No, I was hoping some other claims would emerge and it would narrow it down to "this person is lying or this person is lying". I'm of a generation that generally massclaims at LYLO, I just sort of thought it was the time for that to happen.
So you're saying that if you had been a vig, you'd have been willing to entirely give up any chance of shooting again and marked yourself for the next kill on the off-chance that there was a scum who'd make things easier for you by pretending to be another PR? And you'd have done that because it was the "done thing", without having considered how awful it was in your particular position? That just doesn't seem like plausible play from a player as strong as you.
@Calamitas, WW, mcmc and teamlyle, does Robz really seem like a person who was actually thinking like a vig in that situation to you?
The problem with your argument is, why weren't you making it before? How is it different if he's a Vig vs. if he's a VT?
If a high-level player comes out and blatantly PR-hunts for a role that only really works if I can keep it secret, you think drawing attention to myself by arguing too much against him is a viable alternative? Keeping quiet and hoping the VTs noticed something or said things to draw the attention away seemed to me to be the best course of action.
Notice how forceful Robz was about the need to claim, and the whole silly thing about getting teamlyle to vote and unvote really fast, where I was trying as gently as possible to point out that we hadn't even discussed whether it was wise to claim at all.. that's because he was scum trying to PR-hunt, and I was trying to get any other townie to cotton onto the fact it was a stupid idea.
My point is more that the Vig's existence was public knowledge. If it was bad play for Vig!Rob to propose a massclaim, it was bad play for VT!Rob as well.
Ah, I probably interpreted your question entirely incorrectly there. I don't think there's any question of Robz being a VT in any of these considerations: he's conf!scum. But the thought process he's describing for why he thought a massclaim was a good idea
entirely jars with what I actually felt as a genuine vig at the point he was suggesting claiming. And I argue that the reason for that is that Robz was a scum doing some PR-hunting, and not a townie who "just sort of thought it was time" for a massclaim to happen.
Does vig!Robz just say "I just thought it was time for a mass-claim",
completely oblivious to the fact that it tells scum exactly who to RB and marks him for the next night's kill? And does he do that
just on the off-chance that some scums would decide to claim a PR, when they could instead all just claim VT and benefit from him having outed himself anyway? There's no guarantee that anyone claiming a simple role (one that's compatible with what we know about the setup roll) is or isn't what they say they are, in spite of what Robz kept saying about how being a PR ICs someone.
So in answer to your question about whether it's specifically bad for vig!Robz and not VT!Robz, then no, it would have been bad for both, but it's exactly what scum!Robz needed to do in order to try to unearth the identity of the known vig.
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