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[EFHW]

I mean, you are accusing me of doing contrived wagon analysis, when I didn't just do the mcmc wagon, but did all of them.  I just happened to start at the vote count that I felt best reflected the start of the EoD.

Have you posted the other wagon analyses? What about the town points to Jake and ash vs the scum points to me? I'm not saying they are or aren't town, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason here.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I still think lynching one of RR or jake is the way to go. The cases that are being presented on other: gkrieg, EFHW, awaclus just aren't doing it for me.

[gkrieg13]

I mean, you are accusing me of doing contrived wagon analysis, when I didn't just do the mcmc wagon, but did all of them.  I just happened to start at the vote count that I felt best reflected the start of the EoD.

Have you posted the other wagon analyses? What about the town points to Jake and ash vs the scum points to me? I'm not saying they are or aren't town, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason here.

That post is from that point to the end of day. So the wagon analyses are all in that post just not stated very prettily. It wasn't a case on you just a reread

[EFHW]

I still think lynching one of RR or jake is the way to go. The cases that are being presented on other: gkrieg, EFHW, awaclus just aren't doing it for me.

Cases on those two are always going to seem stronger than cases on the rest of us. I guess I'm up for either of them, though.  Which would be more informative?  I'm thinking Jake would be since he has actually said stuff.

[Roadrunner7671]

You're all right. I took a step back from this game and took several minutes to read, and man I'm annoying. A few games ago I was a decent player, not amazing but respectable. But I've made a remarkable transition into a troll type of character. And it's not even Jake's my fault, I'm not blaming him for anything. I just need to play better. I have done literally nothing this game. Nothing at all. Normally I make a halfway bad case or contribute somehow, and I haven't done any of that. I've hardly voted, I haven't contributed anything, and I've even started annoying myself. I don't want to start turning into a bad player just because I like to mess around, but I feel like I might be headed down that path, which totally blows. I don't even really care about being 'quirky' or 'unique,' that'll either come naturally or it won't, and either way I'm fine. But my behavior and my play hasn't been up to any standards or precedents I've set in any past games, so I'm truly sorry. Assuming you guys decide not to lynch me, I'm going to turn this game around. Of course, with finals and everything this is coming at a pretty bad time, but I've dug this hole myself and I need to fix it. Honestly, I don't even know if I've been playing to my Wincon. By 'contributing' all I have, I haven't been doing anything. At all. So I'm sorry to everyone for playing badly, and I'm particularly sorry to TWM for making a garbage first impression. I can't promise any super amazing cases, but I think it's safe for me to promise to start playing better. Thanks for putting up with my crap up until now.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Apology accepted, not that I really think it was necessary, but it was nice you regardless.

I am not going to read anything into the above post as it just reads like a human, not town and not mafia, just sincere. At least I hope it is.

But I feel totally justified maintaining my current read on you and will continue to maintain that read unless I see a valid reason to stop.

[mcmcsalot]

So I am completely caught up, and will post my thoughts in the morning.

[Roadrunner7671]

But I feel totally justified maintaining my current read on you and will continue to maintain that read unless I see a valid reason to stop.

That's fair. Until I actually start contributing (which probably won't be until morning) I don't expect you to change your mind.

[Joseph2302]

I think I've made up my mind on gkrieg and EFHW. Gkrieg is acti-lurking, his case seems weird at it was focused on someone who hasn't done that much, and he thinks Wine is scum?

Vote: gkrieg

[Joseph2302]

Oh and Request: Vote Count because counting is hard

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.5

faust (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Awaclus
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22,
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, Joseph2302

Not voting (1): Roadrunner7671


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Jan. 16th at 12pm forum time

[Joseph2302]

Vote Count 2.5

faust (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Awaclus
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22,
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, Joseph2302

Not voting (1): Roadrunner7671


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Jan. 16th at 12pm forum time

So why are 2 people voting faust?
And why the 2 on Jake? Is that because of the Jake/RR nonsense?
The rest of the votes I can understand. Also, RR please vote, so people actually know what you're thinking.

[faust]

I think I've made up my mind on gkrieg and EFHW. Gkrieg is acti-lurking, his case seems weird at it was focused on someone who hasn't done that much, and he thinks Wine is scum?

Vote: gkrieg

How is gkrieg acti-lurking? Why is it weird to focus on people who don't do much?

[Joseph2302]

I think I've made up my mind on gkrieg and EFHW. Gkrieg is acti-lurking, his case seems weird at it was focused on someone who hasn't done that much, and he thinks Wine is scum?

Vote: gkrieg

How is gkrieg acti-lurking? Why is it weird to focus on people who don't do much?

Because you learn a lot less, because they haven't done as much.
Apart from that one post, I don't remember much other meaningful content.

[Joseph2302]

Request Prod on anyone eligible for Prod

Feels like there's less activity than is optimal

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote Count 2.5

faust (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Awaclus
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22,
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, Joseph2302

Not voting (1): Roadrunner7671


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Jan. 16th at 12pm forum time

So why are 2 people voting faust?
And why the 2 on Jake? Is that because of the Jake/RR nonsense?
The rest of the votes I can understand. Also, RR please vote, so people actually know what you're thinking.

I am voting for who I think is most likely mafia. I was voting for Jake previous to the nonsense, but it certainly added to the reasons to vote for him?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I think I've made up my mind on gkrieg and EFHW. Gkrieg is acti-lurking, his case seems weird at it was focused on someone who hasn't done that much, and he thinks Wine is scum?

Vote: gkrieg

How is gkrieg acti-lurking? Why is it weird to focus on people who don't do much?

Because you learn a lot less, because they haven't done as much.
Apart from that one post, I don't remember much other meaningful content.

People with less content than gkrieg (in total and per post):

Ashersky (explainable due to subbing in and LA)
mcmcsalot
Awaclus
RR and Jake

[ashersky]

I am voting for Faust because I found him scummy on D1 and didn't particularly like his start to D2.

Specifically, I thought his buddying of Robz was scummy.

[gkrieg13]

I think I've made up my mind on gkrieg and EFHW. Gkrieg is acti-lurking, his case seems weird at it was focused on someone who hasn't done that much, and he thinks Wine is scum?

Vote: gkrieg

Once again it was a reread with a vote at the end not a case. And how am I acti-lurking at this point. Now I'm doing rereads, taking stances. I'm much more involved now than many people, as has been pointed out.

[gkrieg13]

I guess I can put together an actual case on EFHW because people just aren't seeing it yet.

[Joseph2302]

I think I've made up my mind on gkrieg and EFHW. Gkrieg is acti-lurking, his case seems weird at it was focused on someone who hasn't done that much, and he thinks Wine is scum?

Vote: gkrieg

How is gkrieg acti-lurking? Why is it weird to focus on people who don't do much?

Because you learn a lot less, because they haven't done as much.
Apart from that one post, I don't remember much other meaningful content.

People with less content than gkrieg (in total and per post):

Ashersky (explainable due to subbing in and LA)
mcmcsalot
Awaclus
RR and Jake

That doesn't mean gkrieg is not acti-lurking, it just means other people are worse.

And I've highlighted that mcmc and RR haven't done much, Ash subbed in late, and Awaclus seems town due to his claim. And Jake has done some decent reads in between the nonsense.

[faust]

I am voting for Faust because I found him scummy on D1 and didn't particularly like his start to D2.

Specifically, I thought his buddying of Robz was scummy.

How did I "buddy" Robz? (Assuming buddying means something other than townreading)

[faust]

First you think that I am scummy because I'm Robz' partner. Then Robz flips town and I am scummy because I read him correctly? Don't you see you are just changing your narrative so that you can keep finding me scummy?

[faust]

Reread of Idplay/ash:

Idplay opens voting for a player that's not in the game. Does that say anything? Well the mildest of town reads because scum has a better idea of who's in the game.

I'm the head of the department of the colour yellow

I get not claiming a role (which I like- I think it's too early), but all that buildup into absolutely nothing seems iffy. I just don't think town would make that threat. However, town!Joseph made a similar type threat in NM9.

Hedgy position on Joseph.

Jokes, I'm UB

Do we believe this? I'm not sure I do

I'm not sure I like this post.

Okay, ashersky takes over now.

Has anyone claimed anything?

Joseph has claimed UB without a counterclaim.

Did whomever I replaced post after that claim so we can assume I'm not the UB?

Seems to be making a point out of claiming that he didn't read his PM. I don't get that. The only thing this does is causing ou to play suboptimally. It makes more sense as a scum lie to me.

Also, not voting RR today.

This is completely out of the blue. ash, care to explain your reasoning here?

He scumreads Robz and me. Which is a fairly comfortable position for scum, because what are the chances that either of us actually gets lynched on D1?

Nice case, actually.

Supports my Robz-is-faust's-partner theory.

In response to Jake's Robz case. I'm sure ash would have been a lot more critical of that post if he did not already have this theory. This post illustrates ash's play which usually is all about confirmation bias. It's towny more than scummy I suppose.

I don't feel it really. Maybe we should just vote: mcmc

Or RR. That would be acceptable as well.

I'm okay with either of those lynches. Mmc is lurking big time. Vote: mcmcsalot

Is there any lynch you are NOT ok with?

Joseph. And also the Wine Merchant: a newbie working this hard on Day 1 should be rewarded with survival.

Huge scum tell here from Robz.  Enough to move my vote.  vote: robz

Would like to know what you thought the scum tell was here. - Nevermind, was explained later on.

Anybody down for a Roadrunner quicklynch?

I will point out that Faust last mentioned RR as an acceptable lynch candidate.

That's lots of love going on.

I will just point out that it is these kinds of posts that I think tied Robz and me together in ash's head. And they're all coming from Robz; I haven't done any buddying.

Towards the end of the day, ash defends gkrieg and Awaclus. If they're all town, this doesn't really make sense. He also suggests a no lynch.

I mean, I would just never ever ever ever ever ever actually go down this way as scum.

Well I wouldn't have lynched you if you hadn't claimed VT. Just didn't seem that big a loss this way.

Which is why I never claim VT unless I'm actually VT!

Or scum.  I'm fairly sure you've claimed VT as scum.  Maybe even on D1.

Still, you were the right lynch today, even if you weren't the correct one.

Not exactly sure what this means. There were certainly better lynches than Robz possible.

The Robz lynch was fantastic -- the best possible mislynch.  VT is the best role to have to lose, Robz is too dangerous to leave alive if he's not an IC, it gave us a lot of fantastic interactions at the end.

Anyone decrying the lynch as bad is bad.

Also, vote: faust

Do I buy this? Maybe. I mean sure there are worse things than lynching a claimed VT, but what about lynching scum? Also, by that metric (too dangerous to leave alive), we should probably lynch ash next.


So, I'm not sure. There are a bunch of town-indicating posts, nothing that really stands out. I see the overall strategy that ash uses to approach the game as a scummy one though (scumread the players that have been around long enough to know him, so that he can point to OMGUS when they start scumreading him).

On the other hand, I don't really think a scum team with ash in it would kill Calamitas.

[faust]

For some reason today feels like LyLo to me. I really want to figure this game out. I'm starting to realize that it might be too early for that.