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[SpaceAnemone]

Still, if I were to do it over I'd have made it a 20% kill, or maybe even a 10%.

I think at that point, I would've chosen the other role.

That's good, I guess.  The correct percentage is exactly whatever percentage that makes the role-choice most difficult.

Well, in general, yeah, but here we specifically gave each scum two roles to pick from, so if we'd given gkreig two OP-ish ones, then it would still have left things a bit unbalanced.

[LaLight]

Thanks to mods for running the game! I've read the setup and I am admired by it. Also, you're very right that I shouldn't have been backup but try to convince.

[SpaceAnemone]

For anyone who couldn't be bothered reading all of the mod QT, here's the Google Doc where Haddock and I created all the different roles and powers.

[Haddock]

Still, if I were to do it over I'd have made it a 20% kill, or maybe even a 10%.

I think at that point, I would've chosen the other role.

That's good, I guess.  The correct percentage is exactly whatever percentage that makes the role-choice most difficult.

Well, in general, yeah, but here we specifically gave each scum two roles to pick from, so if we'd given gkreig two OP-ish ones, then it would still have left things a bit unbalanced.

I'm saying that we should have reduced the percentage on the Xenophobia role.  The correct percentage for it to be at is whatever makes the role as close as possible to the other option.  (Making the choice of role for the player as hard as possible.)

[Haddock]

Still, if I were to do it over I'd have made it a 20% kill, or maybe even a 10%.

I think at that point, I would've chosen the other role.

That's good, I guess.  The correct percentage is exactly whatever percentage that makes the role-choice most difficult.

Well, in general, yeah, but here we specifically gave each scum two roles to pick from, so if we'd given gkreig two OP-ish ones, then it would still have left things a bit unbalanced.

I'm saying that we should have reduced the percentage on the Xenophobia role.  The correct percentage for it to be at is whatever makes the role as close as possible to the other option.  (Making the choice of role for the player as hard as possible.)

That's assuming that the other role was balanced, which I can't remember what it was, but I think it was probably weaker than a 40% kill.

[Awaclus]

Yeah, if it was 20%, the odds of the role ending up being entirely useless would have increased significantly.

[Calamitas]

Thanks to mods for running the game! I've read the setup and I am admired by it.

This! Thanks you both :-)

[SpaceAnemone]

As Haddock said, the assumption that gkrieg is either vig or sk finished us over. But I'm not sure whether making that assumption was actually irrational with the given info (since the prior of multiple kills by the same scum faction has been quite low). What do you think, Space?

Yeah, your prior was kind of low, but the mistake was probably in treating gkrieg too much like and IC when you could have kept that proportional bit of suspicion on him because the prior on scum being able to double-kill shouldn't have fallen to zero.

It made for some fun watching from my point of view: you and LL were quite close to being able to sort things out and get teamlyle lynched at one point, but then it slipped and gkrieg had enough leverage to swing town's voting his way because of that. I'm really pleased that it did end up looking like it could swing either way, at least for a short while! Of course, Haddock was the senior role-creation expert here, but we certainly had a lot of fun kicking ideas about between is. So sad that James Bond didn't live longer, and also that the Monty Python role never got its chance to shine/screw everything up :-P

[Awaclus]

I've read the setup and I am admired by it.

I think you might have meant to say that you admire the setup.

[Calamitas]

As Haddock said, the assumption that gkrieg is either vig or sk finished us over. But I'm not sure whether making that assumption was actually irrational with the given info (since the prior of multiple kills by the same scum faction has been quite low). What do you think, Space?

Yeah, your prior was kind of low, but the mistake was probably in treating gkrieg too much like and IC when you could have kept that proportional bit of suspicion on him because the prior on scum being able to double-kill shouldn't have fallen to zero.

It made for some fun watching from my point of view: you and LL were quite close to being able to sort things out and get teamlyle lynched at one point, but then it slipped and gkrieg had enough leverage to swing town's voting his way because of that. I'm really pleased that it did end up looking like it could swing either way, at least for a short while! Of course, Haddock was the senior role-creation expert here, but we certainly had a lot of fun kicking ideas about between is. So sad that James Bond didn't live longer, and also that the Monty Python role never got its chance to shine/screw everything up :-P

Hmm, I might have dropped it too far, I agree. Though I think I would have hardly reached a point in the game where I would consider gkrieg as the likeliest scum candidate (I thought of him as SK the whole time).

[teamlyle]

Yay gg! I didn't really play that great but we still won And congrats to Lalight for calling all of us out, I was worried there for a moment 

MVP vote: gkrieg13

[faust]

Wow I cannot believe that neither Awaclus nor teamlyle got lynched in the end there.

My only claim to fame here is that I only motivated town people.

[faust]

Still, if I were to do it over I'd have made it a 20% kill, or maybe even a 10%.

I think at that point, I would've chosen the other role.

That's good, I guess.  The correct percentage is exactly whatever percentage that makes the role-choice most difficult.

Well, in general, yeah, but here we specifically gave each scum two roles to pick from, so if we'd given gkreig two OP-ish ones, then it would still have left things a bit unbalanced.

I'm saying that we should have reduced the percentage on the Xenophobia role.  The correct percentage for it to be at is whatever makes the role as close as possible to the other option.  (Making the choice of role for the player as hard as possible.)

It maybe just me, but I really dislike percentage roles. All they do is make a game unnecessarily swingy.

[faust]

For anyone who couldn't be bothered reading all of the mod QT, here's the Google Doc where Haddock and I created all the different roles and powers.

I cannot access this; it says the file has been removed.

[EFHW]

At least I was right about gkrieg. Gg guys.

And me on teamlyle. Did anyone ever go back to the case I made on him Day 1? I didn't read everything after I died.

[EFHW]

I had a guilty result on gkrieg the night I was killed!

[Awaclus]

At least I was right about gkrieg. Gg guys.

And me on teamlyle. Did anyone ever go back to the case I made on him Day 1? I didn't read everything after I died.

Well, I kept pushing the case against teamlyle.

[SpaceAnemone]

For anyone who couldn't be bothered reading all of the mod QT, here's the Google Doc where Haddock and I created all the different roles and powers.

I cannot access this; it says the file has been removed.

Ah, that would be me trying to copy-paste from something that's obscuring the middle part of a URL :-P

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pUsIQLGJ3DIjh6karDnD4itsIdUWosqzhtou2ZiFIrg/edit?usp=sharing

[Haddock]

Still, if I were to do it over I'd have made it a 20% kill, or maybe even a 10%.

I think at that point, I would've chosen the other role.

That's good, I guess.  The correct percentage is exactly whatever percentage that makes the role-choice most difficult.

Well, in general, yeah, but here we specifically gave each scum two roles to pick from, so if we'd given gkreig two OP-ish ones, then it would still have left things a bit unbalanced.

I'm saying that we should have reduced the percentage on the Xenophobia role.  The correct percentage for it to be at is whatever makes the role as close as possible to the other option.  (Making the choice of role for the player as hard as possible.)

It maybe just me, but I really dislike percentage roles. All they do is make a game unnecessarily swingy.

I don't disagree.  We did go into the design of this knowing it would be an insanely swingy game, though.  The "Bonkers" wasn't for nothing. 
I'm not a fan of massive swinginess in general but it was clear from the start of our design process that it would be a very swingy setup, and we were kind of OK with that.

[EFHW]

At least I was right about gkrieg. Gg guys.

And me on teamlyle. Did anyone ever go back to the case I made on him Day 1? I didn't read everything after I died.

Well, I kept pushing the case against teamlyle.

But you were scum!

[Archetype]

Dang. Well done, scum. I feel really bad because I think we would have lynched teamlyle if I hadn't spoken up about J Reggie. I just really didn't anticipate scum having the ability to kill as a power, but I guess that's what I get for setup speculating. We may have lost anyways because of us thinking gkreig as a SK or Vig, but that's just how it goes.

Thanks for the game, SpaceAnenome and Haddock! Really fun and crazy setup

[Dylan32]

Wow. Read through the game and what an end! Sorry I couldn't stick it out, but thanks to Ash for filling in for the 1 EoD left before getting killed.  I find the whole thing with my gkrieg comment and Awaclus hammering me for it absolutely hilarious now that I know you were both on the scum team. I did suspect Awaclus and teamlyle before I bowed out, but I did think gkrieg was town up until the end, so I guess I did trust gkrieg in the first game I was with scum!gkrieg... go figure.

[LaLight]

I guess you forgot to announce the mvp

[SpaceAnemone]

A long while back, Haddock and I decided that gkrieg is MVP but I forgot to tell everyone. Oops! Well played, gkrieg — you wielded all those pointy killy scum tools beautifully :-)

[gkrieg13]

Yay!  Thanks guys!