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[LaLight]

Didnt you have a very strong townread on Robz, by the way?

I did, but this was too scummy. My townread on Robz is still there (I mean that post that was towning him), but now I am not so sure.

[pacovf]

If he had done this on, say, Calamitas instead of you, would you think the same?

[LaLight]

If he had done this on, say, Calamitas instead of you, would you think the same?

Well, of course (I even thought about it)

But the thing is that the fact he did this on me is more reliable for me personally cause I know I am town for 100%, and do not know that about Calamitas. Still, that would be very scummy.

[faust]

Flavor to come.

J Reggie has been lynched! They were Causabon (from Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum), the Vanilla Townie!

Night 2 starts now and lasts until Jan 2, 10 am forum time.

Thread locked!

[faust]

All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in their own way. The Oblonskys wer in turmoil - again. The news had just reached them that the Stepan Arkadyevich's sister Anna had been found dead at a railway station. The distraught police officer said that the sign pointed to a suicide. This was not something Stepan could believe. Some maleficent individual was responsible, he was sure. And he would find them in due time.

pacovf has been killed in the night! They were Anna Karenina (from Leo Tolstoy's Anna Karenina), the Jailkeeper!

Day 3 starts!

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (8 ): Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, Robz888, Eevee, teamlyle, Witherweaver, mcmcsalot

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 ends Jan 9 at 1 pm forum time.

[Witherweaver]

Eevee, result?

[SpaceAnemone]

Take care with voting, everyone. We have 5 townie people who can vote, four of whom can reasonably be voted for, and scum could hammer all by themselves off the back of a single town-on-town vote :-(

[Robz888]

Yikes, yikes, yikes. Paranoia stage of the game. 50% of remaining players are scum!

[Robz888]

So I still have a really bad feeling about WW coming in and keeping J Reg as the lynch, rather than LL. Which points me toward both of them being scum.

Then there's Eevee, who is still around somehow.

If all three were scum (don't know if they really fit together), that would leave mcmc, Calamitas, and Space as the townies.

[Robz888]

Also, we lost the Jailkeeper, we have a 1-shot Restless Spirit, a claimed Tracker... I'm usually skeptical of mass claims but it seems like now might be the time, yes?

[Robz888]

We don't have anyone to direct it, unfortunately. No confirmed townies.

[Robz888]

Wait! Teamlyle could do it, maybe? If he votes for people in the order he wants them to claim. Could scum quickhammer though?

[Calamitas]

First we want to have eeves result

[Robz888]

First we want to have eeves result

Well, yes, of course.

[SpaceAnemone]

First we want to have eeves result

What do you think of the chances of Eevee's claim being a lie at this point, with so many other roles around?

[SpaceAnemone]

Wait! Teamlyle could do it, maybe? If he votes for people in the order he wants them to claim. Could scum quickhammer though?

Isn't it way too risky for teamlyle to vote at all till we're significantly further into the day, and have had a chance to discuss more ideas on the basis of JR and Paco's flips?

[Robz888]

Wait! Teamlyle could do it, maybe? If he votes for people in the order he wants them to claim. Could scum quickhammer though?

Isn't it way too risky for teamlyle to vote at all till we're significantly further into the day, and have had a chance to discuss more ideas on the basis of JR and Paco's flips?

Well yes we should discuss more ideas first, but one of the ideas we should discuss is massclaiming, and I think that would be the way to do it. But teamlyle would have to vote and unvote real quickly. I think he could do that before scum quickhammered though. We could work it out. But yes, he should not vote for anyone until we have it nailed down if we're even doing this.

[SpaceAnemone]

Wait! Teamlyle could do it, maybe? If he votes for people in the order he wants them to claim. Could scum quickhammer though?

Isn't it way too risky for teamlyle to vote at all till we're significantly further into the day, and have had a chance to discuss more ideas on the basis of JR and Paco's flips?

Well yes we should discuss more ideas first, but one of the ideas we should discuss is massclaiming, and I think that would be the way to do it. But teamlyle would have to vote and unvote real quickly. I think he could do that before scum quickhammered though. We could work it out. But yes, he should not vote for anyone until we have it nailed down if we're even doing this.

Let's concentrate on the "if we're even doing this" part first. Distracting from that discussion by skipping straight onto the next step of how to include teamlyle is a little bit scummy-looking, especially when you know there are at least two people here who like shiny theory and mechanisms discussions...

[Robz888]

Wait! Teamlyle could do it, maybe? If he votes for people in the order he wants them to claim. Could scum quickhammer though?

Isn't it way too risky for teamlyle to vote at all till we're significantly further into the day, and have had a chance to discuss more ideas on the basis of JR and Paco's flips?

Well yes we should discuss more ideas first, but one of the ideas we should discuss is massclaiming, and I think that would be the way to do it. But teamlyle would have to vote and unvote real quickly. I think he could do that before scum quickhammered though. We could work it out. But yes, he should not vote for anyone until we have it nailed down if we're even doing this.

Let's concentrate on the "if we're even doing this" part first. Distracting from that discussion by skipping straight onto the next step of how to include teamlyle is a little bit scummy-looking, especially when you know there are at least two people here who like shiny theory and mechanisms discussions...

I agree that we should concentrate on the "are we even doing this" part, but "is it feasible for an IC to direct it" is an important part of the "should we even do this" conversation.

[Eevee]

I targeted SA, whom I though most universally town-read (so a likely target for a mafia kill). Received no result.

[Robz888]

I targeted SA, whom I though most universally town-read (so a likely target for a mafia kill). Received no result.

I thought you were a Tracker?

[SpaceAnemone]

I targeted SA, whom I though most universally town-read (so a likely target for a mafia kill). Received no result.

I thought you were a Tracker?

Well, he's got to be scum now. This would be a good point to work out who his accomplices are.

Plus, that explains why he lived through the night as a claimed tracker. Though I still don't see what Paco did to give himself away :-(

[Robz888]

I targeted SA, whom I though most universally town-read (so a likely target for a mafia kill). Received no result.

I thought you were a Tracker?

Well, he's got to be scum now. This would be a good point to work out who his accomplices are.

Plus, that explains why he lived through the night as a claimed tracker. Though I still don't see what Paco did to give himself away :-(

Why do you think this makes Eevee more likely to be scum?

[SpaceAnemone]

Why do you think this makes Eevee more likely to be scum?

Because he definitely claimed tracker:

I'm a tracker. I targeted gkrieg last night.

And yet he's now claiming to have targeted me last night because he thought I was a likely NK target:

I targeted SA, whom I though most universally town-read (so a likely target for a mafia kill). Received no result.

If you're a tracker, you track a person you think is scum. What Eevee describes doing fits a watcher not a tracker. An actual PR wouldn't have made that mistake.

[Robz888]

Why do you think this makes Eevee more likely to be scum?

Because he definitely claimed tracker:

I'm a tracker. I targeted gkrieg last night.

And yet he's now claiming to have targeted me last night because he thought I was a likely NK target:

I targeted SA, whom I though most universally town-read (so a likely target for a mafia kill). Received no result.

If you're a tracker, you track a person you think is scum. What Eevee describes doing fits a watcher not a tracker. An actual PR wouldn't have made that mistake.

Okay, right. Yes, I thought that too.

But here's the thing... Eevee is either Tracker who got the Tracker role wrong, or scum who got the Tracker role wrong. I'm surprised that Eevee got it wrong in either case, but I'm not sure the latter is more believable than the former. Wouldn't his scum buddies have helped him pick a target and rationale?

They could have chosen to have him screw it up, I guess.