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[faust]

Also in the interest of rereading you all should add shuffle it usernames asap!

[EFHW]

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.

[EFHW]

While the Robz lynch was pretty awful, I think scum doesn't actually have a big incentive to lynch a claimed VT (they would be perfectly fine with no lynch), so I suspect that we have scum off wagon. Off wagon isn't a lot of people and this reinforces my scum read on mcmc.

I don't know if this argument holds for mcmc.  He wasn't just idly letting the lynch go by, he actively decided not to be on the wagon and yelled a bit about it, too, iirc.

[EFHW]

Uh. Calamitas is an interesting choice considering that he was the key figure in making the Robz lynch happen. My best guess is PR hunting?

He was?  It looks like he was on Awaclus, and advocating an Awaclus lynch, until near the end, when he switched to Robz.

[faust]

Uh. Calamitas is an interesting choice considering that he was the key figure in making the Robz lynch happen. My best guess is PR hunting?

He was?  It looks like he was on Awaclus, and advocating an Awaclus lynch, until near the end, when he switched to Robz.

Well, if he didn't switch, there would have been no lynch.

[gkrieg13]

I'm probably going to get to this game later this week.  Too many other things going on ATM.

[faust]

While the Robz lynch was pretty awful, I think scum doesn't actually have a big incentive to lynch a claimed VT (they would be perfectly fine with no lynch), so I suspect that we have scum off wagon. Off wagon isn't a lot of people and this reinforces my scum read on mcmc.

I don't know if this argument holds for mcmc.  He wasn't just idly letting the lynch go by, he actively decided not to be on the wagon and yelled a bit about it, too, iirc.

I think you are referring to this post:

Need to grab quotes and I need to go to sleep so will wait till morning to post my full case but i am going to vote: faust as he believed joseph was towny before his claim when I think he almost certainly looked scummy and he has repeatedly supported jake's plan to narrow the lynch pool which I think is much more scummy then jakes very damaging but I think town inspired plan.

I'm interested to see your case, but this close to deadline, voting off the 3 existing wagons probably isn't very helpful.

WHAT THREE WAGONS???

Vote count from 3 posts earlier

Vote Count 1.9

Robz888 (3): gkrieg13, Awaclus, The_Wine_Merchant
Awaclus (3): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Robz888
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): faust
faust (1): ashersky

Not Voting (2): Calamitas, Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time. This is in 15 hours.

you mean the robz/awc "wagons" with 3 vote on it...or the gkrieg one which I'M CURRENTLY ONE OF TWO PEOPLE...

If you want people to vote for someone MAKE A CASE. If i like it i will state that and why and vote. I won't "just vote for someone!"

Like am I going crazy here or does noone want to do actual scumhunting since its day one and its hard...

Yes there is yelling. There is however no word about having a town read on either Robz or Awaclus. He's not pushing against these wagons at all; all he does is complain that there is no case.

Anyway even if he had opposed the wagon strongly, I don't see why this would make my argument not hold.

[Joseph2302]

Well, so we had a very odd lynch followed by a weird choice of night kill.

And in all that, 2 VTs are gone. And so I've still not become a PR.

[Calamitas]

i'm a spoooky ghoooost

[faust]

↓

Um, you're dead n stuff.

[schadd]

What's he going to do, modkill me again?

[faust]

In the interest of transparency, Calamitas' post was about how he voted for Robz because he doesn't like no lynches. I think. Did not memorize it very well.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

While the Robz lynch was pretty awful, I think scum doesn't actually have a big incentive to lynch a claimed VT (they would be perfectly fine with no lynch), so I suspect that we have scum off wagon. Off wagon isn't a lot of people and this reinforces my scum read on mcmc.

Why would they be ok with a no lynch? Isn't that just one more person that they have to NK and one more day or night cycle that they have to survive through?

Or is it that the lack of information would be more hurtful to town than the harm mafia would incur from having an additional cycle?

[faust]

While the Robz lynch was pretty awful, I think scum doesn't actually have a big incentive to lynch a claimed VT (they would be perfectly fine with no lynch), so I suspect that we have scum off wagon. Off wagon isn't a lot of people and this reinforces my scum read on mcmc.

Why would they be ok with a no lynch? Isn't that just one more person that they have to NK and one more day or night cycle that they have to survive through?

Or is it that the lack of information would be more hurtful to town than the harm mafia would incur from having an additional cycle?

Well if no lynch was bad for scum, we would do it. Lack of information is bad. We get no new information, causing a repetition of the same arguments and the game stalling.

Also they might have hoped for an Awaclus lynch, which - if he's town - would have been much better for them.

[Joseph2302]

So an important question is this: Why did scum choose to kill Calamitas?

Usual targets would be the traditionally really good town people e.g. faust/gkrieg/ash

Calamitas is a good player, but I'd have expected one of those 3 to be NKed

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote Count 1.11

Robz888 (4): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (4): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, faust
faust (1): mcmcsalot

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time. This is in 30 minutes.

In going back and reviewing I feel like this is a fairly important moment. Especially if, as faust says, mafia wouldn't have really cared about trying to lynch a claimed VT. Because there was a claimed PR. If mafia wanted to try and lynch a claimed PR (unless Awaclus is mafia in which, they would have obviously tried to avoid it which bears worth looking at), wouldn't they have tried to go down that road?

[Awaclus]

In the interest of transparency, Calamitas' post was about how he voted for Robz because he doesn't like no lynches. I think. Did not memorize it very well.

Yeah, I think it was something like that too.

[Awaclus]

Vote Count 1.11

Robz888 (4): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (4): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, faust
faust (1): mcmcsalot

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time. This is in 30 minutes.

In going back and reviewing I feel like this is a fairly important moment. Especially if, as faust says, mafia wouldn't have really cared about trying to lynch a claimed VT. Because there was a claimed PR. If mafia wanted to try and lynch a claimed PR (unless Awaclus is mafia in which, they would have obviously tried to avoid it which bears worth looking at), wouldn't they have tried to go down that road?

I actually think Mafia wouldn't lynch a claimed PR there, just because they knew my claim was true. It's easier to mislynch someone else.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.

I was asleep my dude

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote Count 1.11

Robz888 (4): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (4): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, faust
faust (1): mcmcsalot

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time. This is in 30 minutes.

In going back and reviewing I feel like this is a fairly important moment. Especially if, as faust says, mafia wouldn't have really cared about trying to lynch a claimed VT. Because there was a claimed PR. If mafia wanted to try and lynch a claimed PR (unless Awaclus is mafia in which, they would have obviously tried to avoid it which bears worth looking at), wouldn't they have tried to go down that road?

I actually think Mafia wouldn't lynch a claimed PR there, just because they knew my claim was true. It's easier to mislynch someone else.

Where did you claim?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok so and case you have been living under a rock i'm really pissed right now. That was one of the worst conducted lynch's I've ever seen. Seriously i had sorta scum read robz but he became way townier as the day went on and he was clearly the wrong lynch choice. Will rant more when I have more time later as well as drop some scum read and deadline reactions.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Ok so and case you have been living under a rock i'm really pissed right now. That was one of the worst conducted lynch's I've ever seen. Seriously i had sorta scum read robz but he became way townier as the day went on and he was clearly the wrong lynch choice. Will rant more when I have more time later as well as drop some scum read and deadline reactions.

vote: Jake

[Awaclus]

Vote Count 1.11

Robz888 (4): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (4): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, faust
faust (1): mcmcsalot

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time. This is in 30 minutes.

In going back and reviewing I feel like this is a fairly important moment. Especially if, as faust says, mafia wouldn't have really cared about trying to lynch a claimed VT. Because there was a claimed PR. If mafia wanted to try and lynch a claimed PR (unless Awaclus is mafia in which, they would have obviously tried to avoid it which bears worth looking at), wouldn't they have tried to go down that road?

I actually think Mafia wouldn't lynch a claimed PR there, just because they knew my claim was true. It's easier to mislynch someone else.

Where did you claim?

In this thread, when there was like an hour left and I was the biggest wagon. Too lazy to look that post up, but for reference, I'm still the 1-shot Roleblocker. It's probably better if I don't claim whether or not I've used the shot yet though, right?

[Joseph2302]

Vote Count 1.11

Robz888 (4): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13, Awaclus
Awaclus (4): Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888
gkrieg13 (2): EFHW, faust
faust (1): mcmcsalot

Not Voting (1): Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time. This is in 30 minutes.

In going back and reviewing I feel like this is a fairly important moment. Especially if, as faust says, mafia wouldn't have really cared about trying to lynch a claimed VT. Because there was a claimed PR. If mafia wanted to try and lynch a claimed PR (unless Awaclus is mafia in which, they would have obviously tried to avoid it which bears worth looking at), wouldn't they have tried to go down that road?

I actually think Mafia wouldn't lynch a claimed PR there, just because they knew my claim was true. It's easier to mislynch someone else.

Where did you claim?

In this thread, when there was like an hour left and I was the biggest wagon. Too lazy to look that post up, but for reference, I'm still the 1-shot Roleblocker. It's probably better if I don't claim whether or not I've used the shot yet though, right?

Probably best yes.
If you tell us that you've used it, you probably get NKed to make the UB useless.

[Joseph2302]

In the interest of transparency, Calamitas' post was about how he voted for Robz because he doesn't like no lynches. I think. Did not memorize it very well.

Yeah, I think it was something like that too.

That was about right. Basically he didn't want the no lynch.