR.

Eevee seems beter than LaLight right now. Vote: Eevee

could i maybe convince you to sway over to gkrieg without pointing out any examples of why you should do so?

Also this post is super townie.

Vote Count 1.gkrieg

Eevee (4): Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus, Roadrunner, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (3): Calamitas, schadd, faust
Calamitas (3): SpaceAnemone, Eevee, Robz888
RR (1): LaLight

vote: eevee

That's super, super scummy. Vote: gkreig

RR votes for gkrieg. The reasoning is really bad and it could well be bussing, so I'm not sure if this is town or scum. But he does turn the major wagon from Eevee to gkrieg, so I'm ending up on light town.

scum!gkrieg doesn't make mistakes like that (sorry for the crap assumption, faust)

LaLight continues to defend gkrieg.

Vote: schadd

(at least till I decide whether voting for gkrieg is a strong idea)

I don't feel too good about this.

Unvote
I'll check in later to place a decent vote

Okay earlier gkrieg was "super super scummy", but now it's not a decent vote anymore? This makes RR scummier again.

Vote: gkrieg

Definitely bed time soon, though hopefully I'll check back in a little while, with the possibility of phone-posting when I should be sleeping...

Meanwhile Spacey moves to town territory.

Out of Calamitas and gkrieg, I prefer Calamitas actually. I think it would have been pretty important to claim what role he is so that he could get counterclaimed, but now it's just this magical shield that absolutely prevents us from lynching him with no way to verify anything, which is suspicious.

That's pretty bad. I mean I get the sentiment. But lynching a PR is still bad. Plus, why does Awaclus even explain his reads here?

I'm less excited about gktieg than I was before and I guess I'm a bit more excited about schadd.

I have to go in a few, so I'm gonna vote: Eevee and see what happens.

More scumminess from RR.

I'm here.

Town reads? Scum reads? How long will you be around for?

Want to vote for: Eevee
Maybe: schadd, space, LaLight, gkrieg
No: faust, Awaclus, Robz, Calamitas

gkrieg was right about the Eevee wagon. I've rethought and have a gut feeling about him. That's all I've got.

I will be around til deadline. But may only check in every little while.

That's also not great.

schadd also defends Eevee. schadd is like super town.

In the end, there is movement towards schadd, but it should be clear to everybody that there's not enough people around to lynch. I think scum's only shot at that point was to try and get Eevee lynched. The fact that both LaLight and Ichi did not try that warrants some town points.

PPE: 3

[SpaceAnemone]

Mafia knows Traitor is good for us; makes wagon analysis way more useful.

It's excellent for us, because it's not just the wagons -- the whole thing about gkreig's early traitor hinting was like half of the D1 conversation... and now we know that two of the people commenting there were scums in the know :-)

[faust]

Conclusions:

Awaclus and Robz are scummy, but I think there's only 1 scum among them.

RR is scummy too.

schadd and Spacey are towny, and Eevee is IC until we have a counterclaim.

Leaving Ichi and LaLight, who are sort of middlish with signs in either direction.

[faust]

Vote: RR

[Awaclus]

Plus, why does Awaclus even explain his reads here?[/qote]

That is actually a very good question. Probably shouldn't have done that.

Awaclus and Robz are scummy, but I think there's only 1 scum among them.

It's Robz.

[Awaclus]

>[/qote]

Plus, why does Awaclus even explain his reads here?

That is actually a very good question. Probably shouldn't have done that.

Awaclus and Robz are scummy, but I think there's only 1 scum among them.

It's Robz.

[faust]

Calamitas' death is actually not all that terrible for us because it makes things way clearer, and in the setup we're in having an even number of people alive is not a big asset.

[SpaceAnemone]

Awaclus and Robz are scummy, but I think there's only 1 scum among them.

How confident are you that there is exactly one scum between the two of them? I think it's hard to get a feeling on Robz because he's been VLA so much at the moment.

[faust]

Awaclus and Robz are scummy, but I think there's only 1 scum among them.

How confident are you that there is exactly one scum between the two of them? I think it's hard to get a feeling on Robz because he's been VLA so much at the moment.

Well Robz pushed Awaclus a fair bit during D1, and he's not usually the type for D1 bussing.

[faust]

And now Awaclus is pushing for Robz, which also doesn't sound like a great idea for a scum team consisting of the two of them.

[SpaceAnemone]

And now Awaclus is pushing for Robz, which also doesn't sound like a great idea for a scum team consisting of the two of them.

Okay, you're giving me arguments for "not more than one", but not for "at least one".

[faust]

And now Awaclus is pushing for Robz, which also doesn't sound like a great idea for a scum team consisting of the two of them.

Okay, you're giving me arguments for "not more than one", but not for "at least one".

Well for their scumminess go check my reread.

[Awaclus]

And now Awaclus is pushing for Robz, which also doesn't sound like a great idea for a scum team consisting of the two of them.

I was already pushing him D1 because he was supposed to be Eevee's partner.

[Eevee]

reason for robz?

Didn't think he'd perform the kill if he was scum since he is a common target for power roles, also he is one of the strongest players so information on him would be higher utility.

I didn't realize scum would inherit the jailkeeper, makes sense they'd block one of me and Calamitas and kill the other.


@SA
No result implies either Robz or me was jailed.

[Eevee]

Super agree with faust's reread analysis.

I'm VLA for today for the most part, maybe some sporadic phone checking of the thread because this is very exciting.

Tentatively looking at Robz and Awaclus the hardest, followed by RR.

[Eevee]

I think in these situations the people who realize I'm an IC unless counterclaimed shouldn't probably say anything about it, it could be informative if someone started trying to discredit me. Not a big deal of course.

[Robz888]

Hey guys, sorry to not be around for so long, very big week here in Washington DC, as you know. Will also have limited involvement today, and I have a whole lot of catching up to do. Good job with the gkrieg lynch. Can't believe he actually tried that Traitor gambit.

I still have to re-read, so I'm not actually sure who's an IC and who's not at this point. Sorry! Obviously people not on the wagon are where we should look.

[2.71828.....]

does strongman beat commuter?

I will follow the order of operations posted in the setup when resolving night actions. So yes, strongman occurs before commuter

Order of Operations: (roles listed earlier in parenthesis will be performed simultaneously)
Modifiers (Ninja/Strongman)
Commuter
Blocking (Jailkeeper, Roleblocking)
Protective (Bodyguard, Bulletproof)
Killing
Investigative (Watcher, Psychologist, Detective, Goon Cop)

[faust]

does strongman beat commuter?

I will follow the order of operations posted in the setup when resolving night actions. So yes, strongman occurs before commuter

Order of Operations: (roles listed earlier in parenthesis will be performed simultaneously)
Modifiers (Ninja/Strongman)
Commuter
Blocking (Jailkeeper, Roleblocking)
Protective (Bodyguard, Bulletproof)
Killing
Investigative (Watcher, Psychologist, Detective, Goon Cop)

It's not really a question of "occuring before" IMO. And I am not sure how it makes sense that a modifier is "performed". But I guess that discussion does not belong here.

[SpaceAnemone]

@SA
No result implies either Robz or me was jailed.

Eh? I think a scum goon will have inherited gkrieg's roleblocking when he died, and so RB'd you, surely? We're on row 4 of the setup, so no jailkeeper as I understand it...