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[IDontPlayThisGame]

I agree that we should move on to a new topic. The discussion of whether something works in the majority of cases (when we're not analyzing pure probability) isn't very newbie friendly. Especially because I don't know how much we (the new players) can even gain from analyzing that discussion. I still feel like I have no reads from it.

[faust]

How about, every time you are not satisfied with the current discussion, instead of saying "we should move on to a new topic", you actually move on to a new topic?

(This goes for everyone.)

[faust]

For example, let's look at LaLight. He has a couple of posts, right?

He opens the game by asking some questions. Not exactly sure what for... have you gotten anything out of that, LaLight? There's some fluff, and agreement with me on theory.

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

This is such a weird post. Everyone cannot be right if we're arguing for contrary things! A little townie also, because it seems like a weird stance for scum to take.

He's generally trying to move the game forward, which is nice but also null. All posts are so pleasant, none of them seem to be designed to create discussion or put the spotlight on LaLight himself, so that's not so good.

But then he gives some reads, which is good again, and unprompted too. Case on gkrieg is actually not terrible.

Okay, I think overall LaLight seems towny.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

How about, every time you are not satisfied with the current discussion, instead of saying "we should move on to a new topic", you actually move on to a new topic?

(This goes for everyone.)

Fair enough. I would like to hear from RR, Jake, and Alec. We haven't heard a single thing from Jake, two posts from Alec, neither of which had content, and a couple of things about RVS and the claim discussion from RR.

Granted, I'm guilty of my criticism of Alec's posts; I haven't really said a whole lot.

For example, let's look at LaLight. He has a couple of posts, right?

He opens the game by asking some questions. Not exactly sure what for... have you gotten anything out of that, LaLight? There's some fluff, and agreement with me on theory.

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

This is such a weird post. Everyone cannot be right if we're arguing for contrary things! A little townie also, because it seems like a weird stance for scum to take.

I think I understand what LaLight is saying here (and why it makes sense), but I'd like to hear it from LaLight himself.

@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).

I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this.

I think gkrieg has a point here; being opposed to the claim does not necessarily mean scum. However, I think it's still something worth considering.

PPE: 1

[faust]

@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).

Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.

I also don't think Calamitas is scummy from this.

I think gkrieg has a point here; being opposed to the claim does not necessarily mean scum. However, I think it's still something worth considering.

Being opposed to claiming is completely null. Calamitas is scummy for other reasons.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).

Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.

I read the setup but found out I missed a line when I reread it. And yes, I've never played this setup. I think that answers what you're asking?

[LaLight]

For example, let's look at LaLight. He has a couple of posts, right?

He opens the game by asking some questions. Not exactly sure what for... have you gotten anything out of that, LaLight? There's some fluff, and agreement with me on theory.

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

This is such a weird post. Everyone cannot be right if we're arguing for contrary things! A little townie also, because it seems like a weird stance for scum to take.

He's generally trying to move the game forward, which is nice but also null. All posts are so pleasant, none of them seem to be designed to create discussion or put the spotlight on LaLight himself, so that's not so good.

But then he gives some reads, which is good again, and unprompted too. Case on gkrieg is actually not terrible.

Okay, I think overall LaLight seems towny.

1) I haven't gotten anything from the answers to my questions. Yet.
2) Yes you can be both right, i told you why and i will repeat now: both cases are good for finding scum, though yours is good in a long term, and Calamitas' one is good for the actual situation we might have. and yes, if we do one we can't do second: that's contrary, but not the righteousness. question is what case is better and here i can't say exactly the answer.

[LaLight]

@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).

Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.

Because you read it first? :-)

[faust]

@Faust, initially I thought you were scum due to the claiming, but I'm starting to see it more as something to benefit town. Mafia already knows which PRs are in the game, so there's no revealing the existence of, say, a Doctor to them; only town doesn't know if there is one. Given the way I'm now feeling about that, I'm more inclined to see Calamitas and RR in that light (despite agreeing with them initially).

Hrum. You're actually right. You did not play this setup before, right? This is one of those instances where I don't want to punish people for reading the setup.

Because you read it first? :-)

Not that part actually. I just looked at the role roster because I thought I knew everything about how the setup worked.

[faust]

So I'm obviously an IC now

[Calamitas]

Will deliver a nore detailed analysis on the claiming thing, this thing has to get resolved before we do something different. This is one of the more important decisions in regard to towns gameplan so we should discuss this thoroughly to ensure we pick the best strategy there. Just because we are playing a newbie game here doesn't mean we shouldn't play suboptimal (at least to this extent).

[faust]

Just because we are playing a newbie game here doesn't mean we shouldn't play suboptimal (at least to this extent).

I would be careful with throwing around all these negations.

The actual suboptimal play is to not discuss reads on D1. That's way more important than some theory discussion during which we will never reach a consensus. You should focus your energy on other things.

[Roadrunner7671]

Jake and I are both back, hooray!

Don't claim!

[gkrieg13]

So I'm obviously an IC now

Every time you do this, I always think it is scummy.  Then you flip town...

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Jake and I are both back, hooray!

Don't claim!

Don't claim also I back and ready to go also Vote: RR Scum lord 101

[Roadrunner7671]

We're out of RVS, but great.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

We're out of RVS, but great.

Boi it's D-1  so were not and Alec needs to talk more if he doesn't wanna die for lurking

[Roadrunner7671]

At least we already know that the player posting is in fact Jake and his account hasn't been compromised.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote Count 1.3

Joseph (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): IDontPlayThisGame
faust (2): Calamitas, Joseph
Calamitas (1): faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

Not Voting (3): NotTheRealAlec, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday 7th December at 2pm forum time.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

vote: Jake

[LaLight]

vote: Jake

Any reasons?

[Calamitas]

Insanely busy today, will be back tomorrow.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Jake

Any reasons?

Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?

[LaLight]

vote: Jake

Any reasons?

Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?

I am interested to listen to IDPTG's reasons

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

vote: Jake

Any reasons?

Don't you kind of want to vote Jake as well?

Why Big G