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[EFHW]

I think Calamitas should get his mass claim wish today.

[Robz888]

Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.

Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.

Why them? Are you also a pr?

No, but POE at this point. EFHW's lynch was so hard because she's scum, and Calamitas was the one who killed that. Well, Calamitas has to be scum no matter what, virtually. Not surprising that he's trying to frame Space.

[SpaceAnemone]

gkrieg - when you rolled for roles and modifiers, did you alternate?  Which did you do first?

Check out the posts at #630 and #633.

The fact he felt the need to clarify at #633 makes me think that there could be quite a lot of modifiers in play.

[Robz888]

If you give me some time I can re-read and construct a more full case for why it's Calamitas/EFHW.

[gkrieg13]

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(

First, maths is great
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

Correct.  Except I switched 1 and 3 this time.  I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.

I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.

[SpaceAnemone]

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

[SpaceAnemone]

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA

Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.

Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.

Yep, but it is still very strong evidence. The chance that either I am random or you are framed is so little considering we have 12 players.

We started with 9 players, 2 of whom were scum. If you're telling the truth, we must have at least two instances of modifier 1 or 2. And you rule out yourself being weak because you think you targeted scum last night, so either Jake or Faust was week, or at least one of you is random, or we have a significant number of framed/macho/miller VTs (at least 4, possibly 6+). If you're telling the truth, we only have 3 VTs in the game, so even just one instance of "random" landing on a VT means all three of us get a modifier.

[Calamitas]

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

One vt gets all of them in case.

[gkrieg13]

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

I think you might be misunderstanding. If I roll a Random/Other stuff then I assign it to a town player. If it is assign d to a PR, they become a random PR. If assigned to a VT then that VT is macho and framed and witness. All three are applied to the one VT

[LaLight]

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

Can't believe you haven't asked this in your QT

[LaLight]

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

[Robz888]

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?

[SpaceAnemone]

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

I think you might be misunderstanding. If I roll a Random/Other stuff then I assign it to a town player. If it is assign d to a PR, they become a random PR. If assigned to a VT then that VT is macho and framed and witness. All three are applied to the one VT

Thanks! Yeah, I thought the thing about modifiers going to different people if they don't already have one meant that the three extras all went to different VTs.

[LaLight]

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?

To 100% ic himself or sa if we lynch Calamitas so next day it's guaranteed win

[Robz888]

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?

To 100% ic himself or sa if we lynch Calamitas so next day it's guaranteed win

Gah, I'm rusty. Yes, of course. Ugh.

[Robz888]

Well, but Calamitas's prior actions make most sense if he's EFHW's partner.

[SpaceAnemone]

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

[Robz888]

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Yes, important questions, answer immediately please.

[LaLight]

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Oh of course. Obvious questions, thank you.

[Calamitas]

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.

[SpaceAnemone]

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.

Erm... why was tracking faust useful N1?

[Calamitas]

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.

Erm... why was tracking faust useful N1?

He claimed tracker and there has been a decent chance he would survive since there has been an IC out there. So I want to check whether his claims stands after a potential survival.

[SpaceAnemone]

Robz, LL and EFHW, could the three of you all please confirm that you're not claiming town PRs too?

I'm claiming VT, in case that wasn't clear from before!

[Robz888]

I am a VT.

[EFHW]

ok, it's possible if two people got negative value modifiers.  I think we should mass claim to see if we can account for enough negative points for Calamitas's result to be possible.  I can go first.

PPE: Vanilla Agent. Are we claiming modifiers?