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[Joseph2302]

Well gkrieg is townier than EFHW, but I don't really want to lnch either of them today.

I agree.

If you aren't considering RR or Jake either, have you looked at ashersky?

Oh duh. You did a reread on him. ashersky called it fair. I forgot. Can you explain the part about not killing Calamitis?

I'd think ashersky would go for a more experienced player almost all of the time, and he would convince his partners if necessary.

I think so too.
I think if ash/faust/gkrieg are scum, then the normal move would be to kill one of the other vets.
However, we discussed this in NM9 (which faust & gkrieg were in), so maybe scum!faust/gkrieg would remember that conversation and not want to be obvious. Doubt ash would have seen this conversation when we had it.

This does kind of make ash a bit townier for me.

PPE: 5, 6 or 7

[gkrieg13]

Out of the people I would be fine with RR. I kind of want to lynch Faust but don't rally like his wagon.

vote: RR

[Joseph2302]

I'm around, I just really don't know what to say. I've been toying with the idea of making a case on faust, but I just don't know how much substance that would hold.

So you'd rather do nothing instead?
Also I'm convinced enough right now that faust is town.

If we needed the lynch, I'd probably vote for anyone but myself and faust (maybe not Awaclus, as he is an uncontested claimed PR)

PPE: 1

[Joseph2302]

I'm leaning more and more towards wanting to lynch RR. Has he actually contributed meaningfully this game?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Well this is exciting.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I'm leaning more and more towards wanting to lynch RR. Has he actually contributed meaningfully this game?

No. He lied and said he would. And then didn't. Worst thing that happens is we lose a town who does nothing.

[gkrieg13]

I'm around, I just really don't know what to say. I've been toying with the idea of making a case on faust, but I just don't know how much substance that would hold.

So you'd rather do nothing instead?
Also I'm convinced enough right now that faust is town.

If we needed the lynch, I'd probably vote for anyone but myself and faust (maybe not Awaclus, as he is an uncontested claimed PR)

PPE: 1

I will point out that Awaclus is uncontested, but would require another roleblocker out there anyway. So one person out there should believe Awaclus a little bit more than the rest of us. I thought that is why Faust was town reading him.

[EFHW]

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

[Joseph2302]

Happy to lynch: gkrieg, RR, mcmc
Could lynch: ash, TWM, EFHW
Don't want to lynch: Awclus, jake
Won't lynch: me, faust

So to me the options seem like faust, jake or gkrieg.

Just out of curiosity, why am I not in there?

Ugh because before carefully rereading, they were the only people with >1 vote.
You'll be pleased to know that you're on there now.

PPE: 2

[faust]

I'm around, I just really don't know what to say. I've been toying with the idea of making a case on faust, but I just don't know how much substance that would hold.

So you'd rather do nothing instead?
Also I'm convinced enough right now that faust is town.

If we needed the lynch, I'd probably vote for anyone but myself and faust (maybe not Awaclus, as he is an uncontested claimed PR)

PPE: 1

I will point out that Awaclus is uncontested, but would require another roleblocker out there anyway. So one person out there should believe Awaclus a little bit more than the rest of us. I thought that is why Faust was town reading him.

Well, we can test that if it comes down to it. Probably tomorrow we should have a Roleblocker claim. Then we can discuss Awaclus.

[faust]

no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

I'm curious about the causal relation between these two things.

Not that's even true. The case against RR is just a bit older.

[Roadrunner7671]

Not that's even true. The case against RR is just a bit older.

Was it a case or a reread?

[faust]

Not that's even true. The case against RR is just a bit older.

Was it a case or a reread?

I did a reread. Pretty sure TWM and possibly others made cases.

[gkrieg13]

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

So you still want to lynch Jake because he might be my partner?  You are that convinced that I'm scum?

[EFHW]

no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

I'm curious about the causal relation between these two things.

Not that's even true. The case against RR is just a bit older.

If he was acting scummy, someone would have noticed and said something.  TWM did make an argument for an RR/Jake partnership, but he hasn't played any other games with them.  RR is embarrassed because he invited Jake to join us, so he tries to rein Jake in and then gives up.

It would be great to have some more cases.

We should be able to do better than a lurker lynch at the end of Day 2.

[EFHW]

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

So you still want to lynch Jake because he might be my partner?  You are that convinced that I'm scum?

You are my strongest scum read. Given the apparent lack of interest, my second choice is Jake.  He is acting differently and you have been interacting with him more than usual.  People have defended him and tried to lynch him so his flip will be informative. 

[faust]

Classifying RR as "lurker lynch" is extremely misleading.

[Joseph2302]

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

So you still want to lynch Jake because he might be my partner?  You are that convinced that I'm scum?

EFHW, surely if you think gkrieg is scum, and jake is probably gkrieg's partner, is it not better to lynch gkrieg before jake?

[faust]

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

So you still want to lynch Jake because he might be my partner?  You are that convinced that I'm scum?

You are my strongest scum read. Given the apparent lack of interest, my second choice is Jake.  He is acting differently and you have been interacting with him more than usual.  People have defended him and tried to lynch him so his flip will be informative.

I'm confused. Is your argument that scum!gkrieg would openly coach his partner in the game thread?

[EFHW]

Classifying RR as "lurker lynch" is extremely misleading.

I'll take a look at him. The rationale I'm hearing right now is we should lynch him because he is not contributing.  Isn't that a lurker lynch?  No other points are being made.

But Jake is more damaging to town than RR because he posts reads and votes with very little behind them, and unless you are scrupulous about noticing his posts, it's possible to be influenced by those posts inadvertently.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I guess I could go for a EFHW lynch

[EFHW]

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

So you still want to lynch Jake because he might be my partner?  You are that convinced that I'm scum?

EFHW, surely if you think gkrieg is scum, and jake is probably gkrieg's partner, is it not better to lynch gkrieg before jake?

Yes, but I don't think there are enough people willing to vote him.  Just me, you and mcmc.

[faust]

Classifying RR as "lurker lynch" is extremely misleading.

I'll take a look at him. The rationale I'm hearing right now is we should lynch him because he is not contributing.  Isn't that a lurker lynch?  No other points are being made.

But Jake is more damaging to town than RR because he posts reads and votes with very little behind them, and unless you are scrupulous about noticing his posts, it's possible to be influenced by those posts inadvertently.

Well, he is currently lurking. He was already scummy before this started. Also he made a big post about how he will try to play better when he was under pressure and then didn't follow up. So it's pretty likely that that post was just AtE and manipulation. Town!RR would feel compelled to actually do something about this. So even his absence now, is not mere "lurking", but alignment-indicative.

[faust]

I'm out for the night. Wil be around for the deadline.

[Roadrunner7671]

Classifying RR as "lurker lynch" is extremely misleading.

I'll take a look at him. The rationale I'm hearing right now is we should lynch him because he is not contributing.  Isn't that a lurker lynch?  No other points are being made.

But Jake is more damaging to town than RR because he posts reads and votes with very little behind them, and unless you are scrupulous about noticing his posts, it's possible to be influenced by those posts inadvertently.

Well, he is currently lurking. He was already scummy before this started. Also he made a big post about how he will try to play better when he was under pressure and then didn't follow up. So it's pretty likely that that post was just AtE and manipulation. Town!RR would feel compelled to actually do something about this. So even his absence now, is not mere "lurking", but alignment-indicative.

Doing that would be on the same level of saying you're VLA when you're actually not. And I do feel compelled to do something about my bad play, but there's really not much I feel like I can do. I might make one of those big posts like I used to, but anything I think of doing just seems like it won't be very useful.