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[faust]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

[gkrieg13]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

I agree with faust on this front.

[LaLight]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

I agree with faust on this front.

Do you show people how "buddying" looks like?

[Calamitas]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.

[faust]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.

As soon as people have given reads, scum has an incentive to fakeclaim; more the stronger these reads get. If you think that we have enough time to wait for a claim at every L-something, then you haven't played enough games on here.

[Calamitas]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.

As soon as people have given reads, scum has an incentive to fakeclaim; more the stronger these reads get. If you think that we have enough time to wait for a claim at every L-something, then you haven't played enough games on here.

Assume a L-2. Town claims a PR, scum counterclaims that PR. Either the town PR is lynched and the scum player the day after or the scum-player is lynched right away. If we assume random lynching, we have an IC and a scum death in 50% of all cases and a misslynch followed by a outing of a scum the day after in the other scenario. That is just a lot better than a PR claiming right away to get killed right away. The IC won't last unless we have a doctor lingering around so it is a useless one.

vote: Faust

[Joseph2302]

Vote: faust

Don't 100% agree, and also it's a newbie game, so can we let the newbies have their say more?

Like I get that people like to post, but if all the veterans talk lots and suggest everything, what fun is there for the newbies?

[LaLight]

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

[Calamitas]

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

In how far does losing a PR help town?

[LaLight]

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

In how far does losing a PR help town?

I mean IC is better than Weak Visitor for example, so it will help in two ways: we have IC and we know the scum role, so it is not many fake claims for scum. Anyway, Weak Visitor is bad even if he claims. He says he visits A, then he is dead. Killed by scum for example. Or scum makes no-kill if he visits them. So it's useless. IC is not useless.

But you are right too, in case we have counterclaims we out one of the scums for sure.

[Calamitas]

You are both right, people. Both situations will help town, but in different ways!

PPE: Joseph, you're right also, though newbies seem VLA so we just talk here

In how far does losing a PR help town?

I mean IC is better than Weak Visitor for example, so it will help in two ways: we have IC and we know the scum role, so it is not many fake claims for scum. Anyway, Weak Visitor is bad even if he claims. He says he visits A, then he is dead. Killed by scum for example. Or scum makes no-kill if he visits them. So it's useless. IC is not useless.

But you are right too, in case we have counterclaims we out one of the scums for sure.

Dead-weak-visiting-IC is not better than alive-ICable-weak-visitor. The only thing such an outing would do is forwarding the scum kill to a PR before the PR ever gets the chance to use their power. I don't thibk that is desirable.
Not claiming today is (almost) strictly better than claiming today.

[SpaceAnemone]

What happens if a Weak Visitor targets someone who is investigation immune?

The Weak Visitor is not considered to be an investigation role, so they still die if they target an investigation-immune scum player.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

There's a lot of talk of the Weak Visitor claiming, but not many of the other roles. Should they exist, I'd rather not have someone out the Doctor or Cop. I'm against claiming because I don't want to give scum something to work with N1.

[Roadrunner7671]

So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.

[LaLight]

So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.

What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!

[Roadrunner7671]

So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.

What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!

Well what do you want to talk about?

[LaLight]

So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.

What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!

Well what do you want to talk about?

Okay, first, there were some questions from me. Second, we were talking about claiming and it would be good to know your opinion on it.

[Roadrunner7671]

So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.

What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!

Well what do you want to talk about?

Okay, first, there were some questions from me. Second, we were talking about claiming and it would be good to know your opinion on it.

Uh...no. Nope. Whoever's talking about claiming on D1 is probably town though.

[Calamitas]

So we're still pretty much in RVS I guess. Alec is not VLA as far as I know, and Joseph is wayyyyy more experienced than me.

What rvs are uou talking about? Talk with us, please!

Well what do you want to talk about?

Okay, first, there were some questions from me. Second, we were talking about claiming and it would be good to know your opinion on it.

Uh...no. Nope. Whoever's talking about claiming on D1 is probably town though.

Faust is too good for that.

[faust]

Claims are awful. Every PR is an IC that becomes an IC as soon as they want to. No need to rush there and get killed, doing it whenever they actually appear to get lynched is the way to go.
Not sure what to think about faust Because of that proposal.

This is plain wrong. Claims lose credibility when D2 comes around, or at L-1. And every PR that claims now is a PR we don't quickhammer at the end of D1.

Ehm, what? It is totally fine to claim L-2, absolutely no credibility loss there. Even L-1 kinda works because in that situation scum would need to risk a 50% chance of getting lynched themselves. Not that bad odds I would say. Claiming now is just insane.

As soon as people have given reads, scum has an incentive to fakeclaim; more the stronger these reads get. If you think that we have enough time to wait for a claim at every L-something, then you haven't played enough games on here.

Assume a L-2. Town claims a PR, scum counterclaims that PR. Either the town PR is lynched and the scum player the day after or the scum-player is lynched right away. If we assume random lynching, we have an IC and a scum death in 50% of all cases and a misslynch followed by a outing of a scum the day after in the other scenario. That is just a lot better than a PR claiming right away to get killed right away. The IC won't last unless we have a doctor lingering around so it is a useless one.

vote: Faust

Mislynch followed by scum lynch is not that great in a 9 player game.

[faust]

Vote: faust

Don't 100% agree, and also it's a newbie game, so can we let the newbies have their say more?

Like I get that people like to post, but if all the veterans talk lots and suggest everything, what fun is there for the newbies?

Well, I agree in theory, but also, I haven't been in a game for like two months. There are things that I need to get out of my system.

[faust]

Plus, vets should pose an example to newbies. If vets lurk, then newbies get the impression that it's okay to lurk, and everything will be one big lurkfest. This is basically what happened in my first newbie game. (a long time ago)

[LaLight]

Plus, vets should pose an example to newbies. If vets lurk, then newbies get the impression that it's okay to lurk, and everything will be one big lurkfest. This is basically what happened in my first newbie game. (a long time ago)

That's true of course.
I'm a bit afraid Newbies will be scared to step up to our "Claim conversation" cause they don't have an opinion on it.
Also, Prod: Alec. Come here, man, tell us something about yourself.

[Calamitas]

Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...

[LaLight]

Just don't claim, why is this even a debate...

We need a way out of the RVS