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[LaLight]

VT

I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker

[LaLight]

ok, it's possible if two people got negative value modifiers.  I think we should mass claim to see if we can account for enough negative points for Calamitas's result to be possible.  I can go first.

PPE: Vanilla Agent. Are we claiming modifiers?

scumslip finally! Confirm someone, i'm scared

[LaLight]

I'll check

[EFHW]

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).

[Calamitas]

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).

They are fully hidden, even after flip.

[EFHW]

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).

I guess you think that's the scumslip?  I just assumed I didn't roll anything.

[LaLight]

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).

I guess you think that's the scumslip?  I just assumed I didn't roll anything.

Come on! You're too good! If you're scum, i'm your fan till the end of times!

[LaLight]

Here's my proposal that once worked. Artificial votes in italics.

vote: efhw

[Robz888]

VT

I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker

You say both that you believe Calamitas and that you don't believe Calamitas!

[Robz888]

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).

I guess you think that's the scumslip?  I just assumed I didn't roll anything.

Come on! You're too good! If you're scum, i'm your fan till the end of times!

Yeah, that strikes me as a legit scum slip. Not 100% but pretty strong. Maybe 70%.

[LaLight]

Also, everyone plz: top town/top scum. That will help the next day.

Top town: Robz
Top scum: EFHW

[Robz888]

LaLight, don't you think Calamitas is scum for certain? I also think EFHW is his partner, but I mean, the possibility you raised--Calamitas and Space having worked this out--would mean lynching EFHW before Calamitas is wrong.

[Robz888]

Also, everyone plz: top town/top scum. That will help the next day.

Top town: Robz
Top scum: EFHW

There's no more reads. You are town, Calamitas is scum. Either it's EFHW (which makes most sense given previous day wagons), or Space (because of the terrifying possibility that you pointed out).

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker

I don't follow your argument about one of us having to be scum at all. I think it's feasible for Calamitas to be a tracker, though it's convenient for him that his claimed N1 result is unverifiable.

[EFHW]

I'm not that good.  I scumslip all the time.  But this was just a town mistake. 

I do wonder why Calamitas trusted his result in this case, though. SA could have a framed modifier or have been framed by the JOAT, or Calamitas could have the random modifier.  If SA is framed, Calamitas could still have the Weak modifier since they would actually be town.

I realize some of this ground has been covered already.  I'm just catching up since this latest revelation.

[EFHW]

I think vote: Calamitas, since he seems to have understood just how hidden the modifiers were yet presented his finding as though it were fact.

[LaLight]

I'm not that good.  I scumslip all the time.  But this was just a town mistake. 

I do wonder why Calamitas trusted his result in this case, though. SA could have a framed modifier or have been framed by the JOAT, or Calamitas could have the random modifier.  If SA is framed, Calamitas could still have the Weak modifier since they would actually be town.

I realize some of this ground has been covered already.  I'm just catching up since this latest revelation.

What joat are you talking about?... that was not a townslip. I don't believe you :p

[LaLight]

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think vote: Calamitas, since he seems to have understood just how hidden the modifiers were yet presented his finding as though it were fact.

Who do you see Calamitas being in a scum pairing with?

[EFHW]

So why does scum!Calamitas lie now? 

PPE: you or Robz.

[Robz888]

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.

What does "nowhere to run yet" mean?

[Calamitas]

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.

[Robz888]

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
Argh.
Wanted to vote: Calamitas
Nowhere to run yet.

What does "nowhere to run yet" mean?

Also, yes, but I'm never lynching you at this point so it's also true for me: if you're scum, brilliantly well played, you deserve this.

[LaLight]

So.

Town on SA though they're very dangerous. But who's not here?
There can't be robz/EFHW pairing or we'd see a qh.

Let's vote: Calamitas

[EFHW]

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.

So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?