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[Robz888]

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.

What makes you think EFHW and I are partners?

[Calamitas]

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?

First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.

I think that we shouldn't mass claim

Why?

[LaLight]

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.

What makes you think EFHW and I are partners?

You don't speak with each other much but don't distance either. Always ready to bus.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?

First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.

I think that we shouldn't mass claim

Why?

1. It tells the scum who to kill as well as creates conflict over who is lying and who isn't
2. Vote: Calm
3. I vote you because scum would want a mass claim to know who to kill and who to target

[Calamitas]

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?

First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.

I think that we shouldn't mass claim

Why?

1. It tells the scum who to kill as well as creates conflict over who is lying and who isn't
2. Vote: Calm
3. I vote you because scum would want a mass claim to know who to kill and who to target

That one is actually pretty desirable

[Robz888]

What do you think about a massclaim?

I don't think massclaim is a good idea, but I think bringing it up here is pretty townish, actually. For a couple reasons. Even though such things often help scum, I find that scum are pretty cautious about initiating them, whereas townies get all excited about spilling the beans. It's an earnest suggestion that I just don't think scum would actually make, in calamitas's situation, because it can look so bad.

[SpaceAnemone]

What do you think about a massclaim?

I don't think massclaim is a good idea, but I think bringing it up here is pretty townish, actually. For a couple reasons. Even though such things often help scum, I find that scum are pretty cautious about initiating them, whereas townies get all excited about spilling the beans. It's an earnest suggestion that I just don't think scum would actually make, in calamitas's situation, because it can look so bad.

Okay, "such things often help scum" is a very hand-wavy general argument. For this specific game state, given what we know about roles and modifiers, does it hold?

Calamitas, you pointed out earlier that we don't know anything about modifiers even after the flip, which is true, but we do know in this specific case that e's IC-ness comes about from the modifiers list rather than the roles list. I think that pushes the marginal likelihood of the existence of another PR down a little, but I've still not run the numbers at all because of illness and Pandemic Legacy, which together have mostly occupied my day :-P

[Robz888]

Okay, "such things often help scum" is a very hand-wavy general argument. For this specific game state, given what we know about roles and modifiers, does it hold?

I really don't know. I do not feel like I understand this setup as well as other people.

[LaLight]

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all

[Calamitas]

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all

But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

[LaLight]

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all

But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.

[Calamitas]

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all

But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.

Not that sure. We have an IC after all which will be a primary target either way.

[LaLight]

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all

But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.

Not that sure. We have an IC after all which will be a primary target either way.

Nope. Better kill the PR than VT-IC (see faust). If we mislynch today, we're at lylo tomorrow and no one guarantees that E will do the right thing (though he narrows the lynchpool being IC)
All in all I'm against massclaim, though I'm for it D3.

[EFHW]

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

[LaLight]

Simple PoE shows that I'm kinda right.

I believe now Calamitas is town. E is town. Jake seems town. Me is town.

This leaves SA, Robz, EFHW. SA is a hard opponent if scum. I'll look further.
This leaves EFHW and Robz.

[Robz888]

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.

Vote: EFHW

[LaLight]

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.

Vote: EFHW

hm, bussing now?

[EFHW]

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.

Vote: EFHW

I realized the setup is super complicated and that I am intimidated by your past scum performances, making me distrust everything you say. POE does leave with me with you and Jake as the scum, but I'm going with Jake first.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

1. What case do you have on me?
2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
3. That vote and case is nothing Vote: EFHW

[EFHW]

The case is your tunnelling SA and this:

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum

"Definitely" a veteran scum?

And a lack of towny contributions.

[EFHW]

2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you

Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

The case is your tunnelling SA and this:

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum

"Definitely" a veteran scum?

And a lack of towny contributions.

One go back i have told my reads more than most people in the game
Two it's to hard to figure out who's scum which means their is most likely/definitely a vet scum

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you

Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.

Also i'm always defensive ask anyone i have played with

[LaLight]

EFHW IS ON L-1.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

EFHW IS ON L-1.

Coool vote him someone