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[gkrieg13]

vote: RR

[Witherweaver]

I'll read today, promise.

[LaLight]

I'll read today, promise.

Well, you didn't quickhammer, so the game is solved.

[Witherweaver]

I'm not sure I agree.  Setup assumptions can be bad.

[LaLight]

I'm not sure I agree.  Setup assumptions can be bad.

Of course. I'm just quite sure you're town now.

@Eevee, do you believe in my and gkrieg's towniness or ahould we softclaim?

[gkrieg13]

I'm not sure I agree.  Setup assumptions can be bad.

Of course. I'm just quite sure you're town now.

@Eevee, do you believe in my and gkrieg's towniness or ahould we softclaim?

I personally think it might just be time to hard claim

[Witherweaver]

On mobile so won't quote much.

Yeah there have to be 2 Mafia.

Interesting here, though in regards to Axxle. If it is Arch/RR/Axxle, then bussing is much more viable, especially if we all believe there is only two Mafia.  RR didn't bring this up, it was actually LaLight.

Continuing, not much early, hedge on Faust flavorgate.  Comments kind of on the sidelines about stuff, doesn't do anything definite.

When pressed for reads:

There is one thing about RR i really don't like but i can't tell now, I need his claim, so i need him at L-1

Why do you keep gunning after RR?

This is interesting indeed.

Who does RR want to lynch?

Axxele wouldn't be the worst, neither would faust. I'd want to reread WW before taking a stancd on him. I also think a no lynch wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd prefer a lynch I think

If RR is scum this strongly implicates Axxle.

[Witherweaver]

This is Axxle on Arch.  Second vote on wagon, I follow.  Possible bus with three, pretty risky with two.  That factor makes RR the better lynch.

vote: archetype

Also willing to vote Faust. Seems like some classic scumbuddy bussing/deflecting.

The mention of Faust and it's manner makes it look a tad more like a bus.  (Setting up moving later.)

[Witherweaver]

I've seen no case on Arch but I also haven't seen him defend himself, which is scummy. I'd vote for him in the last few minutes of the deadline, but we have time.

RR on Arch.. as mentioned, not good for him.

[Witherweaver]

Also

The one thing I don't like about the Arch lynch is that everyone just voted for him without reasons. That feels like it could be a scum driven wagon, but whatevs.

He's hesitant to go anywhere, though. Response to my wagon:

I'm working under the impression that both of you are town, or at least LaLight is, so this wagon is cool. Should I vote now though? If WW is town, scum could quick lynch, but I don't know if that's a real fear.

Ah but he gets on it:

Do you have any reason to believe that's the case?

I can Vote: WW if that makes you happy 

[Witherweaver]

Well, ok. Let's see where we will come with Vote: WW

Only madness lies down that road.

I like madness. Vote: WW

This should be L-1.

Just quoting this for evidence that Faust is always wrong about me.

[Witherweaver]

I'm very inclined for voting RR for speculations and trying to solve things that townie person says not to solve

Scum!RR could just put his theory in the scum QT. I see no reason for why this would make him scummy.

Was that a scumslip?

That scumslip thing that was bad :/ First nonpassive thing RR does, and he doesn't actually press it; Arch does.

[Witherweaver]

And that's basically it.. he's gone until right before lynch where he absolutely refuses to say any that would make him accountable.

[Witherweaver]

Also I really think Axxle is a much better lynch than Arch or RR.

This would be funny if it really is Arch/Axxle/RR

[Witherweaver]

Will the five non ICs put together a scum to town list?

Faust > RR >> WW > Axxle >> LaLight >>> gkreig

For reference. 

[Witherweaver]

So Axxle.. comes in pretty standard for him.. questioning things.  Maybe town Axxle is more aggressive (votes earlier), but hard to say.

Gone for a lot of d1.. first real thing is that vote on Arch I quoted before.

Doesn't hammer me when I'm at L-1 early, which would look bad if he's scum and would be bad play if he's town, so null there.

Mentions RR has only voted once.  Opposes massclaim.

Reads list is Faust=Arch on top.  notably consistent throughout day 1.

When he comes back Faust has claimed, Axxle and Faust are biggest wagons.. RR has one vote I think and Arch has none (except Axxle was still on Arch).  Axxle votes Faust.... Oh actually it's me that has one vote, not RR.  Well. Faust vote is self preservation, so not as scummy as i previous thought.

Oh look, I actually revived the Arch wagon:

Vote: Archetype

Won't oppose RR.  Still want Faust to come back.

Everyone had moved off of him.  Axxle was at L-1 there.  Would be funny if they're both scum.

Axxle jumps on third on the wagon.  He sort of has to as either alignment.. Faust is likely not happening.. mentions that it could be me/Faust in his Arch vote post.. scummy there.

And that's basically it.  He stays on Arch, though mentions we don't have the votes unless people come back

[Witherweaver]

I think RR is the better choice.

More on Axxle.  He starts today questioning LL/Gkrieg and makes a case:

 

Let's start with the conclusion:

Vote: LaLight

One of the first people to suggest a massclaim

One of the first people to suggest a no lynch.

Posted the coded message right when gkrieg was there to react.

Read faust as scum for a non-tell (the flavor name thing)

Read almost everyone as scum except for gkrieg (minus a small tip of the hat at the very beginning of the game).

Only gives passing scumread of Archetype, lumped him in the same group as me and prefered to lynch me, only going to Archetype when it was clear my lynch wasn't happening.

Claims to know gkrieg is town due to the role but doesn't show a desire to confirm it.

Still pushing on massclaiming today, an awful idea if he genuinely thinks there's two scum left. Roleblock on a healing role loses us the game.

They also claim to get mod confirmation that RR is town, 4 conftown is a broken game.

This is a gkrieg/LaLight gambit.

This looks a little like scum knowing they have to do something less expected.  We'd expect scum!Axxle to push the other targets (me and possible town!RR), so these kinds of moves are seen as townier, and Axxle knows it.  Also, if LL and Gkrieg are both town, scum!Axxle has to get them in the long run (I think), because even if he got a mislynch on me today, he'd be PoEd tomorrow.  (I think.. maybe scenario is different depending on if it's RR+Axxle or just Axxle.. if it were just Axxle he might be able to win pushing through me and RR.)

LL+Gkrieg team is of course the big thing to worry about.  Mislynch on RR then Axxle is a loss with the NKs.. ideally we'd test by lynching one of them, but we can't afford to.

If LL is scum he's played this wonderfully.  His D1 is very townie, and his interactions with Arch look good.
We should take LL as town... Really we have to.

Worry then is town LL being confused or misled into conftowning Gkrieg.  Well, even if that were the case, lynching outside them is still the right !I've today.

I think it should be RR

[Witherweaver]

I guess I'm ready to hammer RR when people check in.  A full reread of Arch is needed, if I get the chance.

At any rate

Intent to hammer.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, Arch has very little.  No mention of Axxle; RR mentioned quite often, usually in the "would be willing to lynch too" or "maybe scummy" kind of scenario, while his main target was Faust.

[Axxle]

LaLight, I think you should definitely be concerned with showing your towniness to us.

Axxle, I think we should lynch RR today, and look closer into LL and others tomorrow. He looks very very very bad based on yesterday - no real content, other than trying to steer us away from a mafia lynch. Kind of surprised people aren't joining in on this - why not?

I'm just worried that if we mislynch today we lose

[Axxle]

unvote

[Witherweaver]

RR going to claim?

[Witherweaver]

Oh well

Vote: Roadrunner

It is inevitable (like the new world order).

[Eevee]

WW's joke game in top form in this game!

Sucks that RR is practically absent, but this seems like the best course of action. Ideally we would want to wait for a claim, but no knowing if he can make it on in time.

[Witherweaver]

Honestly I don't know if his claim would make any difference.  Even if it's the wrong move, it probably has to happen anyway.