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[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah but yours has gone from learning and making solid points to just casting out random non helpful remarks and starting fights instead of helping like you were early D-1 and making cases as well as telling us who you think is scum.

What about my points today hasn't been solid? I am asking questions that I think are relevant and your negativity isn't going to stop me from continuing to do that.

And I am sorry if you feel that I am starting a fight with you or anyone else. That hasn't ever been my intention, but I have given a read and presented a case. It was on you.

What case and what have i done that's been scummy. lol

[The_Wine_Merchant]

This.

And you said that the reason you are voting me is because I am not making cases and such like I was yesterday. So shouldn't you wait for a couple of days to see if I make those cases or not before voting? You can't have it both ways.

Ok so and case you have been living under a rock i'm really pissed right now. That was one of the worst conducted lynch's I've ever seen. Seriously i had sorta scum read robz but he became way townier as the day went on and he was clearly the wrong lynch choice. Will rant more when I have more time later as well as drop some scum read and deadline reactions.

vote: Jake

Come on, there's no way Jake is scum.

His emotion looks really exaggerated here. I get being disappointed, but the lynch happened two days ago. You can't tell me that Jake has maintained that level of anger over the last two days. Certainly he could just be exaggerating here regardless of his alignment, but I think it is at least worth a vote.

[EFHW]

Ok so and case you have been living under a rock i'm really pissed right now. That was one of the worst conducted lynch's I've ever seen. Seriously i had sorta scum read robz but he became way townier as the day went on and he was clearly the wrong lynch choice. Will rant more when I have more time later as well as drop some scum read and deadline reactions.

vote: Jake

Come on, there's no way Jake is scum.

Why not?

And I don't agree with all the bemoaning of the Robz lynch. We needed a lynch and doubt was going to swirl about him constantly until we knew his alignment for sure.  This was a run of the mill imperfect something short of random Day 1 lynch, imo.

It also isn't true that no cases were made.  I made a case against gkrieg as did faust, TWM made a case against Robz, mcmc made a case against faust, Jake made a case against someone (Robz?). Maybe there were others I'm not remembering now. It is true there wasn't much against Awaclus. Why didn't the people who didn't want a Robz lynch make a better case against Awaclus (assuming there is one there to be made)?

So I agree with TWM that Jake's outrage seems forced.  His campaign against Awaclus seems founded on basically not liking his claim, which is pretty thin. Let's see if he votes me now!

[EFHW]

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.

I was asleep my dude

You could have voted beforehand.  It's unusual to let the game go to deadline without getting a vote in, unless you've said you hate all the wagons or something like that.

Not only do I rarely notice when the deadlines are, I also don't like to do that because if I leave an absent minded vote on someone that makes them a much more likely candidate for a dumb scramble lynch.

I feel like maybe you are purposely misunderstanding me.  Why wouldn't you pay attention to deadlines? Usually people like to have a vote down when they make their last post before a deadline.

[EFHW]

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.

I was asleep my dude

You could have voted beforehand.  It's unusual to let the game go to deadline without getting a vote in, unless you've said you hate all the wagons or something like that.

Not only do I rarely notice when the deadlines are, I also don't like to do that because if I leave an absent minded vote on someone that makes them a much more likely candidate for a dumb scramble lynch.

Usually people like to have a vote down when they make their last post before a deadline. And it seems to me that you usually are voting for someone.

[EFHW]

sorry about the double post.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Jake made a case against someone (Robz?).

I forgot about that.

His case, http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg667320#msg667320, makes me trust his supposed anger even less, when initially he was a big part of the wagon and lynch even if he wasn't actually on it at the end.

Jake is being the guy that is mad when he rear ends someone after tailgating too closely, to use another roadrage reference.

[EFHW]

Jake made a case against someone (Robz?).

I forgot about that.

His case, http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg667320#msg667320, makes me trust his supposed anger even less, when initially he was a big part of the wagon and lynch even if he wasn't actually on it at the end.

Good point.  vote: Jake

[ashersky]

Also in the interest of rereading you all should add shuffle it usernames asap!

I will say this YET AGAIN.  Extra fields are not required.  Just use "Post by: username" in the find field.  It filters perfectly.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Well your point about RR is pretty good as well. I went back and checked and he didn't have a real vote on anyone all game. He had a couple that were really early on Jake. When I noticed his odd interactions with Jake I checked to see if he had been voting, but I guess those early votes lead me to believe he was voting more often.

I think I might go look at other RR games as town/mafia and see if there is a correlation as this seems potentially significant.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Also in the interest of rereading you all should add shuffle it usernames asap!

I will say this YET AGAIN.  Extra fields are not required.  Just use "Post by: username" in the find field.  It filters perfectly.

When I use this (command F on my mac) the only thing that comes up is your post.

[ashersky]

Also in the interest of rereading you all should add shuffle it usernames asap!

I will say this YET AGAIN.  Extra fields are not required.  Just use "Post by: username" in the find field.  It filters perfectly.

When I use this (command F on my mac) the only thing that comes up is your post.

Did you use it on the Print screen?  (button at top, right of page)

[ashersky]

The Robz lynch was fantastic -- the best possible mislynch.  VT is the best role to have to lose, Robz is too dangerous to leave alive if he's not an IC, it gave us a lot of fantastic interactions at the end.

Anyone decrying the lynch as bad is bad.

Also, vote: faust

[mcmcsalot]

Jake made a case against someone (Robz?).

I forgot about that.

His case, http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg667320#msg667320, makes me trust his supposed anger even less, when initially he was a big part of the wagon and lynch even if he wasn't actually on it at the end.

Good point.  vote: Jake

So at this point while I still think jake is acting scummy, I think Faust is acting scummier and I don't see scum Faust/jake.

Well I guess I keep assuming Faust is scum trying to get town credit for defending a town!jake, it's probably equally likely that Faust is just defending his scum partner. I would lynch either of them.

[EFHW]

faust - Jake - RR scum team?! 

[mcmcsalot]

faust - Jake - RR scum team?!

Very very plausible I do think rr's posts about not paying attention to deadlines and sort of nonchalant attitude is usually one scum takes after they have been called out as being too defensive as scum. Has rr lost any games recently as scum that might make him take this approach?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Tried to get a representative of mafia and town for RR.

M88 - Roadrunner as Town - Lynched Day1 - votes jake as a joke; votes jake again; votes faust; votes jake; votes sa during Day1

M89 - Roadrunner as Town - Died - votes gkrieg as a joke; votes jake; votes mcG; votes jake; votes jake

M85 - Roadrunner as Mafia - votes ss, votes joseph as jokes; votes playername; votes iguana day1

M77 - Roadrunner as Mafia - votes ww, votes chairs, votes ss, votes joseph, votes joseph, votes gkrieg

So that ended up not being as useful as I had hoped. Went through four games and didn't find one where RR is withheld his vote. Maybe there are others, but going through those four gave me a headache.

[Roadrunner7671]

I just didn't vote so much, I don't see why this is such a big deal. Had I been at the deadline, I would've voted for Robz when he suggested a RR lynch, if not sooner. I feel like you guys are grasping at the straws here in a big way.

[mcmcsalot]

I just didn't vote so much, I don't see why this is such a big deal. Had I been at the deadline, I would've voted for Robz when he suggested a RR lynch, if not sooner. I feel like you guys are grasping at the straws here in a big way.

So had you been around you would have just omgused robz for suggesting your lynch instead of analyzing the events going down and voting someone you thought was scum, makes sense for what scum wants to do.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Also in the interest of rereading you all should add shuffle it usernames asap!

I will say this YET AGAIN.  Extra fields are not required.  Just use "Post by: username" in the find field.  It filters perfectly.

When I use this (command F on my mac) the only thing that comes up is your post.

Did you use it on the Print screen?  (button at top, right of page)

Thanks. Didn't even know that was a thing. But I added a shuffle IT name anyways

[Roadrunner7671]

I just didn't vote so much, I don't see why this is such a big deal. Had I been at the deadline, I would've voted for Robz when he suggested a RR lynch, if not sooner. I feel like you guys are grasping at the straws here in a big way.

So had you been around you would have just omgused robz for suggesting your lynch instead of analyzing the events going down and voting someone you thought was scum, makes sense for what scum wants to do.

No, I would've voted Robz because he was pretty much the only wagon with about 5 minutes left in the day, and because people who were throwing their votes everywhere could've used a kick in the butt. Thanks for twisting my words around, but I don't recall seeing you at the deadline.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

but I don't recall seeing you at the deadline.

Burned!

[EFHW]

Tried to get a representative of mafia and town for RR.

M88 - Roadrunner as Town - Lynched Day1 - votes jake as a joke; votes jake again; votes faust; votes jake; votes sa during Day1

M89 - Roadrunner as Town - Died - votes gkrieg as a joke; votes jake; votes mcG; votes jake; votes jake

M85 - Roadrunner as Mafia - votes ss, votes joseph as jokes; votes playername; votes iguana day1

M77 - Roadrunner as Mafia - votes ww, votes chairs, votes ss, votes joseph, votes joseph, votes gkrieg

So that ended up not being as useful as I had hoped. Went through four games and didn't find one where RR is withheld his vote. Maybe there are others, but going through those four gave me a headache.

M74 was the one where he shadowed Awaclus all game. It does look like he has been a more frequent voter in past games.  Were these all from Day 1?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Tried to get a representative of mafia and town for RR.

M88 - Roadrunner as Town - Lynched Day1 - votes jake as a joke; votes jake again; votes faust; votes jake; votes sa during Day1

M89 - Roadrunner as Town - Died - votes gkrieg as a joke; votes jake; votes mcG; votes jake; votes jake

M85 - Roadrunner as Mafia - votes ss, votes joseph as jokes; votes playername; votes iguana day1

M77 - Roadrunner as Mafia - votes ww, votes chairs, votes ss, votes joseph, votes joseph, votes gkrieg

So that ended up not being as useful as I had hoped. Went through four games and didn't find one where RR is withheld his vote. Maybe there are others, but going through those four gave me a headache.

M74 was the one where he shadowed Awaclus all game. It does look like he has been a more frequent voter in past games.  Were these all from Day 1?

Yes. All Day1. All had a fair amount of early votes, but all had at least a few late day votes. Which is what was missing here.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

This.

And you said that the reason you are voting me is because I am not making cases and such like I was yesterday. So shouldn't you wait for a couple of days to see if I make those cases or not before voting? You can't have it both ways.

Ok so and case you have been living under a rock i'm really pissed right now. That was one of the worst conducted lynch's I've ever seen. Seriously i had sorta scum read robz but he became way townier as the day went on and he was clearly the wrong lynch choice. Will rant more when I have more time later as well as drop some scum read and deadline reactions.

vote: Jake

Come on, there's no way Jake is scum.

His emotion looks really exaggerated here. I get being disappointed, but the lynch happened two days ago. You can't tell me that Jake has maintained that level of anger over the last two days. Certainly he could just be exaggerating here regardless of his alignment, but I think it is at least worth a vote.

That's not my case. A basic synopsis is that you have completely changed your play style almost like you got advice from possible partners (Awa and asher) on how to play a certain way as well as  how you have not played like any other new player I've seen possibly from some coaching.