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M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« on: October 17, 2016, 11:53:17 am »

Welcome to M88: Covert Affairs Mafia by gkrieg13.

This game is for 9 players, and is an invented, semi-open setup designed by gkrieg13.

Co-mod:

Sign ups are open.


1. LaLight
2. RoadRunner Calder Michaels, the Vanilla Agent
3. faust Eyal, the Tracker
4. JakeTheBaseballGod22
5. Calamitas
6. Robz888
7. EFHW
8. SpaceAnemone
9. e

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The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by your role QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Quoting of QTs is forbidden as well
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or fewer players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, Green foresty gray color text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please write to the Mod in your role QT. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently, especially because I am a new mod. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via your role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last more than 36 hours but less than 48 hours.
3. Night action phase submission deadline will be 36 hours after the night begins.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2016, 11:53:26 am »

Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.

Roles:
  • Tracker: 4
  • Watcher: 4
  • Vigilante: 3
  • Neapolitan: 3
  • Doctor: 2
  • Roleblocker: 2
  • Bodyguard: 1

Modifiers (modifiers in parenthesis will be applied to VTs):
  • Random/(Framed and Macho and Miller): -3
  • Weak/((Framed or Macho or Miller) x 2): -2
  • Miller: 0
  • Framed: 0
  • Macho: 0
  • Vanillaising/(1-shot Bulletproof): 3
  • Loud/(ICified): 4

Description of Modifiers:
  • Random: If A targets B, instead A will target someone at random (includes targeting self)
  • Weak: If A targets B and B is mafia, A dies
  • Miller: always shown incorrectly (VT as PR and vice versa) to a Neapolitan
  • Framed: always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher/tracker
  • Macho: Can't be protected by the doctor
  • Vanillaising: If A targets B, B gets the affect of A's targeting and also B now becomes vanilla (VT or Goon)
  • Loud: If A targets B, B is notified they were targeted by A.

Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Framer(can choose a player, that player is Framed that night))
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher

Mafia will also know what roles there are in the game, but not what modifiers are present



All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 11:53:32 am »

Flavor Post

Flavor will be taken from the TV show Covert Affairs.  Flavor will have no effect on the game and will be minimal.

Each player will be given a flavor name at random (except in the case of an IC).  Mafia then will also be given a mafia flavor name of either Henry Wilcox or Lena Smith, the enemies to the CIA.

VT PM:

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Welcome to Covert Affairs Mafia [Player name]!

[flavor about character]

You are [Flavor Name],
the Vanilla Agent.

Win Condition:

You win when all threats to the CIA are dead!


Please /confirm by PM


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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2016, 11:55:42 am »

/in though I don't know the flavor :(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2016, 11:56:53 am »

/in though I don't know the flavor :(

I don't expect many people to know the flavor.  It is a tolerable TV show that my wife and I like to watch together.  We enjoy it, but I don't expect many other people to have even heard of it.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2016, 12:09:12 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2016, 12:15:25 pm »

In!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2016, 12:18:01 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2016, 12:47:17 pm »

What do you think about this?

Quote from: silverspawn
A few things I think are off
- Neapolitan is 1. I'd have put it at 4. That's possibly the second-strongest role
- Town RB is 1. pretty strong role, too. 3 I think.

Compared to that, tracker could be 2 or 3. Generally, a lot of those roles are quite good. Bodyguard and doctor are the weakest ones.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2016, 01:07:23 pm »

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2016, 03:04:39 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2016, 05:58:10 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2016, 06:19:10 pm »

What do you think about this?

Quote from: silverspawn
A few things I think are off
- Neapolitan is 1. I'd have put it at 4. That's possibly the second-strongest role
- Town RB is 1. pretty strong role, too. 3 I think.

Compared to that, tracker could be 2 or 3. Generally, a lot of those roles are quite good. Bodyguard and doctor are the weakest ones.

I think that Neapolitan is not the second strongest role, although I might take out the rolecop and just have the Neapolitan.  I also disagree about the RB.  I think it is good at LYLO, but before that it is a negative utility for town. 

I agree that the roles are quite good.  I think the way to buff the mafia is to give them the exact setup, so they can plan their fakeclaims/JOAT choices better. 

The big thing about this setup is that the roles and modifiers can be kind of swingy.  Random on a VT basically just gives town an extra PR for free, where Random on a PR can essentially nuke the PR.  I like it being there though because it gives some variability to results so you can't trust them.  All of the ways that I've thought of changing the setup make it more complicated, which is something I'm trying to avoid.  I mean ways to change it would be to remove modifiers that don't affect players because a PR isn't present (framed, witness, miller, macho).  But I kind of like the fact that the setup has a lot of variability. 

I think the best thing to do would be to buff scum by telling them the setup (roles only, not modifiers), so they can better choose their fakeclaims.  But I also could take out JK and Rolecop, because those are probably the most powerful roles.

Wow, sorry this turned into such an essay.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2016, 07:23:28 pm »

What do you think about this?

Quote from: silverspawn
A few things I think are off
- Neapolitan is 1. I'd have put it at 4. That's possibly the second-strongest role
- Town RB is 1. pretty strong role, too. 3 I think.

Compared to that, tracker could be 2 or 3. Generally, a lot of those roles are quite good. Bodyguard and doctor are the weakest ones.

I think that Neapolitan is not the second strongest role, although I might take out the rolecop and just have the Neapolitan.  I also disagree about the RB.  I think it is good at LYLO, but before that it is a negative utility for town. 

I agree that the roles are quite good.  I think the way to buff the mafia is to give them the exact setup, so they can plan their fakeclaims/JOAT choices better. 

The big thing about this setup is that the roles and modifiers can be kind of swingy.  Random on a VT basically just gives town an extra PR for free, where Random on a PR can essentially nuke the PR.  I like it being there though because it gives some variability to results so you can't trust them.  All of the ways that I've thought of changing the setup make it more complicated, which is something I'm trying to avoid.  I mean ways to change it would be to remove modifiers that don't affect players because a PR isn't present (framed, witness, miller, macho).  But I kind of like the fact that the setup has a lot of variability. 

I think the best thing to do would be to buff scum by telling them the setup (roles only, not modifiers), so they can better choose their fakeclaims.  But I also could take out JK and Rolecop, because those are probably the most powerful roles.

Wow, sorry this turned into such an essay.

I had an idea: what if Random VT made them into an unbeknownst-to-them Random Visitor? Then they are actually somewhat negative utility (if they get caught by a tracker after claiming VT, say).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2016, 07:40:55 pm »

^That's a good suggestion.

While this wouldn't necessarily fix balance, though I don't think this is something that can be fixed with how the setup is structured -- which is fine as simplicity and variety are what makes the setup appealing, you could say when a player gets a modifier assigned to them that would have no effect (say, Vanillaizing on a VT), randomly assign it to someone else until it actually has a function.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2016, 09:09:48 pm »

Okay, but Neapolitan has direct alignment-indicative powers. it really has no place at 1. Compare to to anything with 3 or fewer points, it's stronger than all of those.

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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2016, 11:01:15 am »

Okay, but Neapolitan has direct alignment-indicative powers. it really has no place at 1. Compare to to anything with 3 or fewer points, it's stronger than all of those.
I agree.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2016, 11:38:20 am »

Ok I made some minor changes to the setup.  I took out JK and Rolecop, upped Neapolitan to a 3 and RB to a 2.  I also collapsed Witness and Framed into one modifier, and changed the Godfather shot to a Framed shot.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2016, 12:15:32 pm »

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Town Wins (4-11) 26.7% M88L, M89L, NM9L, M91L, M95L, M97L,NM10W, RMM41L, M100L, M103L, M105W, M107W, RMM45W, M109L, RMM46L

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2016, 02:21:23 pm »

Question: how does framed work for a targeting role? Does it show them as targeting two people or just the killed person?
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2016, 03:38:07 pm »

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2016, 03:47:59 pm »

Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?

I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2016, 04:10:09 pm »

Question: how does framed work for a targeting role? Does it show them as targeting two people or just the killed person?

The modifier would trump the target in this case and it would only show them as targeting the killed person.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2016, 04:20:09 pm »

Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?

I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.

I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common.  Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker.  They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.

I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs.  What do people think?
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2016, 05:19:13 pm »

Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?

I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.

I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common.  Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker.  They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.

I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs.  What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.

I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".
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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2016, 05:56:37 pm »

Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?

I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.

I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common.  Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker.  They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.

I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs.  What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.

I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".

That is what weak is supposed to be.
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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2016, 07:22:42 pm »

You have ascetic as a positive modifier (+2) for VT. Ascetic is negative utility on a VT.
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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2016, 12:00:50 am »

Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?

I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.

I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common.  Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker.  They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.

I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs.  What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.

I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".

That is what weak is supposed to be.
I meant that all three vs. one of the negative modifiers shouldn't be worth -3 vs. -2 points since the former is way worse.
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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2016, 11:44:35 am »

How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2016, 12:09:30 pm »

Shouldn't miller/framed have negative utilities? And what exactly does vanillaising do?

I like the suggestion that modifiers which don't do anything for VTs are handled as a different modifier with an effect in that cases.

I didn't put negative utilities on them because they aren't that common.  Miller needs a neapolitan to actually target you, which isn't that likely, and the same goes for the watcher/tracker.  They are so unlikely to happen, that they are pretty null.

I changed the setup to now include different modifiers for VTs.  What do people think?
Forgot about the first part, you're right in that case.

I like the different modifiers, though i think the discrepany between random and weak (on the vt side) is too big. I think one of them should be "two out of miller/framed/macho".

That is what weak is supposed to be.
I meant that all three vs. one of the negative modifiers shouldn't be worth -3 vs. -2 points since the former is way worse.

There is supposed to be a x2 for the -2 section.  So -3 is all three and -2 is two out of miller/framed/macho.

How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?

I switch off.  So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Open for Signups!)
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2016, 12:25:27 pm »

How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?

I switch off.  So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
What happens if this process does not terminate until you picked 7 PRs? Like you could have a game with 7 Random Roleblockers, and end up with a score of -7.
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2016, 12:27:08 pm »

Okay, so it is guaranteed that n <= m <= n+1 with n being the number of roles and m being the number of modifiers. Good to know that :)
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2016, 01:08:13 pm »

How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?

I switch off.  So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
What happens if this process does not terminate until you picked 7 PRs? Like you could have a game with 7 Random Roleblockers, and end up with a score of -7.

Well I guess I would just keep going. Just keep choosing roles and modifiers. I mean clearly this isn't going to happen. But I guess you could just stop after each player has a role and modifier
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2016, 01:12:21 pm »

How exactly does the randomizing work? Is there one pool and modifiers and roles are picked from that pool until the sum is greater than 7?

I switch off.  So I start with a modifier then pick a role and continue until the sum is greater than or equal to 7
What happens if this process does not terminate until you picked 7 PRs? Like you could have a game with 7 Random Roleblockers, and end up with a score of -7.

Well I guess I would just keep going. Just keep choosing roles and modifiers. I mean clearly this isn't going to happen. But I guess you could just stop after each player has a role and modifier
Since such a setup would be unbalanced I would propose setting a lower limit for that case in which a rerun is done. Not sure what is fair, probably 5 or so.
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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2016, 01:17:22 pm »

1 Role = Impossible
2 Roles = 41%
3 Roles = 31%
4 Roles = 16%
5 Roles = 07%
6 Roles = 03%
7 Roles = 02%

Not likely, but it could happen. 2% isn't anything like 0.01% which we sometimes have for most extreme setups.

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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2016, 01:18:36 pm »

1 Role = Impossible
2 Roles = 41%
3 Roles = 31%
4 Roles = 16%
5 Roles = 07%
6 Roles = 03%
7 Roles = 02%

Not likely, but it could happen. 2% isn't anything like 0.01% which we sometimes have for most extreme setups.
We are speaking of 7 roles + 7 modifiers with a sum still lower than 7
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2016, 01:21:32 pm »

as am I.

Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2016, 01:26:08 pm »

as am I.

Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.
The probabilty should be a little lower since the expectation value of a random role went up from 2.625 to 2.714
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2016, 02:26:14 pm »

Can we talk about this somewhere else? I'm trying to see who /inned and I'm just greeted with math  :P
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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2016, 02:27:19 pm »

Can we talk about this somewhere else? I'm trying to see who /inned and I'm just greeted with math  :P
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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2016, 03:17:25 pm »

as am I.

Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.

I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
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« Reply #41 on: October 19, 2016, 03:20:31 pm »

as am I.

Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.

I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
It doesn't make it more complicated, I think silver means that the script he wrote for m85 doesn't deliver accurate results anymore with the changes.

What do you think of my suggestion in regard to the algorithm? (If 7 roles and modifiers are randomized and the sum is below x, the roll is ignored and another one is taken due to balance problems. I would suggest to set x to 5)
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« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2016, 03:24:22 pm »

as am I.

Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.

I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
It doesn't make it more complicated, I think silver means that the script he wrote for m85 doesn't deliver accurate results anymore with the changes.

What do you think of my suggestion in regard to the algorithm? (If 7 roles and modifiers are randomized and the sum is below x, the roll is ignored and another one is taken due to balance problems. I would suggest to set x to 5)

I really think the probability of this happening is low enough that I would just reroll the entire setup, or just stop when this happens (because who doesn't want to see a game with 7 random RBs right?).  I would probably just stop when all town have roles and modifiers.
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« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2016, 03:32:47 pm »

as am I.

Admittedly these numbers are from before the Neapolitan change which we just talked gkrieg into. That might change them a bit. Edit: and I see there are actually more changes. In that case they've probably changed a bunch.

I changed them in a way that will make it more fun (it should be more balanced), but that doesn't make it overly complicated (I hope)
It doesn't make it more complicated, I think silver means that the script he wrote for m85 doesn't deliver accurate results anymore with the changes.

What do you think of my suggestion in regard to the algorithm? (If 7 roles and modifiers are randomized and the sum is below x, the roll is ignored and another one is taken due to balance problems. I would suggest to set x to 5)

I really think the probability of this happening is low enough that I would just reroll the entire setup, or just stop when this happens (because who doesn't want to see a game with 7 random RBs right?).  I would probably just stop when all town have roles and modifiers.
I meant rerolling the whole setup in such a case :D
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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2016, 03:35:38 pm »

I you do put in hard "re-roll setup"-rules, make sure to announce them before you randomize it.

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« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2016, 05:41:09 pm »

I'll put in that I also stop if all players have roles and modifiers
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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2016, 10:55:10 am »

This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
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« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2016, 10:57:42 am »

This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
Too few players right now :/
Silver and igu are on a break as far as I know. Additionally, M87 is running parallel. But yeah, this should fill faster :)
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« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2016, 05:06:29 pm »

This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
Too few players right now :/
Silver and igu are on a break as far as I know. Additionally, M87 is running parallel. But yeah, this should fill faster :)
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2016, 05:07:10 pm »

This is a 9 player game, what's the holdup?
Too few players right now :/
Silver and igu are on a break as far as I know. Additionally, M87 is running parallel. But yeah, this should fill faster :)
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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2016, 09:05:52 pm »

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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2016, 10:34:10 am »

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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2016, 10:50:55 am »

Yey!
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2016, 11:19:44 am »

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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2016, 12:08:04 am »

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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2016, 12:13:50 am »

and we're full!  Game starts tomorrow morning!
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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2016, 08:27:04 am »

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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2016, 08:47:27 am »

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« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2016, 10:15:37 am »

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« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2016, 12:06:37 pm »

PMs are on their way out.  No one will receive a QT.

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« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2016, 12:51:53 pm »

PMs are out.  Please /confirm by PM.

Day 1 will start some time tomorrow if everyone has confirmed.

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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2016, 02:34:28 pm »

Descriptions of modifiers have been added to the OP.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2016, 11:48:06 am »

Auggie, I don't think I can do this any more. They have taken too much away from me. I'm bringing them in.

You don't have to do this Annie. They have a whole team ready to take down the both of them.

I know what has to be done.  They need to be taken down discretely and covertly.  I'm on it.

No Annie! ..click..  Henry and Lena will pay for this.  Send in the team.


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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2016, 11:48:14 am »

Vote Count 1.0


Not Voting (9): LaLight, RoadRunner, faust, JakeTheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, e


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2016, 11:48:53 am »

Hi, guys, nice to see you again!

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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2016, 12:11:24 pm »

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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2016, 12:12:39 pm »

Yep. Interesting why GKrieg didn't tell us who's scum.
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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2016, 12:24:58 pm »

Hi, guys, nice to see you again!

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2016, 12:26:49 pm »

Hi, guys, nice to see you again!

vote: Calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2016, 12:47:23 pm »

I'm in a game again - with Robz!

Vote: Robz welcome back!
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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2016, 01:07:34 pm »

Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2016, 01:17:47 pm »

Hey guys
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« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2016, 01:19:04 pm »

Hey RR you should vote Robz
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2016, 05:01:23 pm »

Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!

Vote: EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2016, 05:05:57 pm »

It's a small game, that tends to slow things down.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2016, 05:06:47 pm »

Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?
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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2016, 05:07:58 pm »

Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
YOu have to leave a space if you want the vote to count. I think: Not sure about gkrieg's policy there.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2016, 05:14:22 pm »

Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?

I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2016, 05:20:00 pm »

Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz
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« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2016, 05:58:15 pm »

My very first game as an IC. How fun
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2016, 06:02:17 pm »

Hello new friends, hello old friends!

Vote: Jake forever and ever until the end of time. That guy has it out for me...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2016, 06:02:56 pm »

E, EFHW, faust: any interesting innovations in Forum Mafia during the two years I was retired?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2016, 06:37:42 pm »

Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2016, 08:04:39 pm »

Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
It's uh...it's actually not called that
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2016, 08:10:21 pm »

Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
It's uh...it's actually not called that

D-1 Vote Baseballing
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2016, 08:11:38 pm »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
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« Reply #88 on: November 02, 2016, 08:16:51 pm »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am
I can definitely see where you're coming from with that
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2016, 08:31:31 pm »

Wow robz it's nothing personal it's called D-1 Vote Throwing
It's uh...it's actually not called that
How about D-1 Vote Fun
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #90 on: November 02, 2016, 10:08:54 pm »

E, EFHW, faust: any interesting innovations in Forum Mafia during the two years I was retired?

yuma left, came back, then left again.  But we don't need to get into that.  Ashersky retired from playing.  He has currently finished Dune 8 and is working on the setup for Dune 15 right now.  We will eventually catch up to him.  New people showed up, others kind of disappeared.  Like, where did AndrewisFTTW go is my question?

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2016, 10:45:14 pm »

Hi everyone.  Been watching the World Series. I assume Jake is as well.

Welcome back Robz.  Biggest news is liopoil turned 18 on Halloween and applied to college the next day. Feel old now?

I was getting disheartened with mafia for awhile because it had become less serious, more "gut reads" from everyone, but we have a new crop of players that are taking it seriously so I've been playing more.

No reads yet, go figure.
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« Reply #92 on: November 02, 2016, 11:54:28 pm »

Hi everyone.  Been watching the World Series. I assume Jake is as well.

Welcome back Robz.  Biggest news is liopoil turned 18 on Halloween and applied to college the next day. Feel old now?

I was getting disheartened with mafia for awhile because it had become less serious, more "gut reads" from everyone, but we have a new crop of players that are taking it seriously so I've been playing more.

No reads yet, go figure.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #93 on: November 02, 2016, 11:56:23 pm »

Hi everyone.  Been watching the World Series. I assume Jake is as well.

Welcome back Robz.  Biggest news is liopoil turned 18 on Halloween and applied to college the next day. Feel old now?

I was getting disheartened with mafia for awhile because it had become less serious, more "gut reads" from everyone, but we have a new crop of players that are taking it seriously so I've been playing more.

No reads yet, go figure.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #94 on: November 02, 2016, 11:58:18 pm »

#firstworldproblems
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2016, 12:02:28 am »

If theirs a game 8 I'm gonna die #DreamsComingTrue #WorldSerisGame8
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #96 on: November 03, 2016, 12:07:09 am »

#ExtraInnings #HereWeGoAgian
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« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2016, 12:50:48 am »

#TheDroughtIsOver #CubsWin # ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2016, 02:55:43 am »

Vote: Jake #hashtagsmustdie
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #99 on: November 03, 2016, 02:58:09 am »

What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
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« Reply #100 on: November 03, 2016, 03:00:51 am »

E, EFHW, faust: any interesting innovations in Forum Mafia during the two years I was retired?
After a cleverly orchestrated coup, gkrieg and I have taken over the power in this subforum!

There has been a drop in deep analysis I think. I mean enough people are still around that do that, but we also have more people playing the way mail-mi did back in the day. (he has definitely improved since his return though!)

I had a really good run in 2016, but recently I think I'm on a 5 or 6 game losing streak. Let's hope this doesn't continue.
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« Reply #101 on: November 03, 2016, 03:02:22 am »

What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.

Going by Jake's profile picture, I assume it's Baseball. Which is funny because I always was under the impression that noone outside of the US actually plays that.
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« Reply #102 on: November 03, 2016, 03:03:06 am »

Going by Jake's profile picture
Also, like, their name.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #103 on: November 03, 2016, 03:16:58 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #104 on: November 03, 2016, 06:59:19 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!

Except if you go by forum time :-P And I've already said somewhere else that I think voting me is a scum tell for you ;-)
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« Reply #105 on: November 03, 2016, 07:10:07 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!

Except if you go by forum time :-P And I've already said somewhere else that I think voting me is a scum tell for you ;-)

This strange situation when I voting for you seem scummy and I voting for Calamitas make him tunnel me. Soon there'll be only one person I can vote. Who would that be? :)
Fine with my vote :P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #106 on: November 03, 2016, 08:45:09 am »

What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
LaLight the World Series is the final series of games in the MLB(Major Leauge Baseball best leauge in the world located in the USA) It is the championship game between the two best teams. Like a champions league final but a best of 7 series and last night the final game lasted until 2am ET and was the best World Series game 7 I've ever seen and Baseball is the main sport in most country's in America pretty popular in Italy and England as well as Eastern Asia
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #107 on: November 03, 2016, 09:10:45 am »

Baseball is the main sport in most country's in America pretty popular in Italy and England as well as Eastern Asia

I've never heard of anyone watching/playing/being interested in it here in the UK.

It does have pretty neat distinctive pitches, though -- one of the things about going in to land at American airports is that you can often see their baseball diamonds on the ground there. I don't recall ever having seen anything similar in Canada or the rest of Europe or further afield where I've been in recent years :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #108 on: November 03, 2016, 09:12:52 am »

Back to the game please, I've lost interest on the very first mention of baseball.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #109 on: November 03, 2016, 09:14:20 am »

What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.

Going by Jake's profile picture, I assume it's Baseball. Which is funny because I always was under the impression that noone outside of the US actually plays that.
But here in the U.S. we are the world, or so we thought when the World Series was named. Some of us know better now.

So when are we going to start playing mafia?  Lalight mentioned SA change in playstyle.  I'd expect them to be evolving, though. I think I'll vote: faust for a reason I won't mention yet.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #110 on: November 03, 2016, 09:25:50 am »

evolving

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« Reply #111 on: November 03, 2016, 09:35:18 am »

What is World Series? I googled and found Poker Wirld Series, but i assume this is not the case.
Baseball playoffs afaik
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« Reply #112 on: November 03, 2016, 09:40:20 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
But he played like that as either alignment, didn't he? Which makes a change of play style pretty alignment unindicative.
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« Reply #113 on: November 03, 2016, 09:42:28 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
But he played like that as either alignment, didn't he? Which makes a change of play style pretty alignment unindicative.

Either you're speaking of me or you use pronouns really badly. Pick one :)
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« Reply #114 on: November 03, 2016, 09:48:05 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.
But he played like that as either alignment, didn't he? Which makes a change of play style pretty alignment unindicative.

Either you're speaking of me or you use pronouns really badly. Pick one :)
It's the latter and I am really really sorry again even though it's becoming implausible. Will do my best to avoid that in the further game.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #115 on: November 03, 2016, 10:24:57 am »

1. England has a team in the WBC (World Baseball Classic) 2. I would like everyone's oppion before i vote
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #116 on: November 03, 2016, 10:29:44 am »

Vote: Jake
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« Reply #117 on: November 03, 2016, 10:30:03 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #118 on: November 03, 2016, 10:32:46 am »

Thanks for the catchup posts, E, EFHW, faust.
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« Reply #119 on: November 03, 2016, 10:34:20 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.

I looked back at SA's posts. They aren't that serious. What are you talking about?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #120 on: November 03, 2016, 10:36:17 am »

vote: SA
Semi-serious.
Will explain when it's not 3 am

It's not 3 am anymore yay!
So far from 3 posts made by SA I can say that their play-style changed. Right, you can point me towards NM8 and you'll be right but still. Earlier SA on RVS was just making fun and posted some relaxed things and now they are trying to seriously treat the game from the first post and in every post after that.

I looked back at SA's posts. They aren't that serious. What are you talking about?

Well, they are. Asking what green means, telling that game is silent so we need to do smth. Posts are game-oriented imo, which is usually not the case for SA.
Again, that's just a clue I grabbed, it's semi-serious, I'm looking at reactions for now (seems like it's working)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #121 on: November 03, 2016, 10:39:01 am »

Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!

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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?

I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)

Not to be all like "in my day, we walked fifteen miles in the snow just to write our posts," but is this actually what passes for "serious" now?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #122 on: November 03, 2016, 10:39:51 am »

Don't mean to jump down your throat, though. I like speedily moving out of RVS, and I appreciate when people move us in that direction.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #123 on: November 03, 2016, 10:41:21 am »

Don't mean to jump down your throat, though. I like speedily moving out of RVS, and I appreciate when people move us in that direction.

I don't like RVS at all actually.
You can jump on my throat to see what will happen next. That's fine.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #124 on: November 03, 2016, 10:43:36 am »

Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!

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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?

I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)

Not to be all like "in my day, we walked fifteen miles in the snow just to write our posts," but is this actually what passes for "serious" now?

As i said before all posts are game-oriented, without a bit of fluff. That's not SA's case in a few games we participated together :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: November 03, 2016, 10:48:50 am »

Reread this game and reread M87 and SA posts are so diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt from that game to now. Makes me very suspicious so for now Vote: SpaceAnemone
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: November 03, 2016, 10:50:22 am »

Reread this game and reread M87 and SA posts are so diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt from that game to now. Makes me very suspicious so for now Vote: SpaceAnemone

don't speak about ongoing games please :)
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« Reply #127 on: November 03, 2016, 10:52:33 am »

Reread this game and reread M87 and SA posts are so diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt from that game to now. Makes me very suspicious so for now Vote: SpaceAnemone

don't speak about ongoing games please :)
ok sorry
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: November 03, 2016, 11:01:48 am »

Ok found other done games with SA and i think lalight is right
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: November 03, 2016, 11:07:47 am »

diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt
Could you please not do that? Thanks.
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« Reply #130 on: November 03, 2016, 11:18:26 am »

There aren't that many players here. Reducing the lynchpool should be pretty effective. Let's do it.

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e

Well there's only 4 people left, isn't that nice? Of those I like Vote: Calamitas.

Hi, guys, nice to see you again!

vote: Calamitas
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« Reply #131 on: November 03, 2016, 11:19:32 am »

You can barely see that e is struck through. He is of course.
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« Reply #132 on: November 03, 2016, 11:44:32 am »

There aren't that many players here. Reducing the lynchpool should be pretty effective. Let's do it.

LaLight
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Well there's only 4 people left, isn't that nice? Of those I like Vote: Calamitas.

Hi, guys, nice to see you again!

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« Reply #133 on: November 03, 2016, 11:48:08 am »

diiiffffieeerrrnnnttt
Could you please not do that? Thanks.
Just exaggerating bro chill
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: November 03, 2016, 11:48:55 am »

There aren't that many players here. Reducing the lynchpool should be pretty effective. Let's do it.

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Well there's only 4 people left, isn't that nice? Of those I like Vote: Calamitas.

Hi, guys, nice to see you again!

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Why not Jake?
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« Reply #135 on: November 03, 2016, 12:12:14 pm »

Why not Jake?
Such a carefree attitude is difficult for newb!scum. Also newbie pass.
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« Reply #136 on: November 03, 2016, 12:16:34 pm »

Why not Jake?
Such a carefree attitude is difficult for newb!scum. Also newbie pass.

As you know, I like to lynch newbies. He's not a true newbie, though. He played in the previous game.
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« Reply #137 on: November 03, 2016, 12:23:18 pm »

Why not Jake?
Such a carefree attitude is difficult for newb!scum. Also newbie pass.

As you know, I like to lynch newbies. He's not a true newbie, though. He played in the previous game.

Well I didn't play with them, so they are a newbie to me.

Plus the other stuff I mentioned.
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« Reply #138 on: November 03, 2016, 12:24:17 pm »

Last but not least, I have come to appreciate LALL over the last few games. Jake seems like he's willing to actively engage in the game, which is good.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: November 03, 2016, 12:51:41 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

LaLight (1): Calamitas
EFHW (1): SpaceAnemone
Jake (2): Robz, Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, e, Jake
faust (1): EFHW
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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 12:54:42 pm by gkrieg13 »
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2016, 12:53:22 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2016, 12:54:06 pm »

Hi guys ummm Vote:Robz

Just a PSA, this would have counted.  Anything that looks like a vote will count in my games.  I just ctrl + f vote: and if it is in bold, I count it, so anything like having two spaces with a font size of 4pt won't work.  It will be counted like any other vote, as with votes without spaces after the colon.  Anything that looks like a vote, will be counted as such, so don't try to fake hammer using a vote that is questionable.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: November 03, 2016, 12:55:33 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz

yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: November 03, 2016, 12:56:29 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz

yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o

I'm laughing as hell now!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #144 on: November 03, 2016, 01:01:01 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz

yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: November 03, 2016, 01:02:41 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz

yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
It was a response to your calling GKrieg as grekig :)
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« Reply #146 on: November 03, 2016, 01:03:50 pm »

Well that's hard to spell so I'm gonna call you Big G
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2016, 01:47:55 pm »

We could also lynch LaLight. I just realized that, according to the stats in his signature, he has never been lynched.
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« Reply #148 on: November 03, 2016, 01:48:33 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz

yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
It was a response to your calling GKrieg as grekig :)
Thanks for clearing that up, LAlight!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: November 03, 2016, 01:52:10 pm »

Yo grekig I voted for SA not Robz

yo, I fixed it, JkeatehBsaebllaG2d2o
It's Jake not Jkea
It was a response to your calling GKrieg as grekig :)
Thanks for clearing that up, LAlight!

Just trying to prevent any conflicts that could occur. Nevermind.
Yep, never lynched. Cause in all the games I'm townie except M86 where I just played well :)
Though don't do this. I'm townie again.
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« Reply #150 on: November 03, 2016, 02:21:44 pm »

What conflicts I don't get in conflicts just polite disagreements
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: November 03, 2016, 03:05:11 pm »

Vote: Jake
For What
Wanting to get other people's opinions first is considered scummy.  Like you don't have a position of your own because you already know who is town and who is scum, so you cast about for what other people want to hear.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: November 03, 2016, 03:06:38 pm »

It's good that EFHW is here to explain other people's reads, even though she doesn't want to explain her own. Maybe RR could explain EFHW's vote for me now?
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« Reply #153 on: November 03, 2016, 03:09:14 pm »

It's good that EFHW is here to explain other people's reads, even though she doesn't want to explain her own. Maybe RR could explain EFHW's vote for me now?
happy to help :)
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« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2016, 03:10:15 pm »

Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
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« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2016, 03:11:42 pm »

Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, et expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
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« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2016, 03:12:13 pm »

Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, yet expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
Fixed.
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« Reply #157 on: November 03, 2016, 03:16:21 pm »

Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, et expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P
I'll just say that you are reminding me of that recent game where you were some kind of lone scum - Heroes Mafia.
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« Reply #158 on: November 03, 2016, 03:18:22 pm »

vote: faust

You're quite nervous! That was just one vote but i got the feeling you're on L-1
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« Reply #159 on: November 03, 2016, 03:51:23 pm »

Vote: Jake
For What
Wanting to get other people's opinions first is considered scummy.  Like you don't have a position of your own because you already know who is town and who is scum, so you cast about for what other people want to hear.
I have opinions on everybody here but I want to gage what others are thinking
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: November 03, 2016, 03:52:29 pm »

But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: November 03, 2016, 03:53:53 pm »

But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Can you give us evidence? Don't have the time to look for myself right now.
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« Reply #162 on: November 03, 2016, 03:57:35 pm »

But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: November 03, 2016, 03:58:48 pm »

Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.

Probably because you're a vet. It would take some major scum vibes for me to want to lynch you or faust Day 1.
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« Reply #164 on: November 03, 2016, 04:01:39 pm »

Ok reasons/evidence for lynching SA
1.Had a few scummy posts st the start of this game which is what started this
2. SA attuide is so different from other games that it's scary
3.In other games SA was active,peppy and just generaly helpful and in this game nothing
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« Reply #165 on: November 03, 2016, 04:02:06 pm »

But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
Look at other games BOI!!!!!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: November 03, 2016, 04:04:00 pm »

SA has made exactly 4 posts this game, 1 of which was about baseball, 1 of which was about forum time, and 2 which were questions about e's ICness.

So this case is ridiculous.
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« Reply #167 on: November 03, 2016, 04:06:41 pm »

SA has made exactly 4 posts this game, 1 of which was about baseball, 1 of which was about forum time, and 2 which were questions about e's ICness.

So this case is ridiculous.
Or maybe you is scum partner trying to defend your boi in Sa
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« Reply #168 on: November 03, 2016, 04:07:30 pm »

Can we just move out of pseudo-RVS please?
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« Reply #169 on: November 03, 2016, 04:08:24 pm »

Well that's hard to spell so I'm gonna call you Big G

2 things.  First, it isn't that hard to spell :), and second, I actually don't have a problem with it (it happens all the time), but just pointing out that if you aren't going to get my name right, I don't have to get yours right.

But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
Look at other games BOI!!!!!


Please stop referencing ongoing games.  There will be consequences the next time.  You can reference other games when they are over, but definitely not while they are still going on. 
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« Reply #170 on: November 03, 2016, 04:12:25 pm »

Well that's hard to spell so I'm gonna call you Big G

2 things.  First, it isn't that hard to spell :), and second, I actually don't have a problem with it (it happens all the time), but just pointing out that if you aren't going to get my name right, I don't have to get yours right.

But seriously people take a deep look at SA im telling you the more you look the scumer it looks
Deep look? Not only is it D1, it's the start of D1
Look at other games BOI!!!!!


Please stop referencing ongoing games.  There will be consequences the next time.  You can reference other games when they are over, but definitely not while they are still going on. 
Yo Big G I didn't mention any ongoing games in that post all I said of the games/posts of SA that he looked scummy I referenced no ongoing games
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: November 03, 2016, 04:13:50 pm »

Yo Big G I didn't mention any ongoing games in that post all I said of the games/posts of SA that he looked scummy I referenced no ongoing games
If I were you, I wouldn't call the mod 'Big G.' Your call though
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: November 03, 2016, 04:15:16 pm »

Yo Big G I didn't mention any ongoing games in that post all I said of the games/posts of SA that he looked scummy I referenced no ongoing games
If I were you, I wouldn't call the mod 'Big G.' Your call though
He's the mod so he's like the Big person in the game and his name starts with a g so it makes sense and is much easier for me to type
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: November 03, 2016, 04:16:33 pm »

Plus if it bothers anyone just tell me and I'll stop saying it
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: November 03, 2016, 04:18:11 pm »

Plus if it bothers anyone just tell me and I'll stop saying it

Doesn't bother me at all
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #175 on: November 03, 2016, 04:19:09 pm »

Thank you for backing me up Big G
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #176 on: November 03, 2016, 04:38:08 pm »

Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: November 03, 2016, 05:17:31 pm »

Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
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« Reply #178 on: November 03, 2016, 05:18:49 pm »

Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
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« Reply #179 on: November 03, 2016, 05:23:31 pm »

Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
What dumb stuff and what's RVS
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: November 03, 2016, 05:26:18 pm »

Someone just come get me when this stuff is over
What stuff? The game?
No, this dumb post RVS stuff
The game consists of nothing but post RVS stuff. Or, in other words, I have no idea what you're complaining about.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #182 on: November 03, 2016, 05:38:12 pm »

I also think there is absolutely no case against SA.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #184 on: November 03, 2016, 06:20:21 pm »

I also think there is absolutely no case against SA.

There's definitely no case. All I was doing was for going out the RVS.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #185 on: November 03, 2016, 06:58:12 pm »

I do but never mind Unvote: SA
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #186 on: November 03, 2016, 08:19:23 pm »

Ok reasons/evidence for lynching SA
1.Had a few scummy posts st the start of this game which is what started this
2. SA attuide is so different from other games that it's scary
3.In other games SA was active,peppy and just generaly helpful and in this game nothing

Ooh, I'm getting the VIP analysis treatment here :-P I've been feeling quite unwell and juggling a bunch of important work stuff, so it's not surprising I've been a little off my meta. Except that this is only about my sixth game, so I didn't actually realise I had that much of a reliable meta. Hopefully tomorrow I'll be back to whichever overly-fluffy or too-game-solvy versions of myself you'd like me to be.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #187 on: November 03, 2016, 08:23:40 pm »

I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #188 on: November 03, 2016, 08:24:46 pm »

I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?

...him?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #189 on: November 03, 2016, 09:21:41 pm »

I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?

...him?
:'( Sry SA, I just seem to be too stupid for correct pronoun usage. I just don't think about pronouns when I'm writing within mafia and I usually don't proofread due to lack of time. Not that this a legit excuse at all, it is just an explanation. Sorry SA, I will try to establish proofreading to avoid further occurences.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #190 on: November 03, 2016, 10:10:57 pm »

I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
Because my 1 vote on him doesn't matter so just taking it off and case I get a stronger scum read on someone else but for now SA is still my strongest scum read
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #191 on: November 03, 2016, 10:13:14 pm »

I do but never mind Unvote: SA
Vote: Jake
You claimed to have a strong read on him and say you still believe there is a case. Why unvote?
Because my 1 vote on him doesn't matter so just taking it off and case I get a stronger scum read on someone else but for now SA is still my strongest scum read
Votes express opinion and if you have a scum read on SA you should keep your vote there
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #192 on: November 03, 2016, 11:13:56 pm »

Just started a new position at work that will be pretty busy catching up and figuring out how to do the job well, but then should calm down some.  So won't have a ton of activity early on.  Still following.  Absolutely love wagons.  Why aren't there more of them? 
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #193 on: November 04, 2016, 10:34:08 am »

So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #194 on: November 04, 2016, 10:35:09 am »

So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
SO RR did you hear that the tigers traded Cameron Maybin to the Angels  ;D ;D 8) 8) :P :P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #195 on: November 04, 2016, 10:35:46 am »

So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
SO RR did you hear that the tigers traded Cameron Maybin to the Angels  ;D ;D 8) 8) :P :P
My vote on Jake is probably serious BTW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #196 on: November 04, 2016, 10:36:23 am »

So it looks like all that weird stuff is over. Yay!
SO RR did you hear that the tigers traded Cameron Maybin to the Angels  ;D ;D 8) 8) :P :P
My vote on Jake is probably serious BTW
Ok no jokes this time Why?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #197 on: November 04, 2016, 10:36:51 am »

Ok no jokes this time Why?
Don't worry about it  ;)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #198 on: November 04, 2016, 10:37:58 am »

Ok no jokes this time Why?
Don't worry about it  ;)
You cant say that because if I have votes on me i get worried BOI
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #199 on: November 04, 2016, 10:38:18 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: November 04, 2016, 10:38:49 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: November 04, 2016, 10:40:04 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: November 04, 2016, 10:41:46 am »

Your transition from "SA is 100% scum" to "Whatever guys, I don't have strong views."

There's smaller stuff too, like all your fluff, short posts, emojis, explanation points and capital letters
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: November 04, 2016, 10:46:13 am »

Your transition from "SA is 100% scum" to "Whatever guys, I don't have strong views."

There's smaller stuff too, like all your fluff, short posts, emojis, explanation points and capital letters
1. I'm still pretty sure that SA is scum
2. That is just my unquestionable great personality so get used to it
3. Holy Crap dude its called making conversation 
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: November 04, 2016, 10:46:53 am »

Your transition from "SA is 100% scum" to "Whatever guys, I don't have strong views."

There's smaller stuff too, like all your fluff, short posts, emojis, explanation points and capital letters
1. I'm still pretty sure that SA is scum
2. That is just my unquestionable great personality so get used to it
3. Holy Crap dude its called making conversation
THEN VOTE FOR SA!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: November 04, 2016, 10:47:45 am »

OK VOTE: SA
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: November 04, 2016, 10:48:08 am »

Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: November 04, 2016, 10:52:14 am »

Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
Its called a newbie taking advice from a vet and seeing no other better lynch candidates voting for your best candidate.
Jeeezzz man vote day is 4 days away gotta vote for someone
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: November 04, 2016, 10:55:20 am »

Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
Its called a newbie taking advice from a vet and seeing no other better lynch candidates voting for your best candidate.
Jeeezzz man vote day is 4 days away gotta vote for someone
4 days is a pretty long time. It's a very long time
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: November 04, 2016, 10:57:36 am »

Conforming to whatever I say is scummy
Its called a newbie taking advice from a vet and seeing no other better lynch candidates voting for your best candidate.
Jeeezzz man vote day is 4 days away gotta vote for someone
4 days is a pretty long time. It's a very long time
4 IRL days is not that long
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #210 on: November 04, 2016, 10:59:04 am »

4 IRL days is not that long
Why don't you listen to a vet?  :P

But I think I'm going to back off here. Someone else can comment.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: November 04, 2016, 10:59:56 am »

4 IRL days is not that long
Why don't you listen to a vet?  :P

But I think I'm going to back off here. Someone else can comment.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: November 04, 2016, 11:13:03 am »

Okay, being chatty is good, but try to include more people, rather than chatting at each other for page after page!

The one thing we all have in common is liking Mafia.. so that might even suggest a topic of conversation for you :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: November 04, 2016, 11:21:08 am »

Ok hi SA wanna pizza?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #214 on: November 04, 2016, 11:29:40 am »

Ok hi SA wanna pizza?

Thanks, but I've just had a mug of tea and a gingerbread dolphin here, so I'm all set :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: November 04, 2016, 11:31:10 am »

Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

Seems quiet in here after that early burst of game activity!

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Hi All! Does all that green mean that e is IC?

What did you think all that green could mean if not that e is an IC?

I just don't have a lot of experience with ICs in games, and I don't know this game's flavour at all, so I wanted to check :-)

Not to be all like "in my day, we walked fifteen miles in the snow just to write our posts," but is this actually what passes for "serious" now?

So what one historical f.ds Mafia game game would top your required reading list for newbies?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: November 04, 2016, 11:35:05 am »

Ok hi SA wanna pizza?

Thanks, but I've just had a mug of tea and a gingerbread dolphin here, so I'm all set :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: November 04, 2016, 12:58:29 pm »

Read Modern Community.  That was an intense game.
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« Reply #218 on: November 04, 2016, 01:06:17 pm »

This game is really degenerating now, though.  How about if from here on in we all try to make each post move the game forward in some way, and stop ourselves from posting chat until the RVS phase of the next game?

I would agree SA is being less helpful than usual.  As is faust.  Calamitas is quiet, but I think sometimes he is when the game is stalled like this. Only a few posts from Robz, he seems to be waiting for things to get started in earnest.  I'll have to check who else is playing, but have to go for now.  More later.
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« Reply #219 on: November 04, 2016, 01:27:25 pm »

This game is really degenerating now, though.  How about if from here on in we all try to make each post move the game forward in some way, and stop ourselves from posting chat until the RVS phase of the next game?

I would agree SA is being less helpful than usual.  As is faust.  Calamitas is quiet, but I think sometimes he is when the game is stalled like this. Only a few posts from Robz, he seems to be waiting for things to get started in earnest.  I'll have to check who else is playing, but have to go for now.  More later.

Finally the voice of reason.
I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.
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« Reply #220 on: November 04, 2016, 01:32:17 pm »

This game is really degenerating now, though.  How about if from here on in we all try to make each post move the game forward in some way, and stop ourselves from posting chat until the RVS phase of the next game?

I would agree SA is being less helpful than usual.  As is faust.  Calamitas is quiet, but I think sometimes he is when the game is stalled like this. Only a few posts from Robz, he seems to be waiting for things to get started in earnest.  I'll have to check who else is playing, but have to go for now.  More later.
I mostly agree with top paragraph but can I get some other opinions on SA as scum because I feel like many people aren't doing anything
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: November 04, 2016, 01:39:19 pm »

vote: Jake for my own reasons.
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« Reply #222 on: November 04, 2016, 01:40:42 pm »

vote: Jake for my own reasons.
What reasons because I already have 3 votes on me and I don't wanna die
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« Reply #223 on: November 04, 2016, 01:51:39 pm »

vote: Jake for my own reasons.

Yeah, is that an unannounced L-1?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: November 04, 2016, 01:53:13 pm »

Unnoficial Space-Count:

EFHW (1): SpaceAnemone
Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight
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« Reply #225 on: November 04, 2016, 01:54:23 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #226 on: November 04, 2016, 03:34:06 pm »

Guys seriously no one will tell me why they are voting me so ethier tell me or if your voting for no reason remove your vote
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #227 on: November 04, 2016, 04:02:00 pm »

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
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« Reply #228 on: November 04, 2016, 04:03:14 pm »

Guys seriously no one will tell me why they are voting me so ethier tell me or if your voting for no reason remove your vote
Probably because you distract us from playing the game. Which, I don't think is necessarily scummy, but you know, annoying. And people tend to vote if they're annoyed.
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« Reply #229 on: November 04, 2016, 04:05:29 pm »

Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
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« Reply #230 on: November 04, 2016, 04:07:11 pm »

Hypothesis: One scum is off the Jake wagon.

Vote: Space-A
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« Reply #231 on: November 04, 2016, 04:09:40 pm »

Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #232 on: November 04, 2016, 04:09:52 pm »

Thanks Faust
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #233 on: November 04, 2016, 04:23:02 pm »

Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
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« Reply #234 on: November 04, 2016, 04:26:56 pm »

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?

Okay, I'll explain:

1) Faust was really nervous with EFHW vote and didn't answer when I asked why.
2) Space contionues being different actually.

That's "more scummy side" not "definitely scummy".
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« Reply #235 on: November 04, 2016, 04:27:36 pm »

Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
Yo how many times do I have to say that I am pretty sure that SA is scum (go back I have posts explaining this) Also Calm may be scum as well but really no clue
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #236 on: November 04, 2016, 04:32:23 pm »

Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
Yo how many times do I have to say that I am pretty sure that SA is scum (go back I have posts explaining this) Also Calm may be scum as well but really no clue
You only have to say that once or twice, but you can contribute otherwise. You could comment on LaLight's suspicion of EFHW, you could ask a direct question to someone who has been less active (even if you don't really care about the answer, it still gets them involved) or you can just sit back and not be distracting if you really have nothing to say.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #237 on: November 04, 2016, 04:36:41 pm »

Word of warning: If anyone quick-, derp- or something-else hammers before we have sufficiently discussed our reads, I vow to wreak bloody vengeance on them.
I always die D-1 anyways and they always kill me right as the day begins. I would love to survive to help the town if I live and I have given my views so sorry Faust it just happens
If you want to survive to give your views, why don't you do that now? Nothing is magically going to happen after today to suddenly make you a star if you don't try to become a star
Yo how many times do I have to say that I am pretty sure that SA is scum (go back I have posts explaining this) Also Calm may be scum as well but really no clue
You only have to say that once or twice, but you can contribute otherwise. You could comment on LaLight's suspicion of EFHW, you could ask a direct question to someone who has been less active (even if you don't really care about the answer, it still gets them involved) or you can just sit back and not be distracting if you really have nothing to say.
1. I always have something to say
2. Where is Robz and e guys say something once in a while
3. EFHW has done nothing wrong in my opinion
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #238 on: November 04, 2016, 04:39:28 pm »

1. I always have something to say
2. Where is Robz and e guys say something once in a while
3. EFHW has done nothing wrong in my opinion
See, answering like this (only when prompted) is also a bad idea. I said 'EFHW' when LaLight actually has a suspicion of Faust, so that's something.

Just remember that you don't have to reply to everything. Sometimes the best comment is the one left unsaid. 
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« Reply #239 on: November 04, 2016, 04:40:47 pm »

1. I always have something to say
2. Where is Robz and e guys say something once in a while
3. EFHW has done nothing wrong in my opinion
See, answering like this (only when prompted) is also a bad idea. I said 'EFHW' when LaLight actually has a suspicion of Faust, so that's something.

Just remember that you don't have to reply to everything. Sometimes the best comment is the one left unsaid.
What's "unsaid"
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #240 on: November 04, 2016, 04:43:30 pm »

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...
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« Reply #241 on: November 04, 2016, 05:33:52 pm »

1) Faust was really nervous with EFHW vote and didn't answer when I asked why.

Can you point me to me being "really nervous"? I doubt it.
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« Reply #242 on: November 04, 2016, 05:34:59 pm »

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...

You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
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« Reply #243 on: November 04, 2016, 05:59:43 pm »

unvote: Jake, who is irritating, but not particularly scummy.

vote: calamities, for lurking.

Not getting any particularly strong vibes, really. That tends to happen when town is talking to itself, so mild town points for Jake, RR, perhaps SA.
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« Reply #244 on: November 04, 2016, 06:01:14 pm »

Faust too.
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« Reply #245 on: November 04, 2016, 06:01:56 pm »

Yo Robz SA is ScuM
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« Reply #246 on: November 04, 2016, 06:06:54 pm »

RR vs Jake reads town on town to me. Or weird scum buddies who know each other IRL on scum but that's vanishingly unlikely.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #247 on: November 04, 2016, 07:58:03 pm »

Hypothesis: One scum is off the Jake wagon.

Vote: Space-A

Hey, if I'd have been any less off-wagon, you'd have called it a hammer, and you've made your stance on hammers at present quite clear :-P

I was the one to point out LL's unannounced L-1; if I'd been more malicious I'd just have hammered Jake and then blamed LL.

Instead, I'll vote: LaLight for being weirdly suspicious of me and feeding Jake's paranoia.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #248 on: November 04, 2016, 08:09:44 pm »

unvote: Jake, who is irritating, but not particularly scummy.

vote: calamities, for lurking.

Not getting any particularly strong vibes, really. That tends to happen when town is talking to itself, so mild town points for Jake, RR, perhaps SA.
Lurking is not scummy at all, if I cannot contribute I do not contribute. You should know better as the one who has actually less post than I do.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #249 on: November 04, 2016, 08:16:01 pm »

unvote: Jake, who is irritating, but not particularly scummy.

vote: calamities, for lurking.

Not getting any particularly strong vibes, really. That tends to happen when town is talking to itself, so mild town points for Jake, RR, perhaps SA.
Lurking is not scummy at all, if I cannot contribute I do not contribute. You should know better as the one who has actually less post than I do.
In regard to reads I cannot offer anything particular. I plan to reread tomorrow, will contribute more then.
You and Robz are both lurking so stop fighting and move on
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: November 04, 2016, 08:18:34 pm »

Hypothesis: One scum is off the Jake wagon.

Vote: Space-A

Hey, if I'd have been any less off-wagon, you'd have called it a hammer, and you've made your stance on hammers at present quite clear :-P

I was the one to point out LL's unannounced L-1; if I'd been more malicious I'd just have hammered Jake and then blamed LL.

Instead, I'll vote: LaLight for being weirdly suspicious of me and feeding Jake's paranoia.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: November 04, 2016, 08:28:32 pm »

if I cannot contribute I do not contribute.
*cough* Take a hint Jake *cough cough*
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: November 04, 2016, 11:30:37 pm »

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...

You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
I don't really want to go into detail here. Looking to see how things develop.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: November 05, 2016, 08:06:02 pm »

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...

You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?
I don't really want to go into detail here. Looking to see how things develop.
Maybe, given that things don't develop at all, talk some more?

Of coruse that's not just you. And I know I've been quiet as well, but at least I made my reads known.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: November 05, 2016, 09:01:42 pm »

Makin' reads known :-)
   
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
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JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: November 05, 2016, 09:15:40 pm »

I'm starting to think I always read LaLight and SA as scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: November 05, 2016, 09:40:25 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

LaLight (1): Calamitas
Jake (2): Roadrunner, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (2): Jake, faust
faust (1): EFHW
Calamitas (2): Robz, SpaceAnemone

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: November 05, 2016, 09:58:35 pm »

Sorry, need to reread here. I will try to get that done tomorrow
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: November 05, 2016, 09:59:16 pm »

Also I believe I am not voting
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: November 05, 2016, 10:52:05 pm »

Jakes attitude doesn't make him particular towny in my books since his scum partner could have easily instructed him to act careless.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: November 06, 2016, 05:02:40 am »

Jakes attitude doesn't make him particular towny in my books since his scum partner could have easily instructed him to act careless.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: November 06, 2016, 05:44:57 am »

RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.

Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: November 06, 2016, 07:54:16 am »

RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.

Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.

From these two reads, I would have guessed that you would vote RR, not Calamitas.

Before proof-reading the post, I actually voted both in succession, but that seemed a bit silly. Having observed that I felt fine landing on Calamitas anyway, that's where I left my vote :-) I'll be happy to change things around if he starts getting into the game more.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #263 on: November 06, 2016, 09:02:59 am »

I did a reread and Jake's case against space being so contradictory - saying they are more serious when they weren't actually particularly serious sounds like new scum trying for a mislynch. vote: Jake.

My read on faust still stands, but I don't have enough of a case to convince anyone else.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: November 06, 2016, 09:04:27 am »

I don't think I really want to be voting Space-A; they are active at least.

Let's do a post count.

LaLight 23
RoadRunner 25
faust 31
JakeTheBaseballGod22 58
Calamitas 10 (actually has more pre-game than in-game posts)
Robz888 13
EFHW 11
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e 15

Well Spacey isn't as active as I thought. Still, LALL, vote: Calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #265 on: November 06, 2016, 09:05:34 am »

My read on faust still stands, but I don't have enough of a case to convince anyone else.

You never even tried...

Also, don't you always read me as town? I seem to remember that.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: November 06, 2016, 09:19:26 am »

That's a very strange question.

There's no "always" in forum mafia.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #267 on: November 06, 2016, 09:21:42 am »

You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: November 06, 2016, 10:15:33 am »

Well Spacey isn't as active as I thought.

I'm more active now! I was totally spaced out for the very early game for medical-ish sorts of reasons :-(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #269 on: November 06, 2016, 10:18:21 am »

You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: November 06, 2016, 10:40:02 am »

spaced out
I find this more funny than I should.
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« Reply #271 on: November 06, 2016, 10:40:52 am »

You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
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« Reply #272 on: November 06, 2016, 10:44:54 am »

You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
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« Reply #273 on: November 06, 2016, 10:50:18 am »

You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
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« Reply #274 on: November 06, 2016, 10:59:48 am »

You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
Why do you think I'm not playing within my meta?
I don't even know your meta, I'm just stating that this is an alternative explanation.
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« Reply #275 on: November 06, 2016, 11:22:15 am »

Maybe you can also contribute to the game with actual reads and opinions rather than theoretical ponderings?
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« Reply #276 on: November 06, 2016, 11:54:42 am »

Maybe you can also contribute to the game with actual reads and opinions rather than theoretical ponderings?
I don't have real reads here. The only thing I can do right now is stating my opinion on various specific subjects as I did throughout the game.
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« Reply #277 on: November 06, 2016, 12:26:20 pm »

Sorry about not being active but I still think SA is scum but I thought clamitas was town but his responses have not been very satisfactory so now not sure
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« Reply #278 on: November 06, 2016, 12:28:25 pm »

Had a all day event which is why
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #279 on: November 06, 2016, 12:54:16 pm »

Makin' reads known :-)
   
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!

Vote: Calamitas

Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.

Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #280 on: November 06, 2016, 12:58:01 pm »

Sorry about not being active but I still think SA is scum but I thought clamitas was town but his responses have not been very satisfactory so now not sure

No one says you're inactive
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« Reply #281 on: November 06, 2016, 12:59:44 pm »

Makin' reads known :-)
   
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!

Vote: Calamitas

Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.

Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.

And this is where I don't agree. Summaries are nice, no one thinks the person made a big job, thous it sums up every player so it is easier to me myself to look at this summary and make some assumptions. Also this is kinda SA's meta - to make big lists :)
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« Reply #282 on: November 06, 2016, 01:01:53 pm »

Makin' reads known :-)
   
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!

Vote: Calamitas

Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.

Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.
SA is doing that in every game and it is driving the game forwards. If anything, townpoints for SA for that. But it is probably just pro-town and alignment unindicative.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #283 on: November 06, 2016, 01:03:59 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.
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« Reply #284 on: November 06, 2016, 01:05:23 pm »

Makin' reads known :-)
   
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!

Vote: Calamitas

Back in the old days, I always found these things scummy, because they are so easy to do, and it *looks* like you did this work evaluating everyone, when really all you said was "X is sort of scummy, sort of townie, might lynch, blah," which we could basically say for anyone. Like, these are not exactly revelatory.

Summaries are scummaries, I use to say.

And this is where I don't agree. Summaries are nice, no one thinks the person made a big job, thous it sums up every player so it is easier to me myself to look at this summary and make some assumptions. Also this is kinda SA's meta - to make big lists :)

I would rather have a player point out a single person as scummy and have some good reasons to back it up. Or, a good reason to acquit a specific person for the rest of the day. Vague impressions, especially early on, I find unhelpful.
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« Reply #285 on: November 06, 2016, 01:06:33 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #286 on: November 06, 2016, 01:09:09 pm »

As for the vet-scum theory, that's plausible... but I think I suspect EFHW a little more than faust. My (possibly erroneous recollection) is that scum!faust was quieter than this.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #287 on: November 06, 2016, 01:09:31 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.

Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #288 on: November 06, 2016, 01:10:39 pm »

As for the vet-scum theory, that's plausible... but I think I suspect EFHW a little more than faust. My (possibly erroneous recollection) is that scum!faust was quieter than this.

Do you suspect yourself? :)
I've never seen EFHW as scum, even in the old games I read. But as I can see in her signatue, every time she was a scum she won and had MVP. hmmm.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #289 on: November 06, 2016, 01:20:51 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.
As much as I advocate against thinking like this, even I can't deny that people closer to my age player very, very differently. I think I've managed to tone that down somewhat, but I think you can't use conventional wisdom when trying to read me or, I assume, Jake.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #290 on: November 06, 2016, 01:30:39 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.

Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.

PPE:1

But that's kind of stupid scum play. Scum don't play stupid.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #291 on: November 06, 2016, 01:36:09 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.

Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.

PPE:1

But that's kind of stupid scum play. Scum don't play stupid.

Not stupid but newb.
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« Reply #292 on: November 06, 2016, 01:36:56 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Why does everyone think Jake is scummy? Jake is so *not* scummy. Scum don't behave this brazenly.

Okay, the little case on Jake: he knows all the alignments so he can't frankly accuse someone. So then he picks the person who has a little scumminess and a little case (SA had a case from me on that point) and starts tunneling them for no reason. and then everything Jake says is SA is scum and much fluff, nothing else really.

PPE:1

But that's kind of stupid scum play. Scum don't play stupid.

Not stupid but newb.

But he's not a true newb.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #293 on: November 06, 2016, 01:37:43 pm »

Yes he is
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #294 on: November 06, 2016, 01:39:11 pm »

Yes he is

This is not his first game, I mean.
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« Reply #295 on: November 06, 2016, 01:41:51 pm »

Yes he is

This is not his first game, I mean.
Technically, it's not.
But think about what happened
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« Reply #296 on: November 06, 2016, 01:56:00 pm »

Man I just love my life being debated over
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #297 on: November 06, 2016, 02:05:50 pm »

Alright, well this isn't getting us anywhere and we can't discuss ongoing games.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #298 on: November 06, 2016, 02:42:49 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #299 on: November 06, 2016, 03:07:26 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you mean scum kills the most active players and then just dominates LyLo because all the active players are gone and those who left don't give a shit about the game? But it's so terrible :(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #300 on: November 06, 2016, 03:17:11 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you mean scum kills the most active players and then just dominates LyLo because all the active players are gone and those who left don't give a shit about the game? But it's so terrible :(

Well it's what happened in lots of games lately. It's better to punish inactivity early.
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« Reply #301 on: November 06, 2016, 03:53:59 pm »

Coming to think of it I feel like there's no scum at all (except Jake) which can mean the only thing: scum is one of the vets (Faust, Robz, EFHW). Frim this list the most suspicious is Faust I think.

Or, maybe, just maybe, scum just lurks. This has become such a paradigm across this site and it's so stupid because all it does is pick off the prime nightkill targets and let scum dominate LyLo because everyone who actually does stuff is gone.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you mean scum kills the most active players and then just dominates LyLo because all the active players are gone and those who left don't give a shit about the game? But it's so terrible :(

Well it's what happened in lots of games lately. It's better to punish inactivity early.

well, I'm disappointed.

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« Reply #302 on: November 06, 2016, 05:05:42 pm »

I did some "background reading", and am more aware of Jake's play as scum.  Still really don't like the SA tunnel, though.

I don't want to lynch Calamitas just for lurking.  He can be a good contributor when he has something to say.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #303 on: November 06, 2016, 05:19:19 pm »

So, our two L-1 wagons:

Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight

Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.

Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.

EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons,  and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #304 on: November 06, 2016, 05:23:03 pm »

So, our two L-1 wagons:

Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight

Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.

Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.

EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons,  and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
I'm not following this. Especially since Jake wasn't at L-1 for long and I am currently voting for him.
I also notice that Robz and Lalight are both on both wagons. What what can we take from that, either?
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« Reply #305 on: November 06, 2016, 05:33:20 pm »

I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
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« Reply #306 on: November 06, 2016, 05:33:29 pm »

So, our two L-1 wagons:

Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight

Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.

Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.

EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons,  and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
I'm not following this. Especially since Jake wasn't at L-1 for long and I am currently voting for him.
I also notice that Robz and Lalight are both on both wagons. What what can we take from that, either?

I think Robz being first on both wagons is interesting. Almost as if he is driving them. LaLight being last on both wagons seems a bit too opportunistic to me. Possibly scum, but I could see this as sheep!town LaLight. I don't know, haven't played with LaLight.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #307 on: November 06, 2016, 05:34:23 pm »

I am actually fairly interested in faust right now as a lynch candidate. Going back to reread him now
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: November 06, 2016, 05:42:02 pm »

I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #309 on: November 06, 2016, 05:48:55 pm »

I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
1. I didn't know that you had to vote for who you thought was scum
2. I've never flipped or flopped on SA
3. Why you no love my attitude
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #310 on: November 06, 2016, 05:53:57 pm »

I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
Also why are you targeting me I've done nothing to you and it looks to me that your case is crap one and two it also looks to me that your desperate to not get lynched so your targeting the other wagon. Just saying you look more and more like scum calm
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #311 on: November 06, 2016, 06:08:17 pm »

I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
Also why are you targeting me I've done nothing to you and it looks to me that your case is crap one and two it also looks to me that your desperate to not get lynched so your targeting the other wagon. Just saying you look more and more like scum calm

It's not targeting, it's just a method of trying to catch scum. For every one case I build against scum I have built 10 against town. Not saying that I think you are town, and actually the quoted post feels more scum than town to me
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #312 on: November 06, 2016, 06:10:29 pm »

I still don't get what the case is on me? Can anyone explain
You pushed an insane case on SA and acted flip-floppy there (not voting even though you had a strong scum read). Additionally, your careless attitude might be forced.
Also why are you targeting me I've done nothing to you and it looks to me that your case is crap one and two it also looks to me that your desperate to not get lynched so your targeting the other wagon. Just saying you look more and more like scum calm
You wanted an explanation, I gave an explanation. Why freak out like that?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #313 on: November 06, 2016, 06:12:15 pm »

Jake seems awfully twitchy...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #314 on: November 06, 2016, 06:20:33 pm »

I'm always twitchy one and two how's is breaking your oppositions/or mistaken friend case against you scummy?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #315 on: November 06, 2016, 06:26:42 pm »

So, our two L-1 wagons:

Jake (4): Robz, Roadrunner, Calamitas, LaLight

Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight.

Jake was over his somewhat poor case on SpaceAnemone and some frivolous play. Calamitas is because of lurking.

EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons,  and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
I'm not following this. Especially since Jake wasn't at L-1 for long and I am currently voting for him.
I also notice that Robz and Lalight are both on both wagons. What what can we take from that, either?

I think Robz being first on both wagons is interesting. Almost as if he is driving them. LaLight being last on both wagons seems a bit too opportunistic to me. Possibly scum, but I could see this as sheep!town LaLight. I don't know, haven't played with LaLight.

Just so we're being absolutely clear, my vote on Jake was 100% RVS. And I don't think I really said much in favor of lynching Calamitas, other than calling him out for lurking (a bit unfairly, as he pointed out, since I was also lurking).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #316 on: November 06, 2016, 06:28:46 pm »

That said, I guess it isn't surprising that people would sheep me. Sorry if I inadvertently created the Jake wagon, which I think is a very bad wagon indeed.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #317 on: November 06, 2016, 06:30:05 pm »

Calamitas is no longer lurking, but still reading scummy to me: fighting with Jake and coming off looking good is like a very easy thing one can do for town points (no offense, Jake).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: November 06, 2016, 06:31:31 pm »

So robz: who do you think is more likely to sheep you? Town or scum?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #319 on: November 06, 2016, 06:32:17 pm »

Especially early on that Jake wagon. Calamitas going 3rd? LaLight picking up the L-1 both times?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #320 on: November 06, 2016, 06:33:12 pm »

I would rather have a player point out a single person as scummy and have some good reasons to back it up. Or, a good reason to acquit a specific person for the rest of the day. Vague impressions, especially early on, I find unhelpful.

Huh, okay. I figure vague impressions are the basis for less RVSy voting, and are useful later on for hunting for partner tells and things.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #321 on: November 06, 2016, 06:33:48 pm »

Especially early on that Jake wagon. Calamitas going 3rd? LaLight picking up the L-1 both times?

God I didn't recognise it was L-1 twice. Unvote
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #322 on: November 06, 2016, 06:34:33 pm »

Also that was no sheeping either time. That was my opinion.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #323 on: November 06, 2016, 06:34:44 pm »

So robz: who do you think is more likely to sheep you? Town or scum?

Ehhhhhhhhh town? I mean, it's gotta be kind of wagon specific. If scum sheeped my RVS vote on town!Jake hoping to get him quick lynched.... I mean, that would be unbelievably bad play. (Assuming Jake is town.)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2016, 06:37:49 pm »

Especially early on that Jake wagon. Calamitas going 3rd? LaLight picking up the L-1 both times?

I mean, I guess it's kinda eager townie. It doesn't scream scum to me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #325 on: November 06, 2016, 06:39:29 pm »

I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #326 on: November 06, 2016, 06:41:23 pm »

I'm not going to quick lynch anyone FYI if I change my vote someone has to seem more scummy to me than SA which calm is looking more and more scummy by the post
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #327 on: November 06, 2016, 06:42:06 pm »

I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.

Why? I'm here to explain anything anybody asks.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #328 on: November 06, 2016, 06:43:10 pm »

I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.

Why? I'm here to explain anything anybody asks.

You voted for both wagons but weren't paying attention to the vote totals? You're afraid of L-1?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #329 on: November 06, 2016, 06:48:28 pm »

I am honestly just confused by LaLight now.

Why? I'm here to explain anything anybody asks.

You voted for both wagons but weren't paying attention to the vote totals? You're afraid of L-1?

1) I didn't think actually that on this stage of the game we can get L-1 so soon. Also, 9 people is not usual for me and now I see that I should vote more carefully.
2) I was in a little bad mood when voted for Jake because the game on that point was kinda... strange if you know what I mean. So when I realised Jake was on L-1 I thought that's okay. At least I still see him as scum.
3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #330 on: November 06, 2016, 06:53:23 pm »

I'm not going to quick lynch anyone FYI if I change my vote someone has to seem more scummy to me than SA which calm is looking more and more scummy by the post
Why don't you choose a specific post of calamitas and tell us why it's scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #331 on: November 06, 2016, 06:56:16 pm »

And one more post before I go to sleep (3 am already, how does it happen to me allthe time?)

Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
EFHW and Robz are really dangerous as scums, so i'll be fine lynching one of them, don't really know who.
Calamitas and RR seem townie to me which is strange, knowing that RR is in the same position as Faust (look above).
Jake continues to seem scummy.
SA is null which is also strange, cause in every game we played together they seemed scummy being both scum and town.
E is E. Won't sheep the IC but will answer every question if there will be some Q&A IC session.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #332 on: November 06, 2016, 06:57:12 pm »

I did he put a case against me to get me lynched and I dispelled I also think that that was a last ditched effort to save himself that is why he is getting more and more scummer
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #333 on: November 06, 2016, 07:26:07 pm »

I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.

I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #334 on: November 06, 2016, 08:17:04 pm »

I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.

I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #335 on: November 06, 2016, 08:20:50 pm »

I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.

I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.

I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.

For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #336 on: November 06, 2016, 09:46:03 pm »

I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.

I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.

I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.

For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
I don't agree with the last paragraph here since there is no case on SA. But the rest is correct.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #337 on: November 06, 2016, 09:54:43 pm »

Vote Count 1.3

Jake (3): Roadrunner, EFHW, Calamitas
SpaceAnemone (1): Jake
Calamitas (3): Robz, SpaceAnemone, faust

Not Voting (2): e LaLight


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #338 on: November 06, 2016, 09:56:51 pm »

I'm voting jake, not laLight I think
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #339 on: November 06, 2016, 10:40:36 pm »

I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.

I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.

I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.

For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
Why is defending yourself scummy and two if I die then take a look at calm and SA those are my strongest scum reads
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #340 on: November 06, 2016, 10:44:05 pm »

Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #341 on: November 06, 2016, 10:49:00 pm »

Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.

I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #342 on: November 06, 2016, 10:50:56 pm »

I think my problem with Jake is something I used to do, but Jake does it forever and always: He's insanely self aware.

I feel like his goal is to survive for as long as he can, not necessarily to help the town, or, if he's mafia, help his mafia partners. This is obviously not a productive way to think and, Jake, it's likely to get you lynched. It's incredibly scummy.
Boi why would I vote for someone that no one else thinks is scum if I was trying to survive why not just quick lynch calm and end day 1
Because (obviously) you'd definitely get lynched for that.

I'm talking about your posts at any rate. You made a few about SA but the vast majority have been defending yourself. The best way to defend yourself is to keep playing. Contribute reads, cases, and solid content. This will either make the town want to keep you around (which, quite frankly, at this point they don't seem to want to) or it'll make it so that you can help the town after you get lynched.

For example, if we lynch you and you flip town, we'll probably take a closer look at SA now that we have a 100% guarantee that you are in fact town.
Why is defending yourself scummy and two if I die then take a look at calm and SA those are my strongest scum reads

I don't really like this. "If I die, lynch X and Y" is bad because you are basically setting up lynches [or mislynches] for us.

Just build a case against them and let town decide who to lynch
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #343 on: November 06, 2016, 10:51:55 pm »

Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.

I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #344 on: November 06, 2016, 11:22:42 pm »

Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.

I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
Boi what's your problem with me I've repeatedly said that SA is scum and calm is looking more like scum to me by the post
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #345 on: November 06, 2016, 11:26:16 pm »

Except those cases aren't strong, people have told you they aren't strong, and you don't elaborate on them. And if more than 50% of your posts are defending yourself (which I think is the case) that's not a positive thing
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« Reply #346 on: November 06, 2016, 11:46:24 pm »

Except those cases aren't strong, people have told you they aren't strong, and you don't elaborate on them. And if more than 50% of your posts are defending yourself (which I think is the case) that's not a positive thing
Except none of those things are scummy so why are you having such a massive problem with me and two you guys/girls (not sure) may not believe that SA is scum and I believe I have a strong case and calm has made a few scummy posts but as I said before not that sure bout him
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #347 on: November 07, 2016, 05:16:18 am »

EFHW and Jake are the only two completely off both wagons,  and I could see an argument that one of them could be scum.
So Jake is scum because he wasn't on his own wagon?
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« Reply #348 on: November 07, 2016, 05:18:47 am »

That said, I guess it isn't surprising that people would sheep me. Sorry if I inadvertently created the Jake wagon, which I think is a very bad wagon indeed.

I don't really think it's possible to sheep an RVS vote. Like, that's an abuse of what that word sheep means.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #349 on: November 07, 2016, 05:21:26 am »

3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.

I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #350 on: November 07, 2016, 05:22:09 am »

Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
Just... what?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #351 on: November 07, 2016, 05:24:02 am »

Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.

I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
Boi what's your problem with me I've repeatedly said that SA is scum and calm is looking more like scum to me by the post
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #352 on: November 07, 2016, 05:28:01 am »

3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.

I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?

Because I don't know roles of people but I know mine.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #353 on: November 07, 2016, 05:29:47 am »

Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
Just... what?

I remember couple of games we played together and some meta-joke that you are either lynched D1 or killed N1 like always. I see many of your posts as scummy in this game but this may be your meta too, that's just how you play, that's why I don't want to lynch you and want to examine more.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #354 on: November 07, 2016, 06:22:14 am »

Faust afaik is one of the easiest mislynch targets so I'm not really inclined to lynch him, though everything in me screams he's scum. I'd see later.
Just... what?

I remember couple of games we played together and some meta-joke that you are either lynched D1 or killed N1 like always. I see many of your posts as scummy in this game but this may be your meta too, that's just how you play, that's why I don't want to lynch you and want to examine more.

I get killed N1. I never get lynched D1 basically. If you think I'm scummy, vote for me and explain how I'm scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #355 on: November 07, 2016, 06:26:05 am »

3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.

I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?

Are you two by any chance talking past each other a little bit? I feel like faust is talking about LL not wanting to put others at L-1, and LL is talking about being voted up to L-1 himself.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #356 on: November 07, 2016, 06:51:34 am »

3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.

I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?

Are you two by any chance talking past each other a little bit? I feel like faust is talking about LL not wanting to put others at L-1, and LL is talking about being voted up to L-1 himself.
Oh, I know. I just wondered why, quickhammering is such a definite sign of scum, why LaLight would be worried about leaving people at L-1.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #357 on: November 07, 2016, 06:54:12 am »

I don't like L-1. Is that what we're talking about?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #358 on: November 07, 2016, 07:05:39 am »

Defending yourself is scummy because it's not moving the game forward, basically.

I disagree here. Any wagon that develops and forces people to take a side is good, because it is something that we can use later for reads and such.
I'm not talking about other people commenting on a wagon. I'm talking about Jake focusing all of his energy on defending himself
Boi what's your problem with me I've repeatedly said that SA is scum and calm is looking more like scum to me by the post
It would be nice to get your opinion on people who are not Space-A.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #359 on: November 07, 2016, 10:45:21 am »

3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.

I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?

Are you two by any chance talking past each other a little bit? I feel like faust is talking about LL not wanting to put others at L-1, and LL is talking about being voted up to L-1 himself.

The problem with L-1s and newbies is that quickhammering in those cases may not be a definite sign. But OTOH it may be. And the difference between me L-1 and others L-1 is obvious for me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #360 on: November 07, 2016, 10:56:30 am »

Promised case:

It's good that EFHW is here to explain other people's reads, even though she doesn't want to explain her own. Maybe RR could explain EFHW's vote for me now?

Why did you rule me out for lynching today? Not that I'm complaining, of course.
You don't explain your read on me, et expect me to explain my read on you? That's hardly fair :P

I don't really know who to suspect, all the stuff for the last couple of pages is really weird. I think i see SA and Faust on the scummy side too.

EFHW never said that Space-Aor me were "on the scummy side". Why do you think we are?
I did imply it and I am voting you, so ...

You saird I was less active than usual. Which I don't think is really true, but even if it is, why is that a sign of me being scum? Can you point to a game where I was less active as scum?

You're quite nervous about this single EFHW vote. That was RVS actually. I know, EFHW said she has a secret case on you, but does she really?


Also questions:


You know what I mean. Meta stuff. I believe you once said something to that effect. I don't really know what's so strange about my question.
It's like you are saying that because I townread you in the past, I should now, regardless of how you are playing.
No; I'm saying that since you don't read me as town, you are not playing within your meta.
Or you're playing not in your meta which leads to her not townreading you as usually.
Why do you think I'm not playing within my meta?

And questions

Maybe you can also contribute to the game with actual reads and opinions rather than theoretical ponderings?

And questions

3) Afraid? Or aware? No, I'm not afraid to get to L-1 myself, because of two reasons:

a) that's L-1 and not intention to hammer
b) If anyone "accidentally" hammers me they will be almost conf!scum and this is my contribution to the town win.

If you meant aware instead of afraid, then yes, I'm aware of that and unvoted Calamitas shortly after I realised he's there.

I don't get it. If this is how you feel about L-1, then why wouldn't you want someone to be at L-1?

Questioning is a good defence tactics from scum actually. That's the two things that make me think you're scum. But hell I'm not sure just as I'm not sure about anyone.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #361 on: November 07, 2016, 11:56:38 am »

I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust.  But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are.  Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.
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« Reply #362 on: November 07, 2016, 11:57:37 am »

Ok these are the reads I promised
1. SA IS FREAKIN SCUM
Ok so now that that is out of the way
2. RR is really not cool right now so maybe watch as possible scum partner
3. Calm is possible scum as well
4. Robz is sort of lurking can't get a good read
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #363 on: November 07, 2016, 12:03:02 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #364 on: November 07, 2016, 12:13:09 pm »

I didn't understand what was meant,sorry :(
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« Reply #365 on: November 07, 2016, 12:17:23 pm »

I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust.  But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are.  Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.
Well I hate to disappoint you, but whatever you have are not scumtells.
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« Reply #366 on: November 07, 2016, 12:26:46 pm »

Promised case:

The two things you point out are just me trying to get some activity into the game. I question EFHW about her vote to get more reactions. I ask questions so other people contribute. IF you read all my posts, you will realize that I also do things other than asking questions. I feel like your read on me is just because I'm active and trying to get others to contribute as well. Which is a pretty bad reason to suspect someone.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #367 on: November 07, 2016, 12:40:00 pm »

Promised case:

The two things you point out are just me trying to get some activity into the game. I question EFHW about her vote to get more reactions. I ask questions so other people contribute. IF you read all my posts, you will realize that I also do things other than asking questions. I feel like your read on me is just because I'm active and trying to get others to contribute as well. Which is a pretty bad reason to suspect someone.

Well, unindicative asking questions is okay, but you're being super-defensive with them, that's the point
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #369 on: November 07, 2016, 01:20:43 pm »

I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust.  But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are.  Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.

Maybe it's time to tell them? :)
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« Reply #370 on: November 07, 2016, 01:30:21 pm »

Questioning is a good defence tactics from scum actually. That's the two things that make me think you're scum. But hell I'm not sure just as I'm not sure about anyone.

I think sometimes this is true, but faust's questioning doesn't seem scummy. As he says, he's being active for the sake of the game, which is a good thing, and he has more content than most.

LaLight's case strikes me as very bad. Don't know what to make of EFHW's case, given that I can't read it.
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« Reply #371 on: November 07, 2016, 01:44:04 pm »

Man Faust is cool 8)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #372 on: November 07, 2016, 05:02:17 pm »

vote count please
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« Reply #373 on: November 07, 2016, 05:03:05 pm »

oh sorry, saw it
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« Reply #374 on: November 07, 2016, 05:06:37 pm »

vote: EFHW actually. I don't like Jake wagon, don't like Calamitas wagon even more. EFHW behaves slightly different from some games i saw her in.

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« Reply #375 on: November 07, 2016, 05:08:26 pm »

vote: EFHW actually. I don't like Jake wagon, don't like Calamitas wagon even more. EFHW behaves slightly different from some games i saw her in.
How specifically?
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« Reply #376 on: November 07, 2016, 05:10:30 pm »

vote: EFHW actually. I don't like Jake wagon, don't like Calamitas wagon even more. EFHW behaves slightly different from some games i saw her in.
How specifically?

She's too inactive and everything she says is according to the mysterious faust case. Can't see anything more.
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« Reply #377 on: November 07, 2016, 10:02:30 pm »

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« Reply #378 on: November 07, 2016, 10:34:13 pm »

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« Reply #379 on: November 08, 2016, 04:45:21 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #380 on: November 08, 2016, 05:41:45 am »

Questioning is a good defence tactics from scum actually. That's the two things that make me think you're scum. But hell I'm not sure just as I'm not sure about anyone.

I think sometimes this is true, but faust's questioning doesn't seem scummy. As he says, he's being active for the sake of the game, which is a good thing, and he has more content than most.

LaLight's case strikes me as very bad. Don't know what to make of EFHW's case, given that I can't read it.

I agree that most of fausts's questions seemed designed to move the game along. One of the questions LL pulled out wasn't really even a question, more of a statement ending in a question mark, which really felt like a forced argument on LL's part to me.

I'm intrigued enough about EFHW's behaviour that I want to keep both her and Faust around. The thought that I'm playing directly into a scum trap in this respect has crossed my mind, but it's too early in the game to get too worried about that, isn't it?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #381 on: November 08, 2016, 07:52:56 am »

I do have 3 reasons for suspecting faust.  But I doubt they will convince enough people, and then he will know what his scumtells are.  Keeping scum!him off balance is good, too.

Maybe it's time to tell them? :)
Ok, 1. Throwaway posts early in the game. I think town!faust is much more focused.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #382 on: November 08, 2016, 12:20:47 pm »

Ok, 1. Throwaway posts early in the game. I think town!faust is much more focused.
2. Carefree townreading. This happened earlier with Jake, when Robz pointed out that he isn't actually a newbie and faust said "he is to me," or something like that (sorry I am on my phone so searching is too hard). I noticed this in Heroes as well.
3. The defensiveness Lalight has pointed out after I voted him.

So, this.

On 1. I don't think I am less focused as scum. In fact I probably am more focused then. If you go through my recent games, I am fairly certain that this is backed up.

2. This is there, yes. I always make my reads strong because vagueness is the discussion killer. I don't know why this is scummy though. You may have noticed it in Heroes, but that is worth nothing unless you can also show that I don't do it as town.

3. I don't think I was defensive; even if I was, is that inherently scummy? What I certainly was is aware of your vote because it was a reason forme to townread you.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #383 on: November 08, 2016, 12:21:10 pm »

It kinda sucks that my two strongest townreads scumread me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #384 on: November 08, 2016, 05:46:41 pm »

Request prods on: Calamitas, Robz888, e

Seriously, guys?
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« Reply #385 on: November 08, 2016, 05:49:22 pm »

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« Reply #386 on: November 08, 2016, 06:11:41 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #387 on: November 08, 2016, 06:14:38 pm »

Request prods on: Calamitas, Robz888, e

Seriously, guys?

Sorry! But I'm a DC journalist and it's Election Day.

I am up to date but having a really hard time, um, identifying any behavior that I find particularly scummy. I'm voting Calamitas because lurking is scummy in general (do as I say, not as I do), and I really think Jake is town, that's all I got.

I guess the fact that it's this hard to identify scum perhaps does suggest some veteran scum action. But I think I'm leaning scummier on EFHW than on faust. I don't think her case is very good.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #388 on: November 08, 2016, 07:30:16 pm »

Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
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« Reply #389 on: November 08, 2016, 08:54:54 pm »

sorry for the inactivity.  I will post some reads and stuff soon.  Definitely have some solid thoughts before the end of the day in case I get killed at night.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #390 on: November 08, 2016, 09:15:21 pm »

Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #391 on: November 08, 2016, 09:32:13 pm »

Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
Well thanks but if you're gonna be so critical of my English how about I speck in l'esponal and la Francis
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #392 on: November 08, 2016, 09:33:47 pm »

Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
Well thanks but if you're gonna be so critical of my English how about I speck in l'esponal and la Francis
I'm not being critical of your English, you could offend someone.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #393 on: November 09, 2016, 02:50:32 am »

Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum
EFHW is a she and SA is a they
Well thanks but if you're gonna be so critical of my English how about I speck in l'esponal and la Francis
Spanish and French have personal pronouns too.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #394 on: November 09, 2016, 02:59:10 am »

@GKrieg, request for punishing people for systematic usage of incorrect pronouns.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #395 on: November 09, 2016, 09:29:26 am »

Thanks robz but guys EFHW may be scum but his partner is SA. He is scum

I AM NOT A MAN. STOP CALLING ME "HE"!!!!!

I find it really uncomfortable to keep having to bring this up , because I feel it detracts from game-play, but I feel like too many people just don't get it. My preferred pronoun is "they", but if you really can't deal with that, I will accept "she".

Also! The whole argument that almost everyone in here is male, so it's natural to default to "he" is just a load of bullshit. There's a perfectly good generic pronoun to use if you don't know someone's gender, or don't want to misgender a person, and you know what that is? Hint: IT'S THE PRONOUN I'M ASKING YOU TO USE ANYWAY!

Lastly, I'm not using "they" to try to hide away from the fact I'm female. I'm using it because gender norms and expectations can f*** themselves as far as I'm concerned, and because there are plenty of people, including every transwoman ever, who have more right to a feminine pronoun than I do. This current political climate is shit, and I'm just not willing to give in to all the entitled straight cis white males out there who can't deal with showing everyone else some basic human respect.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #396 on: November 09, 2016, 09:46:05 am »

Hey, everybody, please do a better job of referring to people the way they have asked to be referred to.

At the same time, SA, the pledge requires you to assume good-faith on the part of your fellow players. I don't think we should punish people for making mistakes--it's hard to change deeply ingrained habits, even when you want to.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #397 on: November 09, 2016, 10:00:05 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?
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« Reply #398 on: November 09, 2016, 10:02:38 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?

I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #399 on: November 09, 2016, 10:03:40 am »

I am here. It's been a busy week/weekend and I haven't been able to focus on this game as much as I should. I will do what I can over the next two days
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #400 on: November 09, 2016, 10:04:36 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?

I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?

It's EFHW/Jake for me. Wouldn't lynch Space-A, Faust, you (and E of course).

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #401 on: November 09, 2016, 10:06:04 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?

I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?

It's EFHW/Jake for me. Wouldn't lynch Space-A, Faust, you (and E of course).

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Hmm. I REALLY don't think Jake is scum. I mean I'm probably overcommitted to this position at this point, because who ultimately knows anything on Day 1. But EFHW seems like a much better bet to me.
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« Reply #402 on: November 09, 2016, 10:06:59 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?

I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?

It's EFHW/Jake for me. Wouldn't lynch Space-A, Faust, you (and E of course).

PPE: 1

Hmm. I REALLY don't think Jake is scum. I mean I'm probably overcommitted to this position at this point, because who ultimately knows anything on Day 1. But EFHW seems like a much better bet to me.

And I am currently voting for her :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #403 on: November 09, 2016, 10:09:55 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?

I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
"Not lynch" in the sense of no-lynch over lynching them or in the sense of rather not lynching them?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #404 on: November 09, 2016, 10:15:37 am »

At the same time, SA, the pledge requires you to assume good-faith on the part of your fellow players.

I assume good faith and ignorance on Jake's part. He wasn't even here when I first joined the forum. I died N1 in my first game, and nobody had even gendered me at all by that point... which was fine by me :-P

There is precedent for the mod stepping in -- Haddock did so in BSG when it was getting out of hand and the offenders didn't seem to be taking it seriously. In a more direct approach, a couple of mods have stepped in to edit incorrect posts made by other players, and for the record, I appreciate that :-) I think giving people a clear, firm example is the best way to make it less awkward for everyone. I just don't always have the energy to get into a debate on my right to use singular they when I'm also trying to hunt scums or something... and I don't like having to pick one over the other.

Frequent offenders (not Jake) have made excuses like "well, pretty much everyone here is a he", so I'm not making up wild accusations there. Attitudes like that are not the way to build an inclusive community, and goodness knows inclusivity is something the world needs more of today :-)

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #405 on: November 09, 2016, 10:17:04 am »

it's deadline in 2 days actually.
What are your top candidates for the lynch? Where's E?

I would like to lynch Calamitas or EFHW. I would not lynch you, Jake, or E. Everyone else, I guess is on the table. What about you?
"Not lynch" in the sense of no-lynch over lynching them or in the sense of rather not lynching them?

Rather not lynch, I should have been more clear. Well, I won't lynch E even if it means No Lynch but other than that, yeah.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #406 on: November 09, 2016, 10:38:12 am »

What's scummy about EFHW?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #407 on: November 09, 2016, 10:51:49 am »

Hey, everybody, please do a better job of referring to people the way they have asked to be referred to.

At the same time, SA, the pledge requires you to assume good-faith on the part of your fellow players. I don't think we should punish people for making mistakes--it's hard to change deeply ingrained habits, even when you want to.

And Jake, you should probably tone in a down a bit, dude--you signed the pledge too.

All good? Let's move on.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #408 on: November 09, 2016, 10:54:14 am »

What's scummy about EFHW?

Her (cloaked in mystery) case on you wasn't very good, in my opinion. And the way she hid it was strange. Odd behavior. Is it necessarily scummy, I'm not sure, but it's something. Also, a sneaking suspicion that there is a vet scum, and she is the most likely candidate. I have a town read on you.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #409 on: November 09, 2016, 10:56:13 am »

But I think I'm leaning scummier on EFHW than on faust. I don't think her case is very good.

Anybody interest in an EFHW wagon? Gosh, I hate lynching vets on Day 1 though.
See what I mean?  I said my case wasn't very good, and then I'm pressed to share it anyway, and now I'm getting a wagon because my case wasn't very good!

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #410 on: November 09, 2016, 10:58:00 am »

There's another possibility for a vet scum that you haven't mentioned, you know. Not that I expect you to vote yourself.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #411 on: November 09, 2016, 10:59:44 am »

I think EFHW is town but I also think this is one of those frequent situations where I'm way off.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #412 on: November 09, 2016, 11:18:45 am »

But I think I'm leaning scummier on EFHW than on faust. I don't think her case is very good.

Anybody interest in an EFHW wagon? Gosh, I hate lynching vets on Day 1 though.
See what I mean?  I said my case wasn't very good, and then I'm pressed to share it anyway, and now I'm getting a wagon because my case wasn't very good!

Well, I don't know if that's exactly what happened.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #413 on: November 09, 2016, 11:19:42 am »

Is it Calamitas' meta to not saying anything of substance on Day 1?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #414 on: November 09, 2016, 11:48:12 am »

This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #415 on: November 09, 2016, 11:49:24 am »

This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.

I think it has merit because I'm having an unusually difficult time developing scumreads.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #416 on: November 09, 2016, 11:49:49 am »

Is it Calamitas' meta to not saying anything of substance on Day 1?
Cna't really tell; he did not play a lot of games. I remember him being kinda silent in one game I watched/modded (?). Activity did pick up later on, but not by a whole lot.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #417 on: November 09, 2016, 11:50:35 am »

This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.

I think it has merit because I'm having an unusually difficult time developing scumreads.
That's just because you were gone a long time and don't know meta. If anything, it should be easier for you to get reads on players you already know.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #418 on: November 09, 2016, 11:51:48 am »

And also because there's not a lot of activity.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #419 on: November 09, 2016, 11:52:05 am »

I think EFHW is town but I also think this is one of those frequent situations where I'm way off.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #420 on: November 09, 2016, 11:52:52 am »

Also, EFHW behaving odd and resufing to explain reads is a town tell.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #421 on: November 09, 2016, 11:54:45 am »

EFHW's case on me may not have been very good, but it was certainly better than "Boo hoo I'm so bad at this game I guess there must be experienced scum".
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #422 on: November 09, 2016, 12:09:34 pm »

I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.

I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him

I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #423 on: November 09, 2016, 12:10:54 pm »

I think EFHW is town but I also think this is one of those frequent situations where I'm way off.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #424 on: November 09, 2016, 12:12:47 pm »

This vet scum theory is straight up bullshit and there isn't a single reason to believe that any vet has a higher chance of being scum than other people just because they are a vet.

Surely the theory is just that vets are more practised at hiding the fact they're scum than newbies who may get over-excited or over-nervous or something?

We all have the same prior probability of being scum, and (weak, limited) evidence observed so far in the game suggests shows that newbies don't seem to be slipping up yet. Since newbies have a higher rate of slip-ups than vets*, and since no slip-ups have been detects, the posterior probability of a given being scum is slightly elevated. The logic is sound at least.

*Personally, I don't believe the premise that newbies must all be more likely to slip than vets... NM8 is a lovely illustration :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #425 on: November 09, 2016, 12:18:47 pm »

I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.

I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him

I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #426 on: November 09, 2016, 12:36:02 pm »

I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.

I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him

I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?

Mine was a pressure vote to a certain extent. You haven't said anything alignment-indicative, and that in itself is inconvenient when there are no strong reads flying around.

I think lurking is marginally negative, as these things go. Town have good reason to lurk sometimes (too much work, illness, travel etc), but the utility of lurky behaviour is higher for scum because it lets them fly under the radar for a while, so certain people may well do it more as scum than as town. I don't know whether or not you're one of those people.

I hope your exam today went okay :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #427 on: November 09, 2016, 12:38:05 pm »

Ok 1. Sorry for anything offensevive I said SA didn't know but your still scum
2. I could see calm or EFHW as scum would be fine with lynching ethier
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #428 on: November 09, 2016, 12:38:32 pm »

Can I get a Vote Count
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #429 on: November 09, 2016, 12:50:39 pm »

I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.

I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him

I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?

Mine was a pressure vote to a certain extent. You haven't said anything alignment-indicative, and that in itself is inconvenient when there are no strong reads flying around.

I think lurking is marginally negative, as these things go. Town have good reason to lurk sometimes (too much work, illness, travel etc), but the utility of lurky behaviour is higher for scum because it lets them fly under the radar for a while, so certain people may well do it more as scum than as town. I don't know whether or not you're one of those people.

I hope your exam today went okay :-)
I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #430 on: November 09, 2016, 01:30:02 pm »

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.

Not being able to offer anything at all is pretty scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #431 on: November 09, 2016, 01:33:37 pm »

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.

Not being able to offer anything at all is pretty scummy.
This is just wrong. "Scummy" refers to behaviour which is more likely to be made with scum-alignment than with town-alignment (which is obviously different from person to person).
And this is just not the case here.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #432 on: November 09, 2016, 01:45:53 pm »

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.

Not being able to offer anything at all is pretty scummy.
This is just wrong. "Scummy" refers to behaviour which is more likely to be made with scum-alignment than with town-alignment (which is obviously different from person to person).
And this is just not the case here.
It is anti-town though, so that makes you a better lynch than the average player.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #433 on: November 09, 2016, 01:48:47 pm »

I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.

Erm.. This is scummy, you know. You're talking about "either alignment" and no reads. You should have gut reads at least, it's still D1.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #434 on: November 09, 2016, 01:52:56 pm »

I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.

Erm.. This is scummy, you know. You're talking about "either alignment" and no reads. You should have gut reads at least, it's still D1.
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This again, is not scummy. I have used the term "either alignment" as either alignment before...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #435 on: November 09, 2016, 01:59:31 pm »

Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
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« Reply #436 on: November 09, 2016, 02:00:44 pm »

Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?

like killing people in the night
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #437 on: November 09, 2016, 02:02:54 pm »

Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
If I could/would do that on purpose it wouldn't be alignment-indicative anymore
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #438 on: November 09, 2016, 02:13:25 pm »

Hey Calamiteas, how about you start doing stuff that is alignment-andicative?
If I could/would do that on purpose it wouldn't be alignment-indicative anymore

This isn't remotely helpful.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #439 on: November 09, 2016, 02:56:20 pm »

I agree with faust that efhw is behaving townie with her case against faust.

I also think faust is also townie for defending efhw, even though she is the one building a case against him

I am ok with the general group think feeling that I am getting saying Calamitas is scum
What exactly is the case on me (except lurking which is not alignment-indicative)?

Mine was a pressure vote to a certain extent. You haven't said anything alignment-indicative, and that in itself is inconvenient when there are no strong reads flying around.

I think lurking is marginally negative, as these things go. Town have good reason to lurk sometimes (too much work, illness, travel etc), but the utility of lurky behaviour is higher for scum because it lets them fly under the radar for a while, so certain people may well do it more as scum than as town. I don't know whether or not you're one of those people.

I hope your exam today went okay :-)
I haven't been very active on Day 1 with either alignment I think, just because i find it hard to work with so little (or nothing). So in my case, that is absolutely not alignment-indicative.

In terms of reads, I still cannot offer anything at all.
Your acting very scummy so Vote: Calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #440 on: November 09, 2016, 03:11:41 pm »

This is L-1.
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« Reply #441 on: November 09, 2016, 03:12:39 pm »

Bad wagon is bad.

Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
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« Reply #442 on: November 09, 2016, 03:16:29 pm »

Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.
Both of those wagons are bad as well.

It's D1.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #443 on: November 09, 2016, 03:22:22 pm »

Unofficial Space-Count

Jake (3): Roadrunner, EFHW, Calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #444 on: November 09, 2016, 03:26:03 pm »

Bad wagon is bad.

Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.

Or try something else :-)

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« Reply #445 on: November 09, 2016, 03:29:46 pm »

Maybe I can actually get behind that
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #446 on: November 09, 2016, 03:56:42 pm »

Bad wagon is bad.

Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.

Or try something else :-)

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« Reply #447 on: November 09, 2016, 03:58:33 pm »

And what happened to
I'm intrigued enough about EFHW's behaviour that I want to keep both her and Faust around. The thought that I'm playing directly into a scum trap in this respect has crossed my mind, but it's too early in the game to get too worried about that, isn't it?
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« Reply #448 on: November 09, 2016, 04:27:14 pm »

Vote: Space Anemone
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« Reply #449 on: November 09, 2016, 04:28:30 pm »

OMGUS is bad, covering for it with a smiley face is worse, also directly contradicts his recent stance. And voting faust is not a good idea.
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« Reply #450 on: November 09, 2016, 04:34:06 pm »

Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)
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« Reply #451 on: November 09, 2016, 04:34:22 pm »

But I'm fine with Calamitas.
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« Reply #452 on: November 09, 2016, 04:40:53 pm »

But I'm fine with Calamitas.

Calamitas is doing absolutely nothing to save himself though. He like obstinately refuses to post more, or come up with reads... which is really bad for town, but also a self-defeating scum tactic. He's barely fighting his wagon. Starting to read more as disinterested town to me.
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« Reply #453 on: November 09, 2016, 04:42:18 pm »

But I'm fine with Calamitas.

Calamitas is doing absolutely nothing to save himself though. He like obstinately refuses to post more, or come up with reads... which is really bad for town, but also a self-defeating scum tactic. He's barely fighting his wagon. Starting to read more as disinterested town to me.

I know he has some exams..
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« Reply #454 on: November 09, 2016, 04:42:32 pm »

Fine Vote: Space-A

Let's see where this gets us.
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« Reply #455 on: November 09, 2016, 04:45:49 pm »

I'm fine with calm or SA I voted calm because no one was voting SA but now that people are realizing what I've been saying all along that SA is scum Vote: SA
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #456 on: November 09, 2016, 06:16:31 pm »

OMGUS is bad, covering for it with a smiley face is worse, also directly contradicts his recent stance. And voting faust is not a good idea.

"his recent stance" -- TBH, I'm not actually the most unhappy mislynch in this game just now.

I wasn't really feeling good about the Calamitas wagon. He's young, and he's an overachiever with a perfect record, so my bet is that he's afraid of making mistakes that will blemish that (or just look retrospectively stupid) when D1 is so short on actual evidence.

I re-read faust, including all the posts he's made since my reads-list post (which is like 40, so not an insubstantial body in itself), and I do think he's come off as the scummier looking of the pair of him and EFHW. And all the game-pushing stuff is actually really easy to fake as scum. So he seemed an interesting choice to switch to at a point this evening where I could keep an eye on the game and jump off if the wagon if it ran too fast.

Of course, I'd expected scums to maybe join the wagon on faust (particularly since EFHW was pushing him earlier) rather than jump to me, but hey, this works too.

I use smilies often.. people just have to get over it.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #457 on: November 09, 2016, 06:21:04 pm »

Maybe I'm just a sucker but I am not going to vote for SA today and I strongly encourage others to not.

vote: Faust seems okay.
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« Reply #458 on: November 09, 2016, 06:21:38 pm »

For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #459 on: November 09, 2016, 06:24:03 pm »

Vote Count 1.4

Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (1): LaLight
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SpaceAnemone (3): Robz, faust, Jake

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #460 on: November 09, 2016, 06:28:00 pm »

@GKrieg, request for punishing people for systematic usage of incorrect pronouns.

There is precedent for the mod stepping in -- Haddock did so in BSG when it was getting out of hand and the offenders didn't seem to be taking it seriously. In a more direct approach, a couple of mods have stepped in to edit incorrect posts made by other players, and for the record, I appreciate that :-) I think giving people a clear, firm example is the best way to make it less awkward for everyone. I just don't always have the energy to get into a debate on my right to use singular they when I'm also trying to hunt scums or something... and I don't like having to pick one over the other.

Frequent offenders (not Jake) have made excuses like "well, pretty much everyone here is a he", so I'm not making up wild accusations there. Attitudes like that are not the way to build an inclusive community, and goodness knows inclusivity is something the world needs more of today :-)

Please everyone play nice.  This is something that is obviously really important to SpaceAnemone, so please treat them with respect.  If you really have a problem remembering, just use they/them for everyone.  I'm pretty sure no one is offended by that.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #461 on: November 09, 2016, 06:33:19 pm »

I don't have the time to reread until deadline and no real preferences. Will vote for everyone if required when I get online again (about an hour before deadline).
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« Reply #462 on: November 09, 2016, 07:00:03 pm »

For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
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« Reply #463 on: November 09, 2016, 07:20:59 pm »

For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
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I've told you several/many times before. I'm not going to restate my reasons so that you can come up with another numbered list of 'rebuttals.'
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« Reply #464 on: November 09, 2016, 07:55:33 pm »

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For the record I think Jake is a better lynch that Faust but it's pretty close
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« Reply #466 on: November 09, 2016, 08:51:23 pm »

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« Reply #467 on: November 09, 2016, 08:55:07 pm »

But I'm fine with Calamitas.

Calamitas is doing absolutely nothing to save himself though. He like obstinately refuses to post more, or come up with reads... which is really bad for town, but also a self-defeating scum tactic. He's barely fighting his wagon. Starting to read more as disinterested town to me.

I don't know Calamitas' playstyle to really know if this is true, but I don't know if I want to completely abandon Calamitas as a lynch option
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« Reply #468 on: November 09, 2016, 08:58:17 pm »

Unfortunately busy tonight, but I will be on before the deadline and will vote anyone who is at L-1 then.
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« Reply #469 on: November 09, 2016, 08:58:35 pm »

And I will try to get my thoughts down later tonight, but no promises.
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« Reply #470 on: November 09, 2016, 08:59:11 pm »

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« Reply #471 on: November 10, 2016, 06:44:21 am »

Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)

Huh.. is this a deliberate fake townslip, given that we only have two scums according to the setup?

LL's too smart not to be aware of that, I think. Could just be him making a joke, though.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #472 on: November 10, 2016, 07:48:32 am »

Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)

Huh.. is this a deliberate fake townslip, given that we only have two scums according to the setup?

LL's too smart not to be aware of that, I think. Could just be him making a joke, though.

You're too suspicious :) I wrote that then realised there's only two scums then left it as it is as a joke :P
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« Reply #473 on: November 10, 2016, 08:59:14 am »

So uh guys. We have two hours left. Who is here? Raise of hands.
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« Reply #474 on: November 10, 2016, 09:00:42 am »

My lynch preferences are something like RR > Space-A > Calamitas. Won't lynch LaLight, EFHW, e and probably not Robz.
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« Reply #475 on: November 10, 2016, 09:00:51 am »

So uh guys. We have two hours left. Who is here? Raise of hands.

I'm here, though home sick again and about to be on a 1-hour conference call...
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« Reply #476 on: November 10, 2016, 09:02:03 am »

So uh guys. We have two hours left. Who is here? Raise of hands.

I'm here, though home sick again and about to be on a 1-hour conference call...
Who would you vote for?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #477 on: November 10, 2016, 09:04:16 am »

I am terrible at making reads. I always laugh a little to myself when people label me a 'good' player, because of you look back through my record I actually have quite terrible reads most of the time. I am just confident and talk like I know what I am doing all the time.

Anyway, this time, I really have no clue, but need to put something down.

My favorite scum suspect right now is still faust, but most importantly, we need a lynch D1.

I feel like Jake is not the best lynch. I get the feeling that he will trap himself if he is scum on D3 or something, so willing to let that wait.

Space is active, and I hate lynching active people d1 because they usually get lynched because in their proliferation of posts, someone found something scummy. Which is easy enough to do.

But then....we haven't had any real lurkers this game (except me...sorry). Calamitas isn't actually lurking. Lower post count, but not lurking.

I am going to go back to an early gut read and put vote: faust out there. Nothing is L-1, and hopefully I will be able to log on before deadline, but maybe not.

Bottom line. We need a lynch. Let's get it done
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #478 on: November 10, 2016, 09:06:00 am »

Fuck this.

I am the Tracker.

Move your vote now.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #479 on: November 10, 2016, 09:11:23 am »

I have no idea how people think I'm scum, because I'm not remotely scummy and haven't even tried to play differently this time.

Is there anyone else here? Let's do a lnch thing. Le's hope e comes back and uh doesn't just throw a vote there and leave. Man this sucks.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #480 on: November 10, 2016, 09:11:56 am »

And all of you convienently posted last night so I can't even prod you.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #481 on: November 10, 2016, 09:14:39 am »

Unvote

Can't focus while on this call -- will re-read at 3pm my time.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #482 on: November 10, 2016, 09:15:09 am »

I re-read faust, including all the posts he's made since my reads-list post (which is like 40, so not an insubstantial body in itself), and I do think he's come off as the scummier looking of the pair of him and EFHW. And all the game-pushing stuff is actually really easy to fake as scum. So he seemed an interesting choice to switch to at a point this evening where I could keep an eye on the game and jump off if the wagon if it ran too fast.

Man I must have skipped this. This is not even a case. It's just hedgy opportunistic vote placement together with throwing the (completely unsupported by any evidence) idea out there that one of EFHW and me must be scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #483 on: November 10, 2016, 09:18:08 am »

So I stalked everyone of you via the forum and you all have been online this morning. So where are you?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #484 on: November 10, 2016, 09:19:29 am »

So I stalked everyone of you via the forum and you all have been online this morning. So where are you?

I love stalking. I spend half my time on the "who's online page"

Anyway, vote: SpaceAnemone
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #485 on: November 10, 2016, 09:22:06 am »

So that's L-1.

I have a slight preference for lynching RR, but I won't complain if my second-best option gets lynched.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #486 on: November 10, 2016, 09:22:52 am »

I'd switch to RR if I feel like this becomes an option. I will be here until the deadline.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #487 on: November 10, 2016, 09:33:55 am »

I'm here for a minute and will be again for 15 at 10:15. Prefer Jake lynch over the other choices.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #488 on: November 10, 2016, 09:35:39 am »

I'm here for a minute and will be again for 15 at 10:15. Prefer Jake lynch over the other choices.
It's not happening.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #489 on: November 10, 2016, 09:35:57 am »

faust - why did you claim?  You only had 2 votes.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #490 on: November 10, 2016, 09:37:34 am »

faust - why did you claim?  You only had 2 votes.
I had the IC vote. Also in my head RR was still voting for me, so that would have been L-2.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #491 on: November 10, 2016, 09:39:00 am »

I don't like the Space wagon. Would consider Calamitas.  He should have things to say by now.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #492 on: November 10, 2016, 09:40:37 am »

What about RR?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #493 on: November 10, 2016, 09:41:46 am »

Also, will you hammer Space over a no-lynch?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #494 on: November 10, 2016, 09:55:32 am »

So I stalked everyone of you via the forum and you all have been online this morning. So where are you?

I love stalking. I spend half my time on the "who's online page"

Anyway, vote: SpaceAnemone

That makes little sense... I'm one of only about two people who'd posted as well as viewed the page when faust posted that. Go poke all the people who're lurking instead!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #495 on: November 10, 2016, 10:02:55 am »

do we really have so little time? I prefer Calamitas/Jake/RR, this order.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #496 on: November 10, 2016, 10:04:38 am »

I'm here guys. Not really sure why I'm such a prime lynch but whatever.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #497 on: November 10, 2016, 10:06:14 am »

WOW IT'S REALLY ONE HOUR LEFT

Make a vote count somebody please
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #498 on: November 10, 2016, 10:06:57 am »

Calamitas is still silent.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #499 on: November 10, 2016, 10:07:41 am »

Throwing votes around.. Will be lol if Faust, EFHW and Robz are scums :)

Huh.. is this a deliberate fake townslip, given that we only have two scums according to the setup?

LL's too smart not to be aware of that, I think. Could just be him making a joke, though.

You're too suspicious :) I wrote that then realised there's only two scums then left it as it is as a joke :P

Okay, another thing: why did you push me for acting differently at the end of last week? You're the only person in this game with whom I have personal enough conversations to have mentioned why I was so out of things at that point. It's not something anyone other than me would be able to pick up on, but in retrospect, it's also a bit suspicious :-(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #500 on: November 10, 2016, 10:11:35 am »

Calamitas is still silent.

He could still be in school. I think he was only expecting to be back the hour before the deadline anyway, wasn't he?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #501 on: November 10, 2016, 10:13:35 am »

Vote: RR

Let's see if this works.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #502 on: November 10, 2016, 10:15:26 am »

Calamitas is still silent.

He could still be in school. I think he was only expecting to be back the hour before the deadline anyway, wasn't he?

Now is hour before the deadline :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #503 on: November 10, 2016, 10:16:04 am »

I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #504 on: November 10, 2016, 10:18:35 am »

Vote: RR

Let's see if this works.

I'll bite.
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« Reply #505 on: November 10, 2016, 10:20:01 am »

I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.

There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.

Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #506 on: November 10, 2016, 10:21:17 am »

Space-Count

Jake (3): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner
Calamitas (1): LaLight
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #507 on: November 10, 2016, 10:21:31 am »

I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.

There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.

Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..

Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #508 on: November 10, 2016, 10:23:22 am »

vote: RoadRunner7671
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #509 on: November 10, 2016, 10:23:54 am »

I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.

There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.

Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..

Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #510 on: November 10, 2016, 10:24:16 am »

The thing that just bugs me about RR is how we've had wagons for lurking (Calamitas) and for fluff (Jake) and RR does both these things and never gets suspected.

Plus there are signs in his play that signal scum, like the "oh I think this, but basically what I think is completely useless".
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #511 on: November 10, 2016, 10:24:43 am »

I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.

There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.

Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..

Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.

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We can with sufficient negative modifiers, but it's unlikely.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #512 on: November 10, 2016, 10:25:08 am »

I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.

There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.

Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..

Uh I'll probably be dead come tomorrow.

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We can with sufficient negative modifiers, but it's unlikely.

So why did you claim :(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #513 on: November 10, 2016, 10:27:10 am »

So why did you claim :(

So that you guys don't do anything stupid? And because I think we can lynch scum today.

Note also that something like

(neutral modifier) -> Roleblocker -> ICfied -> Tracker

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« Reply #514 on: November 10, 2016, 10:28:26 am »

EFHW-Count

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #515 on: November 10, 2016, 10:29:34 am »

This is clearly a terrible wagon. Space or lalight are probably scum
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« Reply #516 on: November 10, 2016, 10:29:56 am »

I'm not ok wirh space lynch. Jake or RR. Will switch any time.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #517 on: November 10, 2016, 10:30:14 am »

This is clearly a terrible wagon. Space or lalight are probably scum
Let's lynch this guy already.
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« Reply #518 on: November 10, 2016, 10:30:33 am »

Alright i'm fine with this Vote: RR This is L-1
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #519 on: November 10, 2016, 10:30:57 am »

Would you take a no lynch over a space lynch?
I'm not ok wirh space lynch. Jake or RR. Will switch any time.
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« Reply #520 on: November 10, 2016, 10:31:25 am »

vote: SA
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #521 on: November 10, 2016, 10:31:34 am »

So EFHW. What do you think about RR?
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« Reply #522 on: November 10, 2016, 10:32:06 am »

I have no scum read on him at all.
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« Reply #523 on: November 10, 2016, 10:32:09 am »

Still have no clue what the case on me is
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #524 on: November 10, 2016, 10:32:25 am »

Can someone intend to hammer before they hammer please?
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« Reply #525 on: November 10, 2016, 10:32:50 am »

Mine lynch order is SA>Calm>RR
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« Reply #526 on: November 10, 2016, 10:32:56 am »

You're not going to correctly lynch me D1 if i'm scum. I'm actually halfway decent as scum
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« Reply #527 on: November 10, 2016, 10:33:06 am »

Still have no clue what the case on me is
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« Reply #529 on: November 10, 2016, 10:33:52 am »

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« Reply #530 on: November 10, 2016, 10:33:59 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #531 on: November 10, 2016, 10:34:19 am »

Things change.

@Jake Sa is not a he
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« Reply #532 on: November 10, 2016, 10:34:52 am »

You're not going to correctly lynch me D1 if i'm scum. I'm actually halfway decent as scum
Which is why you didn't get suspected until now.

Everyone can be correctly lynched D1.
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« Reply #533 on: November 10, 2016, 10:34:58 am »

EFHW-Count

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« Reply #535 on: November 10, 2016, 10:35:19 am »

Things change.

@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
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« Reply #536 on: November 10, 2016, 10:35:22 am »

Things change.

@Jake Sa is not a he
sorry they
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #537 on: November 10, 2016, 10:35:33 am »

vote: SA

I am not going to vote for SA today

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I think he was considering giving me a day-pass out of pity/borrowed guilt, which was a silly reason anyway. If he thinks I'm scum he should vote for me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #538 on: November 10, 2016, 10:35:40 am »

You're not going to correctly lynch me D1 if i'm scum. I'm actually halfway decent as scum
Which is why you didn't get suspected until now.

Everyone can be correctly lynched D1.
It's not happening this game. I promise
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #539 on: November 10, 2016, 10:35:54 am »

Would you take a no lynch over a space lynch?
I'm not ok wirh space lynch. Jake or RR. Will switch any time.

No, I will switch to them if there will be no other way.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #540 on: November 10, 2016, 10:36:33 am »

Things change.

@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
My wagon got built and it was partially because of reasons SA outlined below.
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« Reply #541 on: November 10, 2016, 10:37:12 am »

gotta go
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #542 on: November 10, 2016, 10:37:17 am »

EFHW-Count

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Your first count was better than mine, because I messed up.

But I think now Jake has moved to RR, so RR's the one at L-1, not me...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #543 on: November 10, 2016, 10:37:38 am »

Things change.

@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
My wagon got built and it was partially because of reasons SA outlined below.
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« Reply #544 on: November 10, 2016, 10:38:04 am »

Things change.

@Jake Sa is not a he
What changed, exactly? In those 16 hours.
My wagon got built and it was partially because of reasons SA outlined below.
How does the wagon on you change your read on Space-A?
I am 100% town. SA is not.
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« Reply #545 on: November 10, 2016, 10:38:13 am »

New Space-Count

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #546 on: November 10, 2016, 10:38:20 am »

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« Reply #547 on: November 10, 2016, 10:39:01 am »

gotta go
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« Reply #548 on: November 10, 2016, 10:39:44 am »

I don't really want to get mislynched guys
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« Reply #549 on: November 10, 2016, 10:39:55 am »

gotta go

Seriously bad timing, given that you're not on either major wagon!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #550 on: November 10, 2016, 10:40:00 am »

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« Reply #551 on: November 10, 2016, 10:40:13 am »

I don't really want to get mislynched guys

Snap! :-P
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« Reply #552 on: November 10, 2016, 10:40:23 am »

Jake Vote Count

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RR: Jake, LL, Space, Faust
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« Reply #553 on: November 10, 2016, 10:40:35 am »

Will be fine with space or RR
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #554 on: November 10, 2016, 10:40:54 am »

gotta go
Seriously? Change your vote!

Now everyone who's here is voting for RR.

Except RR himself!

Wel yeah. We can wait like 10 minutes for someone to show up, but otherwise we might have to move. I support waiting at least those 10 minutes though.
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« Reply #555 on: November 10, 2016, 10:41:20 am »

@Jake move to your first choice between Sa and RR.
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« Reply #556 on: November 10, 2016, 10:42:04 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #557 on: November 10, 2016, 10:42:21 am »

@Jake move to your first choice between Sa and RR.

I'm pretty sure he's there already.

I hope that tomorrow, while you step over my cold body, you will think about everything that happened here.
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« Reply #558 on: November 10, 2016, 10:42:59 am »

SA is my first choice so Vote: SA
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #559 on: November 10, 2016, 10:43:08 am »

gotta go
Seriously? Change your vote!

Now everyone who's here is voting for RR.

Except RR himself!

Wel yeah. We can wait like 10 minutes for someone to show up, but otherwise we might have to move. I support waiting at least those 10 minutes though.

I'm here till the deadline, so I can wait.

Are we expecting e and Robz?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #560 on: November 10, 2016, 10:43:27 am »

I'm back from school now. intend to hammer rr , no lynch would be catastrophic.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #561 on: November 10, 2016, 10:43:42 am »

I don't really want to get mislynched guys

Snap! :-P
Claim then

Were you even reading the PR part of the discussion a little while ago?
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« Reply #562 on: November 10, 2016, 10:44:17 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #563 on: November 10, 2016, 10:44:25 am »

I'm back from school now. intend to hammer rr , no lynch would be catastrophic.

RR's not at L-1 anymore.
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« Reply #564 on: November 10, 2016, 10:44:38 am »

I'm a vanilla agent

I know that doesn't help my case but it's the truth
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« Reply #565 on: November 10, 2016, 10:45:31 am »

Calamitas, if you vote now, we can get RR lynched with help of Jake.
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« Reply #566 on: November 10, 2016, 10:45:54 am »

wow lol
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #567 on: November 10, 2016, 10:46:06 am »

Vote Count 1.5

Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Roadrunner (3): LaLight, SpaceAnemone, faust
SpaceAnemone (4): Robz, Roadrunner, e, Jake

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #568 on: November 10, 2016, 10:46:09 am »

Calamitas, if you vote now, we can get RR lynched with help of Jake.
Stop please. You don't want to lynch me if you're town
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #569 on: November 10, 2016, 10:46:26 am »

 I'm not voting for myself  :P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #570 on: November 10, 2016, 10:46:29 am »

I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?
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« Reply #571 on: November 10, 2016, 10:46:46 am »

I'm a vanilla agent

I know that doesn't help my case but it's the truth

Yeah, but as I was heavily implying earlier, there's very little chance of having anything other than VTs. Remember that even if we have some of those negative modifiers, as VTs we don't actually get to know about it usually.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #572 on: November 10, 2016, 10:46:57 am »

Vote Count 1.5

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« Reply #573 on: November 10, 2016, 10:47:09 am »

I'm not voting for myself  :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.
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« Reply #574 on: November 10, 2016, 10:47:15 am »

Vote Count 1.5

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This makes no sense please retry Big G
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #575 on: November 10, 2016, 10:47:23 am »

I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?

Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
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« Reply #576 on: November 10, 2016, 10:47:26 am »

The thing refreshed while I posted. Neat!
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« Reply #577 on: November 10, 2016, 10:48:25 am »

I'm not voting for myself  :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.

No.
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« Reply #578 on: November 10, 2016, 10:48:47 am »

Space-Count

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« Reply #579 on: November 10, 2016, 10:48:52 am »

Vote Count 1.5


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am

That's what I see.
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« Reply #580 on: November 10, 2016, 10:49:14 am »

Vote Count 1.5


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am

That's what I see.
Same
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #581 on: November 10, 2016, 10:49:24 am »

Vote Count 1.5

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #582 on: November 10, 2016, 10:49:31 am »

I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?

Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
Typo, typed before thinking.

Don't really have a preference for either one {RR,SA}, what do you think faust?
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« Reply #583 on: November 10, 2016, 10:50:17 am »

I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?

Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
Typo, typed before thinking.

Don't really have a preference for either one {RR,SA}, what do you think faust?

I think Space has been a lot townier in this final series of posts and we should lynch RR.
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« Reply #584 on: November 10, 2016, 10:50:36 am »

I thought RR is at LyLO (referring to Spaces' count)?

Lylo is something different. He was at L-1, but then Jake shifted his vote back to me.
Typo, typed before thinking.

Don't really have a preference for either one {RR,SA}, what do you think faust?


You can see what he thinks.
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« Reply #585 on: November 10, 2016, 10:51:11 am »

I'm not voting for myself  :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.

No.

Want me to self-hammer to avoid a no-lynch? It seems kind of stupid, but it's trendy in some circles :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #586 on: November 10, 2016, 10:51:16 am »

I think RR's claim is false lynch him Vote: RR
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #587 on: November 10, 2016, 10:51:29 am »

I'm not voting for myself  :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.

No.
Typo, wanted to write worse. Self-voting is sensible as VT to avoid no-lynch. Though here an alternative (SA) exists, so it isn't good anymore for town!rr to self-vote.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #588 on: November 10, 2016, 10:51:46 am »

Well, I'm dead. But I am town.

Good luck guys  :)
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« Reply #589 on: November 10, 2016, 10:52:00 am »

Trying to go out on a high note  ;)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #590 on: November 10, 2016, 10:52:22 am »

I'm not voting for myself  :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.

No.

Want me to self-hammer to avoid a no-lynch? It seems kind of stupid, but it's trendy in some circles :-P

Nah. The sole reason VT mislynches can be okay is wagon analysis. You break that by self-voting.

Also we can lynch RR now.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #591 on: November 10, 2016, 10:52:34 am »

8 minutes guys someone vote RR
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #592 on: November 10, 2016, 10:53:06 am »

I'd be scummy on Jake and LaLight guys, but I think that's all I got.
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« Reply #593 on: November 10, 2016, 10:53:15 am »

Well, I'm dead. But I am town.

Good luck guys  :)

You're not dead yet, but of course ou know this, you've been quoting vote counts. This is just a fake townslip attempt.
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« Reply #594 on: November 10, 2016, 10:53:45 am »

Well, I'm dead. But I am town.

Good luck guys  :)

You're not dead yet, but of course ou know this, you've been quoting vote counts. This is just a fake townslip attempt.
I know we're not in twilight, I meant I am 100% going to die
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #595 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:05 am »

vote: rr
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #596 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:15 am »

@Calamitas, come on!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #597 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:26 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #598 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:31 am »

Now I'm dead.

I was town, of course. But good luck!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #599 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:42 am »

@Calamitas, come on!

You should check your PPEs ;)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #600 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:51 am »

@Calamitas, come on!

He's hammered :-)
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« Reply #601 on: November 10, 2016, 10:54:58 am »

There
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #602 on: November 10, 2016, 10:55:06 am »

Vote Count 1.final

Jake (1): EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #603 on: November 10, 2016, 10:55:20 am »

@Calamitas, come on!

You should check your PPEs ;)

It wasn't there surprisingly
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #604 on: November 10, 2016, 10:55:26 am »

Don't know why Jake is so satisfied...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #605 on: November 10, 2016, 10:55:32 am »

Bye!
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« Reply #606 on: November 10, 2016, 10:55:54 am »

Don't know why Jake is so satisfied...
I'm not but we needed a lynch
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #607 on: November 10, 2016, 10:56:12 am »

Final thoughts:

EFHW seems like town. LaLight too.

If RR is sucm, we should be good. Otherwise, look at Space and Calamitas again. Also, Robz needs a closer look on D2.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #608 on: November 10, 2016, 10:56:16 am »

Why do you think that? Because tyhat's what peopel told you?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #609 on: November 10, 2016, 10:56:25 am »

Final thoughts:

EFHW seems like town. LaLight too.

If RR is sucm, we should be good. Otherwise, look at Space and Calamitas again. Also, Robz needs a closer look on D2.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #610 on: November 10, 2016, 10:56:45 am »

RR, see ya in the other threads!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #611 on: November 10, 2016, 10:57:51 am »

EFHW seems like town.

Can you explain that one a little more?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #612 on: November 10, 2016, 10:58:59 am »

EFHW seems like town.

Can you explain that one a little more?

As scum she only has one partner. She could have decided this by voting for the person who isn't her partner. She didn't. That's townie. (Of course this assumes that scum was among the options.)
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« Reply #613 on: November 10, 2016, 10:59:38 am »

I can see Faust/EFHW-team. E will be killed, fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #614 on: November 10, 2016, 11:00:49 am »

fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.

Not quite sure how these two go together.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #615 on: November 10, 2016, 11:01:39 am »

fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.

Not quite sure how these two go together.

You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #616 on: November 10, 2016, 11:02:10 am »

There is scum on my wagon just so you guys know.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #617 on: November 10, 2016, 11:02:37 am »

And it looks like peopel still cant't really read me, but it happens
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #618 on: November 10, 2016, 11:02:50 am »

fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.

Not quite sure how these two go together.

You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.

We can have a mass claim then if you're so worried. That should out me as scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #619 on: November 10, 2016, 11:03:42 am »

There is scum on my wagon just so you guys know.

Yeah well, the only way there's no scum on your wagon if you're town is if the scum is EFHW/Robz.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #620 on: November 10, 2016, 11:03:59 am »

fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.

Not quite sure how these two go together.

You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.

We can have a mass claim then if you're so worried. That should out me as scum.

Massclaim D2 is a horrible idea, if you're scum. We have more town PRs and scum will have its targets.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #621 on: November 10, 2016, 11:04:46 am »

fausr surprisingly survives and everyone believes him.

Not quite sure how these two go together.

You'll claim some Tracks and everyone will believe killing E is more important, so you still will rule here.

We can have a mass claim then if you're so worried. That should out me as scum.

Massclaim D2 is a horrible idea, if you're scum. We have more town PRs and scum will have its targets.
This is a small game. Catching scum is more important than hoping for stuff to happen that never may.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #622 on: November 10, 2016, 11:05:28 am »

Annie raced to find Lena.  She knew that her last location was in Moscow.  But she also knew no one in their right mind would let her back into Russia.  She needed a cover and she needed one fast.

Maybe she could use her Smithsonian cover? 

No too risky.  Lena had known about that cover when Annie worked for her.

She needed something else...  Something edgy.  She knew just the thing.

As she went through паспортный контроль, they asked her what she was up to.

Фамилия, имя, отчество? the guard asked.

Excuse me?

Your name please? He asked in a somewhat annoyed tone.

Madison Straights, I'm here to interview Russians about life under Putin for a story I'm putting together for the American people.  I'm trying to give them a picture of what it would be like to live here.

The guard rolled his eyes, stamped her passport, said "Добро пожаловать в Россию" and she was on her way.  Little did she know, Lena was already at work.  Her one-time handler, and dearest friend was dead.

Roadrunner has been lynched.  He was Calder Michaels, the Vanilla Agent

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« Reply #623 on: November 12, 2016, 12:03:02 pm »

Annie was hot on her trail and she knew it.  Lena kept slipping through her fingers, so she knew she needed some help.  So she called in a favor from Eyal.  She knew that Mossad would have better access in Russia than the CIA ever could.

So Annie called Eyal.

At the end of their conversation, Eyal said, "You look beautiful by the way."

Annie turned around.  Eyal was standing right behind her.  The two embraced.

"So what do you have on Lena?"

"Well I was able to scrounge this up.  Lena may have killed all of the CIA's operatives working in Russia, but Mossad still has some under cover operatives here."

"She's at the Большой Театр?  I didn't even know people could live there?"

"She's in a small apartment in the basement.  Apparently she loves the ballet and has her own private box."

"Wanna go see a ballet?"

Just then, a shot fired.  Eyal stumbled forward.  He was shot.  "Помогите! Помогите!" Annie yelled.

But it was no use.  Eyal was dead.


faust has died in the night!  They were Eyal, the Tracker.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #624 on: November 12, 2016, 12:04:17 pm »

Vote Count 2.0


Not Voting (7): LaLight, JakeTheBaseballGod22, Calamitas, Robz888, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, e


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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #625 on: November 12, 2016, 12:35:24 pm »

Not great. Sorry to miss deadline, guys. I completely forgot. Was an insanely busy IRL week for me.

I wouldn't have objected to the lynch choice, though.

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #626 on: November 12, 2016, 12:57:30 pm »

Dang it
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #627 on: November 12, 2016, 06:42:55 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #628 on: November 12, 2016, 06:48:55 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #629 on: November 12, 2016, 07:08:17 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

See, by default, I would have assumed it started with a role, just because that was listed first. And since the algorithm for picking the list isn't given, we can't know that he doesn't randomize between the two lists (i.e. using a coin-toss) each time or something. (And since there are 7 in each list in this particular setup, that's the same as having a single list and rolling a d14 each time). The different selection algorithms should yield slightly different distributions.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #630 on: November 12, 2016, 07:08:39 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

Correct.  Except I switched 1 and 3 this time.  I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.

I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #631 on: November 12, 2016, 07:16:39 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

Correct.  Except I switched 1 and 3 this time.  I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.

I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.


So assuming you have fewer modifiers than town players, you just spread those n modifiers randomly across n/7 players? And same with roles, independently?
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« Reply #632 on: November 12, 2016, 07:19:00 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

Correct.  Except I switched 1 and 3 this time.  I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.

I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.


So assuming you have fewer modifiers than town players, you just spread those n modifiers randomly across n/7 players? And same with roles, independently?
Exactly
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #633 on: November 12, 2016, 07:51:51 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
3. Pick random role
4. See 2
5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

Correct.  Except I switched 1 and 3 this time.  I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.

I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.


So assuming you have fewer modifiers than town players, you just spread those n modifiers randomly across n/7 players? And same with roles, independently?

Players without modifiers will get them before players with modifiers get a second modifier, same with roles.
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« Reply #634 on: November 12, 2016, 07:55:16 pm »

vote: Robz for the question about PRs. Why not look for yourself?
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« Reply #635 on: November 12, 2016, 08:00:11 pm »

By which I mean it reads as someone who doesn't feel part of town. Also may be fishing a bit.
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« Reply #636 on: November 12, 2016, 08:05:33 pm »

What do you think about a massclaim?
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« Reply #637 on: November 12, 2016, 08:07:41 pm »

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum
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« Reply #638 on: November 12, 2016, 09:11:34 pm »

What do you think about a massclaim?
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« Reply #639 on: November 13, 2016, 06:33:12 am »

What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.
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« Reply #640 on: November 13, 2016, 06:36:35 am »

What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.

How?
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« Reply #641 on: November 13, 2016, 06:41:03 am »

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.
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« Reply #642 on: November 13, 2016, 07:53:43 am »

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter
why me? I'm with you on the partners.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #643 on: November 13, 2016, 07:55:00 am »

What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.

How?

It says in read text at the end of the setup-post that scum knows what roles are in the game, but not what modifiers there are.
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« Reply #644 on: November 13, 2016, 07:59:02 am »

What do you think about a massclaim?
not sure there's much point. We don't really want scum to know what powers town still has, if any. Anyone with a useful result could claim if they think it's a good time to do that
Scum knows them already.

How?

It says in read text at the end of the setup-post that scum knows what roles are in the game, but not what modifiers there are.
No one knows what modifiers there are, they aren't even revealed after flip.
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« Reply #645 on: November 13, 2016, 08:07:45 am »

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
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« Reply #646 on: November 13, 2016, 08:14:25 am »

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #647 on: November 13, 2016, 11:20:00 am »

Sorry, guests in town this weekend, not a ton of time.

Not a fan of the RR lynch, but I feel like after my initial kick off lynching RR in a bunch of games I have turned into an RR apologist.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #648 on: November 13, 2016, 02:07:38 pm »

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #649 on: November 13, 2016, 02:44:36 pm »

vote: Robz for the question about PRs. Why not look for yourself?

Um, I mean, I did, but it's confusing and I don't fully understand how it works, honestly.
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« Reply #650 on: November 13, 2016, 02:46:51 pm »

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.

What makes you think EFHW and I are partners?
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« Reply #651 on: November 13, 2016, 04:06:57 pm »

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
Why?
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« Reply #652 on: November 13, 2016, 04:11:11 pm »

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.

What makes you think EFHW and I are partners?

You don't speak with each other much but don't distance either. Always ready to bus.
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« Reply #653 on: November 13, 2016, 04:14:13 pm »

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
Why?
1. It tells the scum who to kill as well as creates conflict over who is lying and who isn't
2. Vote: Calm
3. I vote you because scum would want a mass claim to know who to kill and who to target
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #654 on: November 13, 2016, 06:08:28 pm »

I forgot about scum knowing the roles. No need to tell them who the roles are attached to, though.

Calamitas, what do you expect to gain from a mass claim?
First and foremost it reduces scums flexibility. Secondly, we might gain valuable insights in regard to the setup.
And the disadvantage of informing scum about our pr holders isn't that bad if you consider that we are one misslynch away from LyLo and the fact that we have an IC.
I think that we shouldn't mass claim
Why?
1. It tells the scum who to kill as well as creates conflict over who is lying and who isn't
2. Vote: Calm
3. I vote you because scum would want a mass claim to know who to kill and who to target
That one is actually pretty desirable
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #655 on: November 13, 2016, 06:20:00 pm »

What do you think about a massclaim?

I don't think massclaim is a good idea, but I think bringing it up here is pretty townish, actually. For a couple reasons. Even though such things often help scum, I find that scum are pretty cautious about initiating them, whereas townies get all excited about spilling the beans. It's an earnest suggestion that I just don't think scum would actually make, in calamitas's situation, because it can look so bad.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #656 on: November 13, 2016, 07:09:23 pm »

What do you think about a massclaim?

I don't think massclaim is a good idea, but I think bringing it up here is pretty townish, actually. For a couple reasons. Even though such things often help scum, I find that scum are pretty cautious about initiating them, whereas townies get all excited about spilling the beans. It's an earnest suggestion that I just don't think scum would actually make, in calamitas's situation, because it can look so bad.

Okay, "such things often help scum" is a very hand-wavy general argument. For this specific game state, given what we know about roles and modifiers, does it hold?

Calamitas, you pointed out earlier that we don't know anything about modifiers even after the flip, which is true, but we do know in this specific case that e's IC-ness comes about from the modifiers list rather than the roles list. I think that pushes the marginal likelihood of the existence of another PR down a little, but I've still not run the numbers at all because of illness and Pandemic Legacy, which together have mostly occupied my day :-P
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« Reply #657 on: November 13, 2016, 07:14:48 pm »

Okay, "such things often help scum" is a very hand-wavy general argument. For this specific game state, given what we know about roles and modifiers, does it hold?


I really don't know. I do not feel like I understand this setup as well as other people.
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« Reply #658 on: November 14, 2016, 12:51:19 am »

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
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« Reply #659 on: November 14, 2016, 12:53:39 am »

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #660 on: November 14, 2016, 12:55:59 am »

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #661 on: November 14, 2016, 01:06:55 am »

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.
Not that sure. We have an IC after all which will be a primary target either way.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #662 on: November 14, 2016, 01:13:41 am »

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all
But it gives us reasonable prior probabilities ("town!x is & scum!y is 3 times as likely as the other way around due to setup probabilties")

I won't find a quote now, but once Silverspawn (i think?) told me you forget about setup probabilities when playing mafia. Twice we got the really unlikely setup, you know.
The only way it would work is if all the claims do not end up BUT we don't know modifiers still. It hurts town.
Not that sure. We have an IC after all which will be a primary target either way.

Nope. Better kill the PR than VT-IC (see faust). If we mislynch today, we're at lylo tomorrow and no one guarantees that E will do the right thing (though he narrows the lynchpool being IC)
All in all I'm against massclaim, though I'm for it D3.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #663 on: November 14, 2016, 09:34:16 am »

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #664 on: November 14, 2016, 09:39:22 am »

Simple PoE shows that I'm kinda right.

I believe now Calamitas is town. E is town. Jake seems town. Me is town.

This leaves SA, Robz, EFHW. SA is a hard opponent if scum. I'll look further.
This leaves EFHW and Robz.
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« Reply #665 on: November 14, 2016, 09:56:56 am »

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.

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« Reply #666 on: November 14, 2016, 09:57:39 am »

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.

Vote: EFHW

hm, bussing now?
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« Reply #667 on: November 14, 2016, 10:11:29 am »

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.

This makes me suspicious. Reading into this, I think scum!EFHW is sensing danger, and realizing she'll need my support to avoid being lynched, and so wants to get off my wagon. I don't understand why else she would change her read on me.

Vote: EFHW
I realized the setup is super complicated and that I am intimidated by your past scum performances, making me distrust everything you say. POE does leave with me with you and Jake as the scum, but I'm going with Jake first.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #668 on: November 14, 2016, 10:12:22 am »

unvote Robz. Chasing ghosts here. I don't know if I buy the "I don't understand as well as most people" thing, but I'll reserve judgment for the moment.

Lalight and Calamitas seem towniest after this exchange.  Space also seems towny.

Jake still not particularly towny.  Who am I forgetting? Oh, our IC, e!

Guess I still want to vote: Jake.
1. What case do you have on me?
2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you
3. That vote and case is nothing Vote: EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #669 on: November 14, 2016, 10:15:33 am »

The case is your tunnelling SA and this:

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum

"Definitely" a veteran scum?

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« Reply #670 on: November 14, 2016, 10:17:42 am »

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2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you

Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.
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« Reply #671 on: November 14, 2016, 10:19:02 am »

The case is your tunnelling SA and this:

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum

"Definitely" a veteran scum?

And a lack of towny contributions.
One go back i have told my reads more than most people in the game
Two it's to hard to figure out who's scum which means their is most likely/definitely a vet scum
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« Reply #672 on: November 14, 2016, 10:19:47 am »

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Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.
Also i'm always defensive ask anyone i have played with
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #673 on: November 14, 2016, 10:20:35 am »

EFHW IS ON L-1.
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« Reply #674 on: November 14, 2016, 10:21:24 am »

EFHW IS ON L-1.
Coool vote him someone
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #675 on: November 14, 2016, 10:21:51 am »

oh, no, I'm not voting for some strange reason. vote: EFHW
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« Reply #676 on: November 14, 2016, 10:22:07 am »

now she is on L-1
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« Reply #677 on: November 14, 2016, 10:22:38 am »

EFHW IS ON L-1.
Coool vote him someone

She is a she. Please, be more attentive. Thank you.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #678 on: November 14, 2016, 10:22:55 am »

EFHW IS ON L-1.
I only see 2 votes for me - Jake and Robz.
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« Reply #679 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:20 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #680 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:41 am »

and sorry EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #681 on: November 14, 2016, 10:23:50 am »

EFHW IS ON L-1.
I only see 2 votes for me - Jake and Robz.

Yeah, sorry I thought I was voting. Am voting now.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #682 on: November 14, 2016, 10:25:15 am »

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?
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« Reply #683 on: November 14, 2016, 10:27:57 am »

Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.
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« Reply #684 on: November 14, 2016, 10:28:54 am »

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
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« Reply #685 on: November 14, 2016, 10:29:13 am »

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?

Except PoE I believe I had the case on you from D1. My overall impression is that you're not quite usefully talkative and your behaviour is not protown (as in other games I was with you and some games I've read from the first to the last page). Of course the good player who is you will never scumslip.

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« Reply #686 on: November 14, 2016, 10:29:37 am »

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
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« Reply #687 on: November 14, 2016, 10:31:03 am »

Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.

About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.
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« Reply #688 on: November 14, 2016, 10:31:30 am »

Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.

About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.

+ both of wagoned people could be town, why bother hammering?
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« Reply #689 on: November 14, 2016, 10:32:13 am »

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?

Except PoE I believe I had the case on you from D1. My overall impression is that you're not quite usefully talkative and your behaviour is not protown (as in other games I was with you and some games I've read from the first to the last page). Of course the good player who is you will never scumslip.

PPE: second point can be fake, you know that.
PPE: don't claim until intention.
So it's POE and an impression?  I'll reread Day 1, too.
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« Reply #690 on: November 14, 2016, 10:33:20 am »

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?

Except PoE I believe I had the case on you from D1. My overall impression is that you're not quite usefully talkative and your behaviour is not protown (as in other games I was with you and some games I've read from the first to the last page). Of course the good player who is you will never scumslip.

PPE: second point can be fake, you know that.
PPE: don't claim until intention.
So it's POE and an impression?  I'll reread Day 1, too.

Do you have something better on anyone?

Does anybody have something better on anyone?
PoE works quite well, actually, doesn't it?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #691 on: November 14, 2016, 10:35:55 am »

EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #692 on: November 14, 2016, 10:38:14 am »

EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim

Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
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« Reply #693 on: November 14, 2016, 10:40:32 am »

EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim

Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
He is not town though
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #694 on: November 14, 2016, 10:41:07 am »

EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim

Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
He is not town though

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #695 on: November 14, 2016, 10:41:39 am »

EFHW the best defense is a claim just claim

Come on, what is it? It's not the best defence it can hurt town!
He is not town though

Jake continues making her mistake.
Dang it sorry EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #696 on: November 14, 2016, 10:42:26 am »

Vote Count 2.1

Jake (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight

Not Voting (3):  Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, e


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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #697 on: November 14, 2016, 10:43:05 am »

Vote Count 2.1

Jake (1): EFHW
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #698 on: November 14, 2016, 10:53:55 am »

Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.

About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.

+ both of wagoned people could be town, why bother hammering?
If I'm scum, I prefer a lynch and there was lots of cover for hammering since no one was making any argument against either lynch.  But I need to reread.  I don't remember everything off the top of my head.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #699 on: November 14, 2016, 10:54:57 am »

PoE works quite well, actually, doesn't it?
Yeah, except when it doesn't!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #700 on: November 14, 2016, 11:01:50 am »

PoE works quite well, actually, doesn't it?
Yeah, except when it doesn't!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #701 on: November 14, 2016, 11:04:32 am »

Two things in my defense. Not conclusive, but please take note of them - faust pointed out that if I were scum I would have hammered one of the wagons Day 1, and I forgot that scum were given the information about what roles are in the game.

About the first one: hammering wagons D1 is not so useful for any scum: you hammer, you point at yourself. It's D1 after all you can be quite sure that town would be lynched.

+ both of wagoned people could be town, why bother hammering?

Yeah, I didn't understand at all why faust thought this made EFHW townier.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #702 on: November 14, 2016, 11:05:38 am »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #703 on: November 14, 2016, 11:14:32 am »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #704 on: November 14, 2016, 11:21:49 am »

Robz is my second big scum tell
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #705 on: November 14, 2016, 11:27:01 am »

Actually, if and only if EFHW flips town I'm calling Robz/Jake team.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #706 on: November 14, 2016, 11:39:36 am »

Oops.. falling a little behind on this one because it's my first day back in the office after being off ill again for part of last week, and I'm not multitasking all that well. I'll sneak home early soon, then I should have some nice forum time to myself this evening.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #707 on: November 14, 2016, 11:48:34 am »

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Here's what you need to know EFHW is scum and you should vote him
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #708 on: November 14, 2016, 12:16:55 pm »

Oops.. falling a little behind on this one because it's my first day back in the office after being off ill again for part of last week, and I'm not multitasking all that well. I'll sneak home early soon, then I should have some nice forum time to myself this evening.
Here's what you need to know EFHW is scum and you should vote him

If I had a better idea of the current vote count, I'd risk voting you on pronouns alone! >:(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #709 on: November 14, 2016, 12:27:06 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #710 on: November 14, 2016, 12:31:28 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
Have you ever seen me not play careless
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #711 on: November 14, 2016, 12:33:07 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?
Have you ever seen me not play careless
I have never seen you play much
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #712 on: November 14, 2016, 12:35:34 pm »

Plus I care about the game a lot that's why I post a lot
And Vote EFHW please
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #713 on: November 14, 2016, 12:36:15 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #714 on: November 14, 2016, 12:41:01 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
To this extent?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #715 on: November 14, 2016, 12:43:12 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
She really!!! Do I have to do this too my pronouns are he/him/his/lord ruler of the earth/The Baseball god and his awesomeness
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #716 on: November 14, 2016, 12:43:25 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
To this extent?
Si oui
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #717 on: November 14, 2016, 12:44:23 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
To this extent?

Yea *sigh*
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #718 on: November 14, 2016, 12:46:51 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
To this extent?

Yea *sigh*
Sigh what the heck man there's no sigh there's just yea
Vote  EFHW people
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #719 on: November 14, 2016, 01:00:20 pm »

So I reread Day 1 and there was no case against me presented there by anyone except Robz.  His case was that there must be a veteran scum and I seemed scummier than faust.  Fine by Day 1 standards, but Jake and Lalight are both proceeding as though there was an established case that they are returning to, and there really isn't.  Jake several times stated I was towny, in fact.

I'm standing by my Jake vote.

Also, RR was town, knows Jake irl, and thought he was scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #720 on: November 14, 2016, 01:02:40 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
While this is a great response to Jake's carelessness with pronouns, I'm finding it confusing to know who you are referring to, and as the only person going by "she" here, I don't want others to think you are talking about me!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #721 on: November 14, 2016, 01:11:02 pm »

1. RR always says I'm scum in every game and two I said Faust was town and more info has come out that has made you scum and claim
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #722 on: November 14, 2016, 01:11:30 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
While this is a great response to Jake's carelessness with pronouns, I'm finding it confusing to know who you are referring to, and as the only person going by "she" here, I don't want others to think you are talking about me!

Sorry, won't happen again :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #723 on: November 14, 2016, 01:19:11 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.

I've given multiple reasons for finding Jake scummy

The case is your tunnelling SA and this:

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum

"Definitely" a veteran scum?

And a lack of towny contributions.
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2. Your trying to point the scum finger at me instead of you

Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.

Now I'll add tunneling me, and making it sound like there were previous cases when there were not.

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #724 on: November 14, 2016, 01:21:55 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.

I've given multiple reasons for finding Jake scummy

The case is your tunnelling SA and this:

I think that EFHW or robz is scum because theirs definitely a vetran scum

"Definitely" a veteran scum?

And a lack of towny contributions.
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Also defensiveness - I voted you before there were any votes on me, and OMGUS.

Now I'll add tunneling me, and making it sound like there were previous cases when there were not.

right, ok, but I'm not scum.  Is your case based on anything other than POE?
1. Plenty of people have put good cases on you look back
2. Claim
3. Why aren't you scum
Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #725 on: November 14, 2016, 01:24:01 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town".  It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #726 on: November 14, 2016, 01:26:15 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #727 on: November 14, 2016, 01:26:24 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town".  It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.
#someone vote this girl
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #728 on: November 14, 2016, 01:27:23 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
You voted me after one and two those reasons are false and three CLAIM
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #729 on: November 14, 2016, 01:30:55 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #730 on: November 14, 2016, 01:32:34 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #731 on: November 14, 2016, 01:34:01 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
Vote her dead calm you got this you can do it
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #732 on: November 14, 2016, 01:35:43 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
The "case" on me, and the case on Jake and who you think is scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #733 on: November 14, 2016, 01:36:56 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
The "case" on me, and the case on Jake and who you think is scum.
You mean your case that good and your case on me that's crap
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #734 on: November 14, 2016, 01:45:32 pm »

Boi your tunneling me plus prove your not scum claim and stop deflecting the conversation off you and onto me
1. It's not tunneling when it's accompanied by reasons and
2. I'm not the one deflecting because I voted you first. sheesh!

I'd like to hear from Calamitas and Space on this.
and e!
On what specifically?
The "case" on me, and the case on Jake and who you think is scum.
I think Jake is just acting careless, pretty neutral since he has been seen behaving as scum similarly. In that regard, pretty much the whole case falls apart. If someone plays careless the way he does, ridiculous cases (SA, the one on you) and flip-floppiness is just going to happen and not actually alignment indicative. So overall a big 0 on Jake.

The case on you by Jake is obviously ridiculous (it is basically "You are driving suspicion away from you, so you are scum"). Though I don' like your read change on Robz as he pointed out. So slight scum points for you, though not nearly enough to get you to claim that early in the day (except we are doing a massclaim which would be actually great).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #735 on: November 14, 2016, 01:50:10 pm »

That's not my case it's part but my case builds off of LL's and robz
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #736 on: November 14, 2016, 02:49:44 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town".  It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.

It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #737 on: November 14, 2016, 02:59:22 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town".  It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.

It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
Why specifically do you think he is obvious town?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #738 on: November 14, 2016, 04:03:07 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town".  It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.

It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
Why specifically do you think he is obvious town?

This level of troll-like behavior isn't calculated, it's sincere, and just too reckless for scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #739 on: November 14, 2016, 04:04:54 pm »

Also, voting for Jake is, IMO, scummy. Jake is town, I think, pretty obviously. And yet he's grating so he is in many ways a good person to try to get lynched if you want to get yourself out of the spotlight. That's what EFHW just did.

Really think she's scum.
And what is more, it is not scummy for me to vote for someone you say is "obviously town".  It's not obvious to me and since your towniness is also not obvious, your disagreeing with me cannot be equivalent to me being scummy.

It's scummy for you to not recognize how obviously town Jake is!
Why specifically do you think he is obvious town?

This level of troll-like behavior isn't calculated, it's sincere, and just too reckless for scum.
I have heard that he has trolled as scum before as well. I think it's just his character and not alignment that is leading to this.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #740 on: November 14, 2016, 04:25:48 pm »

This level of troll-like behavior isn't calculated, it's sincere, and just too reckless for scum.
I have heard that he has trolled as scum before as well. I think it's just his character and not alignment that is leading to this.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with this to a certain extent, though I think if he found that being trolly scum got him townread elsewhere, he might be trying the same thing again, so I have a very slight scumrread on him, I guess.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #741 on: November 14, 2016, 04:27:44 pm »

I'm always like this and I'm not trolly
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #742 on: November 14, 2016, 04:40:53 pm »

There was some other stuff that I thought made Jake seem townie, I would have to go back and re-read to dig it up, which I might do at some pt when I have more time.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #743 on: November 14, 2016, 05:09:54 pm »

Do you really think it is that unlikely that Jake has been advised to play careless?

She always play like this
While this is a great response to Jake's carelessness with pronouns, I'm finding it confusing to know who you are referring to, and as the only person going by "she" here, I don't want others to think you are talking about me!

I propose "it" as a suitable pronoun to use for Jake if he needs reminding about pronouns again :-) It also has the advantage of circumventing the problem of insulting a guy by calling him a girl/feminine, which is not an ideal example, from a feminist perspective.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #744 on: November 14, 2016, 05:23:37 pm »

so, I am against massclaim for two reasons:

1) If we have town prs, we have like maximum two of them and need to keep them safe.
2) This creates a whole universe of WIFOM. Scum can claim everything counting Random Bodyguards and stuff. It won't help us at all

I'm all for scum making that sort of claim, actually!
I think people are neglecting Calamitas's point about how close we are to Lylo.

For three of us, each other player (besides e) has a 40% prior chance of being scum, which is really high. From my point of view (and two others of you too!), it's almost worth reading for each of the 20 possible scum-pairs looking for partner tells. I did something like that in BSG and nailed the team (which included Calamitas), but then got mislynched anyway. The worry is that if we have a super-team of Robz and EFHW, they're probably practised enough at it not to be so detectable. I'd have more confidence in getting Calamitas, LL or Jake, though.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #745 on: November 14, 2016, 07:40:56 pm »

For three of us, each other player (besides e) has a 40% prior chance of being scum, which is really high. From my point of view (and two others of you too!), it's almost worth reading for each of the 20 possible scum-pairs looking for partner tells. I did something like that in BSG and nailed the team (which included Calamitas), but then got mislynched anyway. The worry is that if we have a super-team of Robz and EFHW, they're probably practised enough at it not to be so detectable. I'd have more confidence in getting Calamitas, LL or Jake, though.

This can be useful but is a huge undertaking that I know I don't have time for. It's easier if--and hopefully when--we actually catch a scum. Then you go back and eliminate potential partners based on interactions. Scum partners forget to interact with each other sometimes, that's the big give away. They also strongly vote for their partners when there's no pressure to do so, weakly vote their partners when pressure appears, and try to pivot away from their partners when partners are in danger, but not in an obvious way. It's like, "Oh, I would totally vote for X, X is so scummy, but what about Y? Of course, we could always do X! But Y."
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #746 on: November 14, 2016, 08:19:16 pm »

Guys your been distracted by the scum EFHW debating over a mass claim instead of lynching him
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #747 on: November 14, 2016, 09:21:29 pm »

Shouldn't it be 4 of us, SA, not 3? 40% is really high. Improving our odds further by reads, one would think we could catch scum today.

I see a Jake lynch isn't going to fly today. Which leaves me fresh out of ideas. Is there any interest in lynching Robz?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #748 on: November 14, 2016, 09:28:19 pm »

I do just want to point out that if it's a Robz/Jake scumteam, Robz's defense of Jake would be a deception, even though it is nice and persuasive. I think Jake likes trolling enough that he could pull this off as scum, and enjoy it, too. So I don't think it is towny.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #749 on: November 14, 2016, 10:46:27 pm »

I do just want to point out that if it's a Robz/Jake scumteam, Robz's defense of Jake would be a deception, even though it is nice and persuasive. I think Jake likes trolling enough that he could pull this off as scum, and enjoy it, too. So I don't think it is towny.
I do and I have a fresh idea, how about we lynch you
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #750 on: November 15, 2016, 12:46:01 am »

well.

Some tume ago I promised myself not to post things in the mornings especially if they are important for the game enough, but now I'll do that still.
Neither Calamitas nor SA intented to hammer. Either one of them is EFHW's scum partner (if she's scum) or they're both town (if she's town). E didn't show up. And if i think on this as alignment-indicative, then I should give some town credit to EFHW. So Unvote

Jake is impossibly hard to read because me myself is asking the same question each time I want to vote: is it because of scumminess or his trolling? Sometimes the line is thin.
Is there a chance of the case where Jake and EFHW just hard-bus each other? hmm. I don't think so.

But Jake's hard tunneling of people is something unusual for him actually.
Calling Robz/Jake scum team. And I still keep an eye on EFHW. That's exactly how she always wins MVP as scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #751 on: November 15, 2016, 06:32:09 am »

I think the problem with jake is that his play style doesn't allow really judging him. His carelessness and tunneling style is absolutely anti-town but not alignment-indicative. So I would go with Jake over other null reads (due to him being not quite an asset) but not over actual scum-reads.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #752 on: November 15, 2016, 07:37:27 am »

There was some other stuff that I thought made Jake seem townie, I would have to go back and re-read to dig it up, which I might do at some pt when I have more time.

I think this would be quite worthwhile now. Do you have any actual case for him being townie?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #753 on: November 15, 2016, 07:44:29 am »

Shouldn't it be 4 of us, SA, not 3? 40% is really high. Improving our odds further by reads, one would think we could catch scum today.

You're quite right, I forgot to count myself back in when looking at the 5 of you in my potential lynch pool :-P

I see a Jake lynch isn't going to fly today. Which leaves me fresh out of ideas. Is there any interest in lynching Robz?

It may yet fly... As Calamitas says, Jake's behaviour is anti-town, and that's almost enough to make me want to take him out of the game. The worry is just that he's being anti-town because he's a kid and not because he's scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #754 on: November 15, 2016, 07:50:13 am »

Oh, hey, and it's only 10 possible scumteams for each of us to worry about, not 20. Scumpoints for everyone for not correcting my terribly maths from yesterday :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #755 on: November 15, 2016, 08:10:50 am »

Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW

Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
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Robz-EFHW
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Jake-Calamitas
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Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #756 on: November 15, 2016, 08:27:06 am »

How have I been anti town? The only one who said that is EFHW who btw is the scum what happend to debating over him
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #757 on: November 15, 2016, 08:34:38 am »

Ffs can he do it on purpose?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #758 on: November 15, 2016, 10:39:02 am »

sorry to do this but Prod: E
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #759 on: November 15, 2016, 10:46:02 am »

sorry to do this but Prod: E

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #760 on: November 15, 2016, 10:49:13 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #761 on: November 15, 2016, 10:59:19 am »

Vote Count 2.2

Jake (2): EFHW, LaLight
EFHW (2): Robz, Jake

Not Voting (3):  Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, e


With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #762 on: November 15, 2016, 12:09:29 pm »

Sorry guys. Dropping the ball here. This wasn't a great weekend availability wise and this week isn't really looking better
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #763 on: November 15, 2016, 05:52:59 pm »

Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW

Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
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Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
Why specifically did you came to those results?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #764 on: November 15, 2016, 06:12:22 pm »

Sorry guys. Dropping the ball here. This wasn't a great weekend availability wise and this week isn't really looking better
Someone needs to talk to e's work about (innocent) child labor laws.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #765 on: November 15, 2016, 08:12:29 pm »

Re-reading things is slow, and doesn't give a full picture because voting patterns and contexts matter too. So here's a complete history of all the voting in D1, to save the rest of you the trouble. Pair-wise reads to follow when I have the time, probably.

I do see EFHW's point about the possibility of a Robz-Jake scumteam. I kind of regret not hammering Jake one of the times I had the opportunity, but I'm quite worried that he may actually just be really annoying, and not actually scum. Clearly, the correct meta-game play is to vote for him in order to discourage that sort of behaviour, but I've been hesitant up till now at least.

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Complete D1 Voting History
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#65
Not Voting: LL, RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#66
Calamitas: LL
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#69
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#71
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust
Not Voting: RR, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#82
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e

#87
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e

#98
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e

#109
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: RR, e

#116
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL
faust:

#125
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: e

#130
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e

#158
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: Jake
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e

#185
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e

#205
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e

#221
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e

#230
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Not Voting: e

#243
EFHW: Space
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
Not Voting: e

#247
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
LL: Space
Not Voting: e

#254
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e

#263
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e

#264
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
Not Voting: e

#301
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e

#363
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e

#374
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
EFHW: LL
Not Voting: e

#419
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space
EFHW: LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e

#433
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e

#439
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust
Not Voting: e

#444
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Not Voting: e

#448
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Space: Robz
Not Voting: e

#454
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust
Not Voting: e

#455
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#457
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, RR
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#477
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, e
Space: Robz, faust, Jake

#484
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake, e {L-1}

#501
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust

#504
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space

#508
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space, LL

#518
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, e
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}

#520
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}

#558
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust, Space, LL

#586
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}

#595
Jake: EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas {Lynched}
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #766 on: November 15, 2016, 08:19:35 pm »

Re-reading things is slow, and doesn't give a full picture because voting patterns and contexts matter too. So here's a complete history of all the voting in D1, to save the rest of you the trouble. Pair-wise reads to follow when I have the time, probably.

I do see EFHW's point about the possibility of a Robz-Jake scumteam. I kind of regret not hammering Jake one of the times I had the opportunity, but I'm quite worried that he may actually just be really annoying, and not actually scum. Clearly, the correct meta-game play is to vote for him in order to discourage that sort of behaviour, but I've been hesitant up till now at least.

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#65
Not Voting: LL, RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#66
Calamitas: LL
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#69
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Not Voting: RR, faust, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#71
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust
Not Voting: RR, Jake, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#82
Calamitas: LL
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e

#87
LL: Calamitas
Robz: faust, Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e

#98
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
Not Voting: RR, EFHW, e

#109
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust
Space: LL
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: RR, e

#116
LL: Calamitas
Robz: Jake
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL
faust:

#125
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, faust, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Not Voting: e

#130
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: LL, Jake
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e

#158
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
Space: Jake
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e

#185
LL: Calamitas
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Not Voting: e

#205
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas
faust: EFHW, LL
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e

#221
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Calamitas: faust
Space: Jake
Not Voting: e

#230
EFHW: Space
Jake: Robz, RR, Calamitas, LL {L-1}
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Not Voting: e

#243
EFHW: Space
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
Not Voting: e

#247
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz
LL: Space
Not Voting: e

#254
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL
faust: EFHW
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e

#263
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake, faust
Calamitas: Robz, Space
Not Voting: e

#264
Jake: RR, Calamitas, LL, EFHW {L-1}
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
Not Voting: e

#301
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e

#363
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: e

#374
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, faust
EFHW: LL
Not Voting: e

#419
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space
EFHW: LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e

#433
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Jake
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL
RR: faust
Not Voting: e

#439
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust
Not Voting: e

#444
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: Robz, LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Not Voting: e

#448
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
RR: faust
faust: Space
Space: Robz
Not Voting: e

#454
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL, Jake
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust
Not Voting: e

#455
Jake: RR, Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#457
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, RR
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#466
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake
Not Voting: e

#477
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space, e
Space: Robz, faust, Jake

#484
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, faust, Jake, e {L-1}

#501
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
faust: Space
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust

#504
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Calamitas: LL
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space

#508
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, Jake, e
RR: faust, Space, LL

#518
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW, RR
Space: Robz, e
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}

#520
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}

#558
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR, Jake {L-1}
RR: faust, Space, LL

#586
Jake: Calamitas, EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake {L-1}

#595
Jake: EFHW
Space: Robz, e, RR
RR: faust, Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas {Lynched}
Lynching Jake is something we can do later just as well, there is no need to rush and deny us valuable info we might get until then.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #767 on: November 15, 2016, 10:54:24 pm »

So.  The RR lynch.  Not a huge fan, obviously.  But consider this: do you think there were two scum on that wagon?  Or just one?

On wagon: Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas
Off wagon: Robz, EFHW, e

I am still interested in Space a bit as well as calamitas.

Jake feels like happy-go-lucky lets lynch everyone town for end of D1

I think LaLight is playing a good game and it feels very dangerous.

I don't think both Robz and EFHW are scum (based on both being off wagon end of D1)  I think they could potentially both be town.

I am actually getting a sneaky suspicion that LaLight is scum.

Anyway, sleep now.  I have had 1.5 hours of sleep since yesterday morning, so I am a little tired.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #768 on: November 16, 2016, 12:38:54 am »

Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW

Robz-Jake
Robz-Space
Robz-Calamitas
Robz-EFHW
Jake-Space
Jake-Calamitas
Jake-EFHW
Space-Calamitas
Space-EFHW
Calamitas-EFHW
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You can see the answer :)
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If the pair has strong townread, it's green.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #769 on: November 16, 2016, 12:41:36 am »

So.  The RR lynch.  Not a huge fan, obviously.  But consider this: do you think there were two scum on that wagon?  Or just one?

On wagon: Space, LL, Jake, Calamitas
Off wagon: Robz, EFHW, e

I am still interested in Space a bit as well as calamitas.

Jake feels like happy-go-lucky lets lynch everyone town for end of D1

I think LaLight is playing a good game and it feels very dangerous.

I don't think both Robz and EFHW are scum (based on both being off wagon end of D1)  I think they could potentially both be town.

I am actually getting a sneaky suspicion that LaLight is scum.

Anyway, sleep now.  I have had 1.5 hours of sleep since yesterday morning, so I am a little tired.

Hmmm this makes a point. I won't believe in EFHW/Robz team. It's SA, Robz, EFHW and Jake I see scummy. One on the wagon, one off.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #770 on: November 16, 2016, 12:42:55 am »

I am actually getting a sneaky suspicion that LaLight is scum.

Don't waste your time on me, I'm town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #771 on: November 16, 2016, 05:53:29 am »

Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW

Robz-Jake
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Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #772 on: November 16, 2016, 05:54:49 am »

Lalight-Robz
Lalight-Jake
Lalight-Space
Lalight-Calamitas
Lalight-EFHW

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You can see the answer :)
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If the pair has strong townread, it's green.
If the pair has SA, it's pink (slight scumread)

Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!

Actually my initial point was to visualise those pairs and look at them. I've made it for me :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #773 on: November 16, 2016, 06:05:31 am »

Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!

Actually my initial point was to visualise those pairs and look at them. I've made it for me :)

Funny how you needed to remind yourself that possible pairings with you in them were townie-coloured ;-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #774 on: November 16, 2016, 06:07:31 am »

Yeah, that's what it looks like, but that's not actually the point of reading for pairs :-P The point is that it gives you extra information in addition to the independent reads on players, if you look at how they're interacting with each other just based on those interactions. But it mean reading for each pair individually, which is really time-consuming... I've started it, but there's nothing clear or final yet!

Actually my initial point was to visualise those pairs and look at them. I've made it for me :)

Funny how you needed to remind yourself that possible pairings with you in them were townie-coloured ;-)

I feel a faint smell of provocation there.. :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #775 on: November 16, 2016, 11:05:54 am »

Ok I have a new hot take. I'm calling a LL/EFHW scum team due to the these facts

1. EFHW. She has been perceived as for a while now and in my opinion the best D-2 lynch. If you want a more in depth case just look back. Also her interactions with LL have been weird (look in LL section for that)

2. LaLight. Well for one LL has been playing really well btw. In fact LL has almost been playing two well kind of like a godfather scum. Another reason is LL interactions with EFHW. At first LL hammered EFHW with reasons to lynch her but as soon as the wagon on EFHW started to get real she completely backed off changing the conversation away from EFHW.

Those are my highest scum reads but would still prefer a EFHW lynch over a LL because i'm more confident in that lynch
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #776 on: November 16, 2016, 11:10:42 am »

Hm, firstly, I didn't hammer EFHW. Secondly I explained my case on her some times.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #777 on: November 16, 2016, 11:12:14 am »

My guess is EFHW/Calamitas or EFHW/Robz with a slight preference to the latter.
EFHW both times
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #778 on: November 16, 2016, 11:12:34 am »

Jake's case is not amazing, but it is the type of case I expect more from town than scum
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #779 on: November 16, 2016, 11:13:04 am »

Simple PoE shows that I'm kinda right.

I believe now Calamitas is town. E is town. Jake seems town. Me is town.

This leaves SA, Robz, EFHW. SA is a hard opponent if scum. I'll look further.
This leaves EFHW and Robz.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #780 on: November 16, 2016, 11:14:20 am »

Actually, if and only if EFHW flips town I'm calling Robz/Jake team.
And then after this post you never mention EFHW again (this was around the time EFHW's wagon got serious)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #781 on: November 16, 2016, 11:15:41 am »

unvote
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #782 on: November 16, 2016, 11:21:53 am »

New phone, inconvenient af

I believe Jake now. That was adequate case. That leaves me with 2,5 scum reads (0,5 being SA :-P)

Feeling well to return to vote: efhw

Fyi, Jake, I didn't stop seeing her as scum. You just seemed a better idea at that moment. I've made colored grid where you can see efhw being my scumread. So, this is it. I hope there's not a lot of tupos, new phone doesn't show me my post
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #783 on: November 16, 2016, 11:22:38 am »

Lol the pnly typo is in the word typo
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #784 on: November 16, 2016, 12:22:17 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Going all day without voting until the end is no fun
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #785 on: November 16, 2016, 12:29:52 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #786 on: November 16, 2016, 12:30:20 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Going all day without voting until the end is no fun

Why?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #787 on: November 16, 2016, 12:30:56 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.

He made a good adequate case he'd never do being scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #788 on: November 16, 2016, 12:31:22 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #789 on: November 16, 2016, 12:35:13 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.

He made a good adequate case he'd never do being scum.
Against you maybe, not against me. And assuming for the moment that he did make some kind of adequate case, why wouldn't he make a good case as scum?  That's what most scum try to do when given enough scummy material to work with.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #790 on: November 16, 2016, 12:35:54 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
I'm voting him because his capitulating to your pressure is scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #791 on: November 16, 2016, 12:39:47 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
I'm voting him because his capitulating to your pressure is scummy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #792 on: November 16, 2016, 12:42:33 pm »

vote: Lalight. Why believe Jake now?  They didn't say anything new.
If you don't believe me why are you voting LL
I'm voting him because his capitulating to your pressure is scummy.
So the logical town choice is to vote me if what you've said is what you believe but instead you vote LL.  Possible major scumtell folks take a hard look at EFHW when voting
No, that's not actually logical.  I don't know for a fact that you are scum.  You have just been the scummiest.  I am open to other possibilities, including contradictory ones.  If a wagon on you becomes viable, I will be back.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #793 on: November 16, 2016, 04:49:50 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Going all day without voting until the end is no fun

Why?

Because it is fun to vote. And you are scummier than others
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #794 on: November 16, 2016, 04:52:23 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Going all day without voting until the end is no fun

Why?

Because it is fun to vote. And you are scummier than others

How am i scummier?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #795 on: November 16, 2016, 04:54:33 pm »

I find your voting history scummy

I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy

I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #796 on: November 16, 2016, 04:57:48 pm »

I would be fine with lynching LaLight
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #797 on: November 16, 2016, 05:21:12 pm »

I find your voting history scummy

I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy

I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy

But maybe that is just me
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #798 on: November 16, 2016, 05:21:27 pm »

I find your voting history scummy

I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy

I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy

But maybe that is just me

In my read-through, I've noted that LL has put Jake, Calamitas and EFHW at L-1 at various points in the game. And at no point was I on the Jake or EFHW wagons, meaning I could have hammered at any time. (Several others also could have, but I know I'm town, so that part matters here). So that made me kind of less suspicious of him being scum with either or them, or with Calamitas really, since there were loads of other towns there, like you or RR. Would scums bus their partner as much as that and risk losing them when there wasn't really all that much suspicion?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #799 on: November 16, 2016, 05:34:30 pm »

What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #800 on: November 16, 2016, 05:44:24 pm »

What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.

They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #801 on: November 16, 2016, 05:49:24 pm »

What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.

They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
But Jake doesn't talk about LaLight there, just with him.
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« Reply #802 on: November 16, 2016, 05:54:14 pm »

I was waiting to see how the situation between EFHW and LL would play out and then posted my reads after they finshed
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #803 on: November 16, 2016, 07:09:10 pm »

What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.

They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
But Jake doesn't talk about LaLight there, just with him.

Yes, I agree with you there, but I also think that how two players interact with one another is somewhat indicative, since it was the level of agreement and non-hostility between you and Mail-mi through the whole of BSG that was the main tip-off for me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #804 on: November 16, 2016, 07:24:49 pm »

What I found weird about Jake and LaLight is the fact that Jake hasn't talked about LaLight at all until he expressed a scumread on him.

They do interact early on (see around #126) but it's not antagonistic. I feel like my re-read isn't as successful as I wanted it to be, which makes me suspect that one of Robz and EFHW is in the scum-team, since I think they're massively more experienced than the rest of us non-ICs, and can probably engineer better interactions with a partner.
But Jake doesn't talk about LaLight there, just with him.

Yes, I agree with you there, but I also think that how two players interact with one another is somewhat indicative, since it was the level of agreement and non-hostility between you and Mail-mi through the whole of BSG that was the main tip-off for me.
Sure, I wasn't referring to a LaLight/Jake team though but was rather irritated about his sudden scumread.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #805 on: November 17, 2016, 08:00:35 am »

I find your voting history scummy

I find your recent jake/efhw switcharound scummy

I find your grid of calling scum teams scummy

But maybe that is just me

In my read-through, I've noted that LL has put Jake, Calamitas and EFHW at L-1 at various points in the game. And at no point was I on the Jake or EFHW wagons, meaning I could have hammered at any time. (Several others also could have, but I know I'm town, so that part matters here). So that made me kind of less suspicious of him being scum with either or them, or with Calamitas really, since there were loads of other towns there, like you or RR. Would scums bus their partner as much as that and risk losing them when there wasn't really all that much suspicion?
This is an interesting point, but doesn't rule out enough possible partners to clear him.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #806 on: November 17, 2016, 08:09:49 am »

I kinda understand the case on me but really? We have so much possible strong scumreads and you blame me. Don't do this, I sencerely played this game towniest than ever (no, not because I'm scum). Lynching me is a mistake. Not the hard one, but still. Next day is LyLo and we should lynch the scummiest person here. It's just Jake and EFHW are switching in my eyes. One is scummier than the other.

Also, Robz is kinda lurking (I know he's VLA now, but it's not the first day he does that). But still! We need to lych the scummiest one, not the suspicious one.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #807 on: November 17, 2016, 08:14:02 am »

I would still do a Robz lynch.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #808 on: November 17, 2016, 08:18:07 am »

I would still do a Robz lynch.

I would vote him to hear something but he's VLA and it doesn't make much sense. When he'll be here I'd vote. How much time do we have?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #809 on: November 17, 2016, 08:19:04 am »

Checked. 52 hours left.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #810 on: November 17, 2016, 08:22:26 am »

Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.

I do hope we have some PR.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #811 on: November 17, 2016, 08:26:19 am »

This neverending EFHW wagon also shows she's more likely scum...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #812 on: November 17, 2016, 08:29:56 am »

Let's do this:

1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
2) Calamitas, whose interactions seem the most scummy to you? Why?
3) Jake, who do you think may be scum apart from me and EFHW? Why?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #813 on: November 17, 2016, 08:31:28 am »

Let's do this:

1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
2) Calamitas, whose interactions seem the most scummy to you? Why?
3) Jake, who do you think may be scum apart from me and EFHW? Why?
4) Robz, what do you think about EFHW play? What about Jake?
5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
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If you don't answer, explain please, why (apart from "LaLight youre clearly scum everyone vote him")
If you have any questions for me, ask them, I'll be willing to answer any.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #814 on: November 17, 2016, 08:37:18 am »

Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.

I do hope we have some PR.

I think having a PR left is unlikely, and even if we do have one, the results are really unreliable, because the only way they can exist is to have modifiers 1 or 2 also present. At best, faust could have been a random or weak tracker, but it's far more likely that if one of those modifiers occurred, we'd get the VT alternative, meaning at least 2 town players would have framed/macho/miller modifications.

I think we have to trust our reads and cases, which is why I'm agonising so much over trying to call pairings using re-reads.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #815 on: November 17, 2016, 08:38:21 am »

Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.

I do hope we have some PR.

I think having a PR left is unlikely, and even if we do have one, the results are really unreliable, because the only way they can exist is to have modifiers 1 or 2 also present. At best, faust could have been a random or weak tracker, but it's far more likely that if one of those modifiers occurred, we'd get the VT alternative, meaning at least 2 town players would have framed/macho/miller modifications.

I think we have to trust our reads and cases, which is why I'm agonising so much over trying to call pairings using re-reads.

Will you be able to finish these till the deadline?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #816 on: November 17, 2016, 08:41:37 am »

1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?

Clearly I have not, from my detailed voting analysis I posted the other night :-)

Main reason is "analysis paralysis" -- there's too much nuanced data to take in, and I feel we ought to be able to optimise our chances of lynching scum, but I can't quite work out how.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #817 on: November 17, 2016, 08:47:06 am »

I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #818 on: November 17, 2016, 08:48:26 am »

Also, I do really hope we have some PR left. We all here are good players (yeah, I know, not very shy) and D2 shows that we can do it forever. I call everyone to participate more actively till the end of D2. We can win this with our intelligence, people.

I do hope we have some PR.

I think having a PR left is unlikely, and even if we do have one, the results are really unreliable, because the only way they can exist is to have modifiers 1 or 2 also present. At best, faust could have been a random or weak tracker, but it's far more likely that if one of those modifiers occurred, we'd get the VT alternative, meaning at least 2 town players would have framed/macho/miller modifications.

I think we have to trust our reads and cases, which is why I'm agonising so much over trying to call pairings using re-reads.

Will you be able to finish these till the deadline?

Yeah, I'll need to finish and vote by the end of tonight, I think. I'm hosting a guest for the weekend, and they're turning up pretty much as I leave work tomorrow, so my free time available for forum reading/obsessing will plummet, and I may not be able to be online for the deadline :-(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #819 on: November 17, 2016, 08:53:21 am »

I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.

Provocative? I don't think I've been called that before :-P I'm town -- you're just really paranoid, which might make me feel more towny on you, except that I'm still paranoid about how much you've been pushing me this game right from the start :-(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #820 on: November 17, 2016, 08:55:33 am »

I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.

Provocative? I don't think I've been called that before :-P I'm town -- you're just really paranoid, which might make me feel more towny on you, except that I'm still paranoid about how much you've been pushing me this game right from the start :-(

Looks like that thing: you see me scummy every game, I see you scummy every game too. We are inclined to scumread people we know irl :-P
Sorry for pushing. Tht's the strategy I chose to see how this will work out. (Witherweaver is my Mafia idol)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #821 on: November 17, 2016, 09:06:02 am »

You guys know each other irl??
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #822 on: November 17, 2016, 09:07:09 am »

You guys know each other irl??

Not really, though we have some Skype calls often and a big history of e-mails.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #823 on: November 17, 2016, 09:18:57 am »

LaLight's most recent outbreak of posts feels much townier to me. I feel like they are sincerely trying to move the game along in the right direction.

I could definitely go back to SpaceAnemone. Their lynch was very close a few times yesterday, but never quite enough votes for a lynch. Very possible partner not wanting to bus D1.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #824 on: November 17, 2016, 09:33:41 am »

This neverending EFHW wagon also shows she's more likely scum...
I don't see how you get to this conclusion.  It's Robz, who you say is V/LA, Jake who is tunneling me, and you. If you mean that no one has hammered me yet, maybe our town players just have good sense.  Or scum do, since an early hammer would be very suspicious.

I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
I was also surprised to see this sudden scumread on Space, who has been active and whom you called provocative just a few posts before.

In contrast, your list of questions to town is townier. I don't feel like answering the questions to me, though, since I feel like I have addressed all those things in my posts.

My townread on Calamitas is fading from lack of reinforcement, so more posting from him would be great.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #825 on: November 17, 2016, 09:37:15 am »

This neverending EFHW wagon also shows she's more likely scum...
I don't see how you get to this conclusion.  It's Robz, who you say is V/LA, Jake who is tunneling me, and you. If you mean that no one has hammered me yet, maybe our town players just have good sense.  Or scum do, since an early hammer would be very suspicious.

Yeah, but this leaves people who at least could intent to have something from you, but they didn't do anything.

I'm leaning scum on Space now. They're more active and provocative when town.
I was also surprised to see this sudden scumread on Space, who has been active and whom you called provocative just a few posts before.

In contrast, your list of questions to town is townier. I don't feel like answering the questions to me, though, since I feel like I have addressed all those things in my posts.

My townread on Calamitas is fading from lack of reinforcement, so more posting from him would be great.
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They was provocative just this time. And I felt like it's something new though Space likes being provocative in Mafia games :-P

So you can just answer here so we could summarize your answers?

Agreed.
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« Reply #826 on: November 17, 2016, 09:44:43 am »

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5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?

Ok, Jake is the most scummy.  Robz is the most suspicious. Space is towniest.  My read on Robz is complicated by his unavailability and by the history of games in which he has totally fooled me as scum. I am probably unable to trust him.  But he has been pretty self-contained, so that leads me to lean scum on him. His case on me felt fabricated.

Your play was super-towny until recently when you have seemed to be casting about for lynches.  Your switch from Jake back to me was disappointing, of course. Indecision can be a towny trait, though, so unvote.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #827 on: November 17, 2016, 10:05:22 am »

You guys know each other irl??

Yeah, we got to know each other through f.ds PMs, though haven't actually met IRL yet! Hopefully soon!!

(I first joined the forum because I do know Haddock IRL, though, and we see each other once or twice a week...)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #828 on: November 17, 2016, 10:17:06 am »

Wait how am i most scummy. Your the one who is scum would be fine with LL lynch but much prefer a EFHW lynch and I have no clue how you guys/girls/they's can't see that but if you people wanna lynch LL i'm fine with that
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #829 on: November 17, 2016, 10:18:29 am »

Wait how am i most scummy. Your the one who is scum would be fine with LL lynch but much prefer a EFHW lynch and I have no clue how you guys/girls/they's can't see that but if you people wanna lynch LL i'm fine with that

Will you answer my questions?
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« Reply #830 on: November 17, 2016, 10:22:02 am »

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Ok, Jake is the most scummy.  Robz is the most suspicious. Space is towniest.  My read on Robz is complicated by his unavailability and by the history of games in which he has totally fooled me as scum. I am probably unable to trust him.  But he has been pretty self-contained, so that leads me to lean scum on him. His case on me felt fabricated.

Your play was super-towny until recently when you have seemed to be casting about for lynches.  Your switch from Jake back to me was disappointing, of course. Indecision can be a towny trait, though, so unvote.
And also your mega flippy on LL almost as much as he is on you so people can we please kill one of the scum team of EFHW or LL
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« Reply #831 on: November 17, 2016, 10:23:26 am »

I think its just you and EFHW LL so the answer is no I don't think there's any other scum beside's you
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« Reply #832 on: November 17, 2016, 11:18:42 am »

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Ok, Jake is the most scummy.  Robz is the most suspicious. Space is towniest.  My read on Robz is complicated by his unavailability and by the history of games in which he has totally fooled me as scum. I am probably unable to trust him.  But he has been pretty self-contained, so that leads me to lean scum on him. His case on me felt fabricated.

Your play was super-towny until recently when you have seemed to be casting about for lynches.  Your switch from Jake back to me was disappointing, of course. Indecision can be a towny trait, though, so unvote.
And also your mega flippy on LL almost as much as he is on you so people can we please kill one of the scum team of EFHW or LL
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« Reply #833 on: November 17, 2016, 11:38:50 am »

I will bite

Vote: Jake
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« Reply #834 on: November 17, 2016, 11:57:05 am »

Ok your part of  your case on LL was that he was switching a lot and I was just pointing out that you were as well but somehow I get a vote for just pointing that out why
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #835 on: November 17, 2016, 02:10:23 pm »

Vote Count 2.3

Jake (1): e
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}

Not Voting (3):  Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, EFHW


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« Reply #836 on: November 17, 2016, 03:38:43 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
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« Reply #837 on: November 17, 2016, 04:14:10 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
I still think he may be scum but on D-2 EFHW has a better/stronger case against him so I voted him we can lynch SA or LL later but I'm more sure in the EFHW lynch with the info provided on D-2. Also SA has looked much more like town in D-2
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #838 on: November 17, 2016, 04:17:35 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
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« Reply #839 on: November 17, 2016, 04:17:55 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake
I still think he may be scum but on D-2 EFHW has a better/stronger case against him so I voted him we can lynch SA or LL later but I'm more sure in the EFHW lynch with the info provided on D-2. Also SA has looked much more like town in D-2
You have entered D2 with vastly different scum reads then before the night, SA's D2 behaviour doesn't explain that.
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« Reply #840 on: November 17, 2016, 04:18:30 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake

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« Reply #841 on: November 17, 2016, 04:22:42 pm »

Ok I'm just gonna call everyone by their name so I don't mess this up any more
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #842 on: November 17, 2016, 05:51:48 pm »

VLA over, sorry all, just caught up.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #843 on: November 17, 2016, 05:52:25 pm »

Let's do this:

1) SpaceAnemone, have you voted someone D2 even once? If yes, who and why? If no, why?
2) Calamitas, whose interactions seem the most scummy to you? Why?
3) Jake, who do you think may be scum apart from me and EFHW? Why?
4) Robz, what do you think about EFHW play? What about Jake?
5) EFHW, who is the most scummy? Who is the most suspicious? Who is the towniest? What do you think about Robz' play? My one?
6) E, hi! How are you?

4) Weird question for me. I'm voting for EFHW, she is by far my top scum read. Jake I think is obvtown and I'm baffled that anyone would vote for him.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #844 on: November 17, 2016, 05:52:56 pm »

I will bite

Vote: Jake

Baffled! E, I think this is not good. Don't want to bully the IC, but not good.
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« Reply #845 on: November 17, 2016, 05:53:44 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake

Eh, that's not weird to me though. Town changes their mind, town moves past their mistakes rapidly.
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« Reply #846 on: November 17, 2016, 05:57:13 pm »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
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« Reply #847 on: November 17, 2016, 05:58:28 pm »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.

I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.
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« Reply #848 on: November 17, 2016, 05:59:06 pm »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #849 on: November 17, 2016, 06:07:37 pm »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake

Eh, that's not weird to me though. Town changes their mind, town moves past their mistakes rapidly.
I don't buy that he (who didn't change his mind at all during the day) suddenly turns 180° during the night without any additional input.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #850 on: November 17, 2016, 06:10:25 pm »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.

I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.

You've been studying Galz's play??? This scares me even more, while also making me very happy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #851 on: November 17, 2016, 07:58:35 pm »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.

He's put Jake, Calamitas and EFHW on L-1 in this game, each time with clearly undecided town players left who could have hammered. And I don't think bussing right now is particularly strong when there's so much interaction we can study. If he's scum, PoE says that you're his scum-buddy.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #852 on: November 17, 2016, 08:04:26 pm »

Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #853 on: November 17, 2016, 08:20:16 pm »

Here's my table or pair-wise results, based on re-reads. I'm disappointed that so many pairs appear to have a medium-to-high likelihood. I also feel like I could spend hours more chewing over the various comments, but I'm afraid that's time I don't have... it's already after 1am here, and I need sleep :-(

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Calamitas-EFHWHigh
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LL-EFHWLow
Jake-EFHWVery Low
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #854 on: November 17, 2016, 08:38:30 pm »

I really think LL EFHW pair should be moved to high or very high
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #855 on: November 17, 2016, 09:17:40 pm »

I really think LL EFHW pair should be moved to high or very high

Why? Can you build a case? Please don't just quote a lot of posts or something... you can make a "case" post by starting a new post (using the "Reply" option at the end of the page), then opening a "quote" link (to the top-right of each individual post) in a new browser tab for every portion of text from a different post you want to quote, and then copy-pasting all the relevant quoting mark-up into your main post. It's time-consuming, but it makes your argument much more easy for everyone else to digest.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #856 on: November 17, 2016, 10:28:45 pm »

Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.

This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #857 on: November 17, 2016, 10:29:31 pm »

Well I already made a case on them so I'll link it and you can look back. It is the first post on page 32 or here's the link http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16392.775
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #858 on: November 18, 2016, 12:08:51 am »

Long day at work again. I will have time over the weekend before deadline. Will reread efhw as a priority when I get the chance
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #859 on: November 18, 2016, 12:24:13 am »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.

I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.

You've been studying Galz's play??? This scares me even more, while also making me very happy.

Not only his. I've spent some weekends rereading games. So I am quite familiar with playstyle of different vets, shall they come. That is why I tunnel EFHW actually. If Jimmmmm or Shraeye come to some game, I'll be watching them closely too. Same as I'm watching you btw.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #860 on: November 18, 2016, 12:27:36 am »

I have to admit, though, that I have a bad feeling about LaLight. It's based on almost nothing because LaLight's being very pro-town and moving the game along, and I feel like we would be floundering without them. But I can't help it. The best way to play a good scum game is to play the most pro-towniest town game ever, as the great Galzria used to say (seriously he was so great, read his games). LaLight is definitely fitting that model.

I read the games with Galzria, I agree with you, but I'm town here. Also I'm too sleepy, can't argue right now. Just believe me here, please.

You've been studying Galz's play??? This scares me even more, while also making me very happy.

Though sometimes I don't think I can make the case that looks like "Robz behaved differently in M2 where he was a scum."

I deeply, deeply, deeply enjoy being the mafia.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #861 on: November 18, 2016, 07:12:49 am »

After re-read I'm going for Jake. He tunneled SA throughout D1 and had him as top scum read right at the end of D1. After faust's death (which wasn't extraordinarily taking into account that he claimed tracker) he made a 180° turn and never accused him again. He barely even talked about him today. vote: Jake

Eh, that's not weird to me though. Town changes their mind, town moves past their mistakes rapidly.
I don't buy that he (who didn't change his mind at all during the day) suddenly turns 180° during the night without any additional input.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #862 on: November 18, 2016, 07:17:24 am »

Calm did you not read the post where I told you why I did a 180 from D-1 to a bit into D-2 but I'll repeat that in summary which was basically that SA looked way towner on D-2 than 1 and EFHW and LL looked much scummer
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #863 on: November 18, 2016, 08:28:29 am »

My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #864 on: November 18, 2016, 08:58:57 am »

Calm did you not read the post where I told you why I did a 180 from D-1 to a bit into D-2 but I'll repeat that in summary which was basically that SA looked way towner on D-2 than 1 and EFHW and LL looked much scummer
But how did you know that right at the start of d2?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #865 on: November 18, 2016, 10:12:37 am »

Calm did you not read the post where I told you why I did a 180 from D-1 to a bit into D-2 but I'll repeat that in summary which was basically that SA looked way towner on D-2 than 1 and EFHW and LL looked much scummer
But how did you know that right at the start of d2?
It was from what i picked up at the end of D-1 and probably the first IRL day of D-2. After that is when I posted my scum views on him in the thread
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #866 on: November 18, 2016, 10:14:19 am »

btw we have 26 hours until the deadline
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #867 on: November 18, 2016, 10:17:12 am »

btw we have 26 hours until the deadline

and looks like you have your first strike.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #868 on: November 18, 2016, 10:31:17 am »

Every time you get the preferred pronouns wrong for someone in a post, you get 1 strike. 3 strikes and you're out.[/color][/b]

You don't need to modkill anyone on my account.  I don't take it personally - I'm usually the only she, and new players assume I'm male until they hear otherwise.  I take it like I'm "one of the guys".  I correct them, or let others do it usually now, because I want to be known and don't want them to be embarrassed later, but it's not an insult to me.

Getting used to the singular "they" is hard - I still always imagine a crowd of people when I hear someone use "they" to refer to an individual. It's disrespectful not to make an effort, but I think punishment may be going too far.  That's for Space to say, I guess, since their feeling of inclusion is what's important here.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #869 on: November 18, 2016, 10:33:27 am »

SA is my first choice so Vote: SA
This has been your last read you stated on D1, D2 you didn't mention SA for a quite long time (in comparison to before when basically every third post was about them).
I don't buy that that happened with the little input between those posts. If specific posts changed your mind, please quote them.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #870 on: November 18, 2016, 10:38:10 am »

Ok sorry EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #871 on: November 18, 2016, 10:43:33 am »

SA is my first choice so Vote: SA
This has been your last read you stated on D1, D2 you didn't mention SA for a quite long time (in comparison to before when basically every third post was about them).
I don't buy that that happened with the little input between those posts. If specific posts changed your mind, please quote them.
Ok so it was more that we lynched RR( who was my second choice) then by the time I came back into this game and reread everything SA looked much more town and EFHW looked much more scummy. Also the case on SA during D-1 was not that strong now that I reread it but it was the strongest D-1 case which i why I wanted to lynch him D-1
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #872 on: November 18, 2016, 10:48:57 am »

My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.

Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #873 on: November 18, 2016, 10:51:05 am »

Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.

This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.

3/5 of my lynchpool is already voting EFHW. The only person that leaves is Calamitas. I have Calamitas-EFHW as a high-likelihood pairing, but with anyone else it looks considerably more unlikely to me, so overall out of my possible scum-paring reading, the marginal probability of EFHW being scum is much lower than for other people.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #874 on: November 18, 2016, 10:52:43 am »

Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.

This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.

3/5 of my lynchpool is already voting EFHW. The only person that leaves is Calamitas. I have Calamitas-EFHW as a high-likelihood pairing, but with anyone else it looks considerably more unlikely to me, so overall out of my possible scum-paring reading, the marginal probability of EFHW being scum is much lower than for other people.
Yeah but I think the LL-EFHW pair should be very high or at least high
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #875 on: November 18, 2016, 10:53:37 am »

Here's my table or pair-wise results, based on re-reads. I'm disappointed that so many pairs appear to have a medium-to-high likelihood. I also feel like I could spend hours more chewing over the various comments, but I'm afraid that's time I don't have... it's already after 1am here, and I need sleep :-(

Jake-RobzVery High
LL-RobzVery High
Calamitas-EFHWHigh
Calamitas-RobzMedium-High
LL-CalamitasMedium-High
LL-JakeMiddling
Jake-CalamitasMedium-Low
LL-EFHWLow
Jake-EFHWVery Low
Robz-EFHWNull

I meant to add that in this context, I'm using "null" to mean "I don't know how to assign a likelihood here". I think Robz and EFHW are two very experienced players so looking at their interactions is considerably less likely to yield useful tells. It does not mean I don't think they're possible as a scumteam.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #876 on: November 18, 2016, 10:55:02 am »

My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.

Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive.  I'm really at a loss here.  I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #877 on: November 18, 2016, 10:55:23 am »

Also, the length of time EFHW's been at L-1 makes me feel like she's more likely to be town.

This is exactly backwards, though. It's scum who languish at L-1, because their partners don't vote for them, and they try to subtly undermine the lynch. This should be an argument in favor of EFHW being scum.

3/5 of my lynchpool is already voting EFHW. The only person that leaves is Calamitas. I have Calamitas-EFHW as a high-likelihood pairing, but with anyone else it looks considerably more unlikely to me, so overall out of my possible scum-paring reading, the marginal probability of EFHW being scum is much lower than for other people.
Yeah but I think the LL-EFHW pair should be very high or at least high

I was responding to Robz's particular comment about how scum languish at L-1 because their partners don't vote for them.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #878 on: November 18, 2016, 10:56:46 am »

I should say 2 out of 4, since one of those pairings is with me!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #879 on: November 18, 2016, 10:57:24 am »

My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.

Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive.  I'm really at a loss here.  I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.

Robz is in three of the top four. And you and Robz have incomplete information because I just didn't want to pick a number.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #880 on: November 18, 2016, 10:57:42 am »

I suspect everyone here.
Less so Calamitas. Others are on the very level "Will be glad to lynch"

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #881 on: November 18, 2016, 10:58:29 am »

My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.

Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive.  I'm really at a loss here.  I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.

Robz is in three of the top four. And you and Robz have incomplete information because I just didn't want to pick a number.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #882 on: November 18, 2016, 10:59:25 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #883 on: November 18, 2016, 11:09:11 am »

My scumreads on Jake and Lalight are weakening. Still on the fence about Robz. Going with vote: Calamitas.

Surely if he's scum he'd have hammered you by now, no?
He can't because he said the case against me was ridiculous. I'm sure that's part of where my initial townread on him started, but he's been so inactive.  I'm really at a loss here.  I did notice that Calamitas is in 3 of the top 5 of your pairings.

Robz is in three of the top four. And you and Robz have incomplete information because I just didn't want to pick a number.

Still willing to lynch Robz.
What is the case there?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #884 on: November 18, 2016, 11:14:36 am »

POE and feeling unable to read him.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #885 on: November 18, 2016, 11:16:12 am »

Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P

So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.

I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #886 on: November 18, 2016, 11:26:50 am »

I can see no single reason for SA to townread EFHW.
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« Reply #887 on: November 18, 2016, 11:50:01 am »

Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P

So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.

I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
How did you gather the pair-reads from above? Just be looking at the interactions or did you take your scum-priors into account?
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« Reply #888 on: November 18, 2016, 11:51:08 am »

I can see no single reason for SA to townread EFHW.
I agree why do you think EFHW is town SA
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #889 on: November 18, 2016, 11:54:35 am »

Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P

So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.

I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
How did you gather the pair-reads from above? Just be looking at the interactions or did you take your scum-priors into account?

The pairwise reads were done looking at how pairs of people interacted with each other, and folding in information about their voting patters on each other when viewed in isolation from the actual content (since I think scums kind of generate noise around their motives, but the action of voting is more clear.

The ordering above is a marginal over the scum pairings (i.e. take a mean score of each of the four pairs involving each of the five of you), so it's not totally reliable in that respect, especially since I had to put a number on Robz-EFHW in order to sum it.

I'm not totally comfortable with what the scores themselves mean in a physical sense. Amount of expected surprise on seeing a particular pairing confirmed was the closest explanation I could fit to it in my head..
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #890 on: November 18, 2016, 12:09:30 pm »

Every time you get the preferred pronouns wrong for someone in a post, you get 1 strike. 3 strikes and you're out.[/color][/b]

You don't need to modkill anyone on my account.  I don't take it personally - I'm usually the only she, and new players assume I'm male until they hear otherwise.  I take it like I'm "one of the guys".  I correct them, or let others do it usually now, because I want to be known and don't want them to be embarrassed later, but it's not an insult to me.

Getting used to the singular "they" is hard - I still always imagine a crowd of people when I hear someone use "they" to refer to an individual. It's disrespectful not to make an effort, but I think punishment may be going too far.  That's for Space to say, I guess, since their feeling of inclusion is what's important here.

It isn't really on your account.  Part of it is because even if it is hard, Jake should be able to get it right.  A second part of it is if someone who actually doesn't want to be referred to as "he" comes around, I want them to comfortably be able to play in a game with Jake.  Considering that we actually have people like that in our mafia community (people who are trans/non-binary), I feel like it is something to support.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #891 on: November 18, 2016, 02:44:40 pm »

Sorry... wrote this just after my last post, but work is hectic and I really need to stop trying to keep up with the forum just now, but it's too interesting :-P

So looking at my mean marginals on the numerical version of my table in my notes, I seem to have Robz > Calamitas > LL > Jake > EFHW for my scum ordering. I'm not sure that's the optimal way of calculating it, but it doesn't feel a million miles out.

I think I'd like to hear more from Robz in a way that analyses play in this game, rather than talks about how scum/town tend to play on average.
How did you gather the pair-reads from above? Just be looking at the interactions or did you take your scum-priors into account?

The pairwise reads were done looking at how pairs of people interacted with each other, and folding in information about their voting patters on each other when viewed in isolation from the actual content (since I think scums kind of generate noise around their motives, but the action of voting is more clear.

The ordering above is a marginal over the scum pairings (i.e. take a mean score of each of the four pairs involving each of the five of you), so it's not totally reliable in that respect, especially since I had to put a number on Robz-EFHW in order to sum it.

I'm not totally comfortable with what the scores themselves mean in a physical sense. Amount of expected surprise on seeing a particular pairing confirmed was the closest explanation I could fit to it in my head..
Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #892 on: November 18, 2016, 05:23:32 pm »

Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?

Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #893 on: November 18, 2016, 05:26:11 pm »

Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?

Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
What I meant is that having multiple "high" entries doesn't make someone scummy here. Because if one has a scummy (in regard to the pairwise reading method) interaction with multiple people it becomes a no tell. Those entries work only on a relative scale, not on an absolute if I understood your method correctly.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #894 on: November 18, 2016, 06:22:17 pm »

Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?

Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
What I meant is that having multiple "high" entries doesn't make someone scummy here. Because if one has a scummy (in regard to the pairwise reading method) interaction with multiple people it becomes a no tell. Those entries work only on a relative scale, not on an absolute if I understood your method correctly.

Okay, I see where you're going with that now; you're arguing that if I don't normalise by how likely an individual is to have a "scummy-looking" possible pairing overall, then the scores shouldn't be directly comparable, yes?

I'm not sure I agree. The way I formulate the evaluation in my head was "how surprised would I be at the end of the game if this pair turns out to have been the scums", on a scale of 0 to 1. So I thing averaging in that sense is still valid without additional scaling. It's just hard to fold this with other correlated info like how scummy a person has seemed from things they've said in isolation.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #895 on: November 18, 2016, 06:29:40 pm »

A second part of it is if someone who actually doesn't want to be referred to as "he" comes around, I want them to comfortably be able to play in a game with Jake.  Considering that we actually have people like that in our mafia community (people who are trans/non-binary), I feel like it is something to support.

I really appreciate this, and I'd like to see f.ds be this kind of inclusive community :-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #896 on: November 18, 2016, 07:23:44 pm »

Do multiple scummy interactions even imply anything then?

Is your question about my initial pairwise method, or the marginalisation? I'm not really sure what you're asking sine my pairwise read was more looking for lack of conflict or non-interaction than our was looking for anything actively scummy. Does that make sense?
What I meant is that having multiple "high" entries doesn't make someone scummy here. Because if one has a scummy (in regard to the pairwise reading method) interaction with multiple people it becomes a no tell. Those entries work only on a relative scale, not on an absolute if I understood your method correctly.

Okay, I see where you're going with that now; you're arguing that if I don't normalise by how likely an individual is to have a "scummy-looking" possible pairing overall, then the scores shouldn't be directly comparable, yes?

I'm not sure I agree. The way I formulate the evaluation in my head was "how surprised would I be at the end of the game if this pair turns out to have been the scums", on a scale of 0 to 1. So I thing averaging in that sense is still valid without additional scaling. It's just hard to fold this with other correlated info like how scummy a person has seemed from things they've said in isolation.
In that case you did include priors since you compared posteriors.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #897 on: November 18, 2016, 07:35:43 pm »

Suppose we have someone really scummy (scumslip) who does interact with basically everyone quite towny. Based on the interactions only you wouldn't expect any scum pair with that person. Based on their scumslip you expect them to be scum though. So the "how much i'm going to be surprised" criterium resolves in much higher scum ratings than the conversations alone would.
And if one actually analyzes the pairs and the scuminess of their interactions one has to look only at the discrepancy between different possible partners. Suppose person A interacts scummy with B, C and D. And person B interacts towny with B,C and scummy with D.
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- A seems to interact scummy with everyone, no tell in regard to their potential partner
- The estimate of B&D being scum has risen a lot
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #898 on: November 18, 2016, 08:38:33 pm »

Suppose we have someone really scummy (scumslip) who does interact with basically everyone quite towny. Based on the interactions only you wouldn't expect any scum pair with that person. Based on their scumslip you expect them to be scum though. So the "how much i'm going to be surprised" criterium resolves in much higher scum ratings than the conversations alone would.
And if one actually analyzes the pairs and the scuminess of their interactions one has to look only at the discrepancy between different possible partners. Suppose person A interacts scummy with B, C and D. And person B interacts towny with B,C and scummy with D.
The only information you can get there is:
- A seems to interact scummy with everyone, no tell in regard to their potential partner
- The estimate of B&D being scum has risen a lot

If I had strong first-order information (reads on individuals, scumslips etc), I wouldn't have needed to resort to the much more costly second-order information (pairwise interactions, particular voting histories). So let's just assume a flat prior on the five of you.

I think I object to you calling interactions "scummy", because it makes it sound like there are definite pieces of evidence that I'm integrating over a set of interactions or something. That's not the case: the pair-wise tells seem to be much more subtle, and difficult to quantify, which is why this is hard. I can do inference and mathematical modelling really well; it's reading people I'm less good at :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #899 on: November 19, 2016, 02:09:20 am »

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm

Reread tomorrow. I will not be around on Sunday at lunch, but will be around about an hour or so before. Hopefully we can get a lynch done Saturday though
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #900 on: November 19, 2016, 02:15:05 am »

Vote Count 2.3

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EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}

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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm

GKrieg, deadline is on Sunday or on 19th of November?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #901 on: November 19, 2016, 02:15:33 am »

Because if it is on 19th, we have 10 hours left
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #902 on: November 19, 2016, 02:20:04 am »

*sigh* Prod: Robz

You are not even VLA, i can see you on forums...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #903 on: November 19, 2016, 02:28:51 am »

Vote Count LaLight

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #904 on: November 19, 2016, 02:29:32 am »

Vote Count LaLight

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Fixed the numbers
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #905 on: November 19, 2016, 02:31:32 am »

I feel very afraid that deadline is in 10 hours and you all are sleeping.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #906 on: November 19, 2016, 05:31:11 am »

LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #907 on: November 19, 2016, 05:42:54 am »

LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?

Either Jake+SA are a scum team or it's just Jake, he does this sort of things
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« Reply #908 on: November 19, 2016, 05:45:11 am »

LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?

Looks like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Calamitas, what do you rhink about EFHW?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #909 on: November 19, 2016, 05:46:16 am »

LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?

Either Jake+SA are a scum team or it's just Jake, he does this sort of things
But he would never change that much without input. It is so out of character.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #910 on: November 19, 2016, 05:46:46 am »

LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?

Looks like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Calamitas, what do you rhink about EFHW?
Couldn't reallt get grasp of her. Can you summarize the case for me?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #911 on: November 19, 2016, 05:50:06 am »

LaLight, would do you think about the change of behaviour from Jake?

Looks like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Calamitas, what do you rhink about EFHW?
Couldn't reallt get grasp of her. Can you summarize the case for me?

Oh,  we were talking about her case all the time. I won't have a computer till my evening which is 10 hoirs from now. And seems like we have 6 hours till the deadline. Look at her voting.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #912 on: November 19, 2016, 06:23:25 am »

I see you all prefer no lynch.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #913 on: November 19, 2016, 06:31:43 am »

I see you all prefer no lynch.
There won't be no lynch, I will be around until deadline.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #914 on: November 19, 2016, 06:36:21 am »

I see you all prefer no lynch.
There won't be no lynch, I will be around until deadline.

I'm here too but from the phone.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #915 on: November 19, 2016, 07:13:31 am »

vote: Jake. I thought we had until Sunday, good catch Lalight.

Don't see a mystery in his changed behavior. He listened to our feedback.
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« Reply #916 on: November 19, 2016, 07:18:59 am »

vote: Jake. I thought we had until Sunday, good catch Lalight.

Don't see a mystery in his changed behavior. He listened to our feedback.
He didn't listened D1(over a week IRL), why should he switch during the night then?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #917 on: November 19, 2016, 07:19:22 am »

Recent posts by Calamitas ring some scum bells, though. Lots of theory, pursuing minor questions, never engaged fully in scum hunting. I won't move my vote because of the deadline, but am totally willing if there is interest.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #918 on: November 19, 2016, 07:19:54 am »

vote: Jake. I thought we had until Sunday, good catch Lalight.

Don't see a mystery in his changed behavior. He listened to our feedback.
He didn't listened D1(over a week IRL), why should he switch during the night then?
I think RR probably talked to him.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #919 on: November 19, 2016, 07:22:48 am »

Ok, now I see what you are saying. You think his scum partner talked to him. Scumread on you diminished somewhat.
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« Reply #920 on: November 19, 2016, 07:26:24 am »

Ok, now I see what you are saying. You think his scum partner talked to him. Scumread on you diminished somewhat.
That's what I'm thinking. I don't estimate rr is the type of person who would break the code by speaking about the game IRL, so night chat is in my opinion the only viable explanation.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #921 on: November 19, 2016, 07:26:38 am »

It's 3-3 Jake/EFHW. i'll wait some more
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #922 on: November 19, 2016, 07:28:21 am »

It's 3-3 Jake/EFHW. i'll wait some more
Why do you prefer efhw over jake right now?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #923 on: November 19, 2016, 07:32:09 am »

It's 3-3 Jake/EFHW. i'll wait some more
Why do you prefer efhw over jake right now?

Jake seems townie to me, all the time. But if the alternativw will be no lynch, ill switch
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #924 on: November 19, 2016, 07:36:24 am »

@Calamitas: But Jake didn't change between N1 and N2. He was trolling me for most of today. Now your argument doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #925 on: November 19, 2016, 07:37:55 am »

If you are referring to his changed reads, that doesn't seem mysterious either. unvote.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #926 on: November 19, 2016, 07:41:06 am »

I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.

Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?
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« Reply #927 on: November 19, 2016, 07:41:43 am »

If you are referring to his changed reads, that doesn't seem mysterious either. unvote.
In how far is that not mysterious? He tunneled SA the whole D1, claimed to be almost positive about them being scum. His last stated read about them on D1 was still proclaiming that they are his top scumrread. Then, right at the beginning of D2 his claims are 180° turned. He doesn't mention SA for a little while and leaves the night with a scumread on you and robz. In how far is that not suspicious without additional input?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #928 on: November 19, 2016, 07:43:02 am »

I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.

Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?

You flipping town. You're too dangerous as scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #929 on: November 19, 2016, 07:44:35 am »

Why would a scum partner tell him to change his reads? Switching from one tunnel to another doesn't seem like much of an improvement.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #930 on: November 19, 2016, 07:45:34 am »

I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.

Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?

You flipping town. You're too dangerous as scum.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #931 on: November 19, 2016, 07:47:07 am »

I know this may have ensured my own lynch, but I'm hoping we can settle on someone else.

Which would be more informative, me flipping town or Jake flipping town?

You flipping town. You're too dangerous as scum.

I see. What do you think about Calamitas?

I don't see any scumness in him. His sometimes lurking is connected to irl events, other words are him being solid town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #932 on: November 19, 2016, 07:52:20 am »

So to me it seems like it has to be either Jake or Calamitas, but you think they are both town, which I guess is why you think I am scum. Either way, Robz would be the partner. Robz lynch?
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« Reply #933 on: November 19, 2016, 07:57:33 am »

So to me it seems like it has to be either Jake or Calamitas, but you think they are both town, which I guess is why you think I am scum. Either way, Robz would be the partner. Robz lynch?

There's SA also. It's you/SA or you/Robz. Either way it's you. Your lynch? :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #934 on: November 19, 2016, 08:00:24 am »

Not my first choice, actually! Do you think Space would do all that partner analysis as scum? They are a really strong townread for me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #935 on: November 19, 2016, 08:02:09 am »

Not my first choice, actually! Do you think Space would do all that partner analysis as scum? They are a really strong townread for me.

Afaik the more Space seems town the more they're scum. Read nm8 plz
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #936 on: November 19, 2016, 08:05:45 am »

also, Robz lurking saddens me a lot. If he's scum and he'll win, that will be poor play, really.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #937 on: November 19, 2016, 09:08:51 am »

LaLight, are you sure that you won't settle on Jake? Please re-read him again if you have the time.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #938 on: November 19, 2016, 09:58:54 am »

Sorry, I'm here. But I don't have anything new to add. I very much want to lynch EFHW and don't want to lynch Jake. I mean, I will Jake over No Lynch, if that's where it's headed. But I'd much rather lynch anyone else.
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« Reply #939 on: November 19, 2016, 10:00:01 am »

We need one more vote on EFHW? What's giving people pause?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #940 on: November 19, 2016, 10:08:57 am »

We need one more vote on EFHW? What's giving people pause?

That's the exact question i ask everyone all the time!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #941 on: November 19, 2016, 10:18:16 am »

LaLight, are you sure that you won't settle on Jake? Please re-read him again if you have the time.

I will as an alternative to no lynch
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #942 on: November 19, 2016, 10:18:57 am »

1,5 hours till deadline
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #943 on: November 19, 2016, 10:19:17 am »

We need one more vote on EFHW? What's giving people pause?

That's the exact question i ask everyone all the time!
I have a much much stronger scum read on Jake. Cannot believe you all aren't seeing it.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #944 on: November 19, 2016, 10:19:50 am »

Vote Count 2.3

Jake (1): e
EFHW (3): Robz, Jake, LaLight {L-1}

Not Voting (3):  Calamitas, SpaceAnemone, EFHW


With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 1 ends Sunday Nov 19 at 12 pm

GKrieg, deadline is on Sunday or on 19th of November?

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« Reply #945 on: November 19, 2016, 10:32:23 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.
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« Reply #946 on: November 19, 2016, 10:34:14 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.

Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote
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« Reply #947 on: November 19, 2016, 10:36:38 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.

Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote

Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.
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« Reply #948 on: November 19, 2016, 10:37:28 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.

Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote

Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.

I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #949 on: November 19, 2016, 10:39:32 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.

Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote

Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.

I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
I'm not going to shift then.
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« Reply #950 on: November 19, 2016, 10:41:16 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.

Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote

Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.

I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.

Okay. It looks to me based on SA's prior posting that he is more likely to vote for Jake.
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« Reply #951 on: November 19, 2016, 10:41:34 am »

Gosh, what is the vote count? Do I need to move my vote to Jake? Ugh.

Jake and EFHW are on L-1. SA didn't vote

Do you think SA is going to show up? Jake is my strongest town read but we can't have No Lynch.

I'll be here to lynch Jake right on the deadline if anything. We can wait.
I'm not going to shift then.

You should! EFHW is a better lynch!
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« Reply #952 on: November 19, 2016, 10:58:31 am »

Hour left. Please, let's lynch EFHW
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« Reply #953 on: November 19, 2016, 11:01:31 am »

Jake isn't at L-1 anymore, EFHW has unvoted. Don't miss that please.
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« Reply #954 on: November 19, 2016, 11:01:55 am »

Hour left. Please, let's lynch EFHW

Well, I'm going to have to leave before then... you will be around to switch to Jake at the last minute? I can trust you to do that? I guess the only way you wouldn't do that is if Jake is scum and you are his partner.
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« Reply #955 on: November 19, 2016, 11:02:12 am »

Jake isn't at L-1 anymore, EFHW has unvoted. Don't miss that please.

Oh, really?
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« Reply #956 on: November 19, 2016, 11:03:19 am »

Vote Count 2.4

Jake (2): e, Calamitas
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« Reply #957 on: November 19, 2016, 11:03:45 am »

Hour left. Please, let's lynch EFHW

Well, I'm going to have to leave before then... you will be around to switch to Jake at the last minute? I can trust you to do that? I guess the only way you wouldn't do that is if Jake is scum and you are his partner.
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« Reply #958 on: November 19, 2016, 11:03:49 am »

Crap, you're right. How convenient for her, now I have to switch my vote so that we get a lynch at all. (Im assuming no one else is showing up.)

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« Reply #959 on: November 19, 2016, 11:04:27 am »

Calamitas, we can't persuade you to go EFHW? This is so scummy of her. She's essentially forced our hands.
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« Reply #960 on: November 19, 2016, 11:06:28 am »

Well, I'm out of time. Don't think I'll be back. Really wish it could have been EFHW, but I've been massively wrong before. Hope this is one of those times!
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« Reply #961 on: November 19, 2016, 11:10:53 am »

Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.

Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
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« Reply #962 on: November 19, 2016, 11:18:42 am »

Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.

Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
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« Reply #963 on: November 19, 2016, 11:22:12 am »

Well, I'm out of time. Don't think I'll be back. Really wish it could have been EFHW, but I've been massively wrong before. Hope this is one of those times!
It is. Remember that time you insisted on lynching me when I was the only one supporting your theory of the game?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #964 on: November 19, 2016, 11:22:30 am »

Okay. Let's play D3 better. Be more active people. vote: Jakethebaseballgod22
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« Reply #965 on: November 19, 2016, 11:22:51 am »

And the theory was right, too, I think.
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« Reply #966 on: November 19, 2016, 11:22:56 am »

Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.

Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
You're not making a mistake. I didn't mean to force hands, I just felt Calamitas was scummier than Jake.

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« Reply #967 on: November 19, 2016, 11:25:24 am »

Darn.. really thought the deadline was Sunday!

I'm here now -- someone fill me in? I still have a houseguest and we've just got back from being separate for a while (I needed groceries!) so it's terribly rude of me to be focusing on the forum :-(
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« Reply #968 on: November 19, 2016, 11:26:42 am »

Urgh.. am I like 10 mins too late?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #969 on: November 19, 2016, 11:26:47 am »

Darn.. really thought the deadline was Sunday!

I'm here now -- someone fill me in? I still have a houseguest and we've just got back from being separate for a while (I needed groceries!) so it's terribly rude of me to be focusing on the forum :-(

It's too late, we lynched Jake because there weren't enough ppl around to lynch EFHw
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« Reply #970 on: November 19, 2016, 11:27:26 am »

Well, I'm out of time. Don't think I'll be back. Really wish it could have been EFHW, but I've been massively wrong before. Hope this is one of those times!
It is. Remember that time you insisted on lynching me when I was the only one supporting your theory of the game?

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #971 on: November 19, 2016, 11:29:43 am »

Okay, you all are wrong, but without Robz' support i'm gonna vote Jake for sure in 10 minutes, i'm leaving too. But we're making a mistake.

Let's intent to hammer first. I need a claim
You're not making a mistake. I didn't mean to force hands, I just felt Calamitas was scummier than Jake.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #972 on: November 19, 2016, 11:31:48 am »

If Jake IS scum, Space is his partner, yes? There's no one else left
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #973 on: November 19, 2016, 11:32:32 am »

Annie had been listening to chatter for days.  She knew Lena was out there, and she knew she was dangerous.

One spot that kept coming up was a дом on Комсомольская.  She decided she would check it out.

As she got in there, she found that she was too late.

Her friend, Arthur Campbell was dead.  She should've come sooner and been around to save him.


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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #974 on: November 21, 2016, 10:39:47 am »

As Annie was mourning the deaths of many people very close to her, she needed to undertake one last mission.  A suicide mission of sorts.  Either Lena would be dead or she would.

As she was preparing for her mission, Joan came to console her and to try to talk her out of it.  "You know we have both suffered a lot from Lena and Henry.  But I am not authorizing you to go on this mission".

"Then I'll do it without the help of the agency".

"I was afraid you might say that."

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #975 on: November 21, 2016, 10:41:53 am »

Vote Count 3.0


Not Voting (5): LaLight, Calamitas, Robz888, EFHW, SpaceAnemone


With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday Nov 29 at 11 am
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #976 on: November 21, 2016, 11:11:49 am »

That is bad. Very, very bad. Now you people see why we should not lynch Jake because he looks scummy. Told ya. Now it's two of sa/efhw/robz. Will reread. But SA is top scum read.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #977 on: November 21, 2016, 11:13:06 am »

Also i will reread M84 to look at Calamitas' scumplay. Looks like we lost though but i'll do everything it takes to win.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #978 on: November 21, 2016, 11:14:31 am »

Also I don't like Robz' switch to Jake at all. Vote all of you
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #979 on: November 21, 2016, 11:17:49 am »

Each of you received scum MVP at least once!

Robz was the best scum player 2013! Oh come on!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #980 on: November 21, 2016, 11:22:59 am »

My feeling is that it's either Robz-LL or Calamitas-EFHW.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #981 on: November 21, 2016, 11:23:33 am »

Also I don't like Robz' switch to Jake at all. Vote all of you

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #982 on: November 21, 2016, 11:25:33 am »

I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle
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« Reply #983 on: November 21, 2016, 11:28:51 am »

I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle

But Haddock is always the scummiest!

On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #984 on: November 21, 2016, 11:29:51 am »

I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle

But Haddock is always the scummiest!

On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #985 on: November 21, 2016, 11:31:05 am »

I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle

But Haddock is always the scummiest!

On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?

I needed someone townie to see it and vote with me eeehh :(
Calamitas is not off the hook, he's just the least scummy
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #986 on: November 21, 2016, 11:32:14 am »

I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle

But Haddock is always the scummiest!

On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?

Scum points to you that was a good plan to see who will quickhammer without thinking.

Seriously? I thought you were just joking around. Pretty sure nobody thought McGarnacle was in the game :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #987 on: November 21, 2016, 11:35:20 am »

I've made my choice. vote: McGarnacle

But Haddock is always the scummiest!

On a more serious note, why is Calamitas off the hook as far as you're concerned?

Scum points to you that was a good plan to see who will quickhammer without thinking.

Seriously? I thought you were just joking around. Pretty sure nobody thought McGarnacle was in the game :-P

Still that was the best plan i have..
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« Reply #988 on: November 21, 2016, 11:47:05 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
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« Reply #989 on: November 21, 2016, 11:50:52 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #990 on: November 21, 2016, 11:52:54 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.

Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.
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« Reply #991 on: November 21, 2016, 11:53:04 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.
AND an IC.  That's 10 points. Checking now to see if that could really happen.
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« Reply #992 on: November 21, 2016, 11:53:28 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.
AND an IC.  That's 10 points. Checking now to see if that could really happen.
14 points.
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« Reply #993 on: November 21, 2016, 11:55:12 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.

Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.
Yep, but it is still very strong evidence. The chance that either I am random or you are framed is so little considering we have 12 players.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #994 on: November 21, 2016, 11:55:19 am »

Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.

Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.
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« Reply #995 on: November 21, 2016, 11:56:54 am »

Really annoyed the EFHW lynch got derailed and I principally blame Calamitas.
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« Reply #996 on: November 21, 2016, 11:57:52 am »

Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.

Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.

Why them? Are you also a pr?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #997 on: November 21, 2016, 11:58:19 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.
AND an IC.  That's 10 points. Checking now to see if that could really happen.
14 points.

It could, with a lot of negative modifiers.

If we have any more town PRs, now is the time to claim, though!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #998 on: November 21, 2016, 11:59:00 am »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA

Nope. Nope nope nope. It's Calamitas.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #999 on: November 21, 2016, 11:59:19 am »

gkrieg - when you rolled for roles and modifiers, did you alternate?  Which did you do first?
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« Reply #1000 on: November 21, 2016, 12:00:25 pm »

I think Calamitas should get his mass claim wish today.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1001 on: November 21, 2016, 12:00:33 pm »

Guys we have to be really careful here, haven't read posts yet, but PLEASE NO VOTES.

Um, by the way scum team HAS to be EFHW/Calamitas, and I'm so confident I would lynch either.

Why them? Are you also a pr?

No, but POE at this point. EFHW's lynch was so hard because she's scum, and Calamitas was the one who killed that. Well, Calamitas has to be scum no matter what, virtually. Not surprising that he's trying to frame Space.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1002 on: November 21, 2016, 12:02:00 pm »

gkrieg - when you rolled for roles and modifiers, did you alternate?  Which did you do first?

Check out the posts at #630 and #633.

The fact he felt the need to clarify at #633 makes me think that there could be quite a lot of modifiers in play.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1003 on: November 21, 2016, 12:05:03 pm »

If you give me some time I can re-read and construct a more full case for why it's Calamitas/EFHW.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #1004 on: November 21, 2016, 12:06:14 pm »

Is there anything we learn, setup wise, now that we know faust was the Tracker? I admit I'm confused by the points system and what it means.

Not so much. We know that with a tracker plus a IC, that's a total of 8 positive points. If there's another town PR on top of those, then we must also have some negative-point elements, otherwise the role generation would have terminated earlier.

It seems more likely than not that the Mafia have a RB rather than a goon for their second role. I could put better numbers on it if enough people are interested, but I'd have to ask gkrieg more questions about the exact generation algorithm, and sometimes people don't like it when I do maths at the setups :-(
First, maths is great :D
Secondly, the algorithm works like this:

1. Pick random modifier
2. If sum>=7: continue with 6
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5. Repeat 1-5
6. Assign the roles to the different players
7. Assign the modifiers to the different players

Please correct me if I have missunderstood it gkrieg

Correct.  Except I switched 1 and 3 this time.  I started with a role instead of starting with a modifier.

I guess one other thing to note is that roles and modifiers are only assigned to town players.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1005 on: November 21, 2016, 12:10:45 pm »

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1006 on: November 21, 2016, 12:19:56 pm »

We don't need any of that. I am a tracker and I have seen SA targeting e tonight vote: SA
Come on, two trackers and a doctor?  That's not believable.

Actually, the really unbelievable thing is Calamitas acting on that information knowing how many negative modifiers that would mean we have in the game.
Yep, but it is still very strong evidence. The chance that either I am random or you are framed is so little considering we have 12 players.

We started with 9 players, 2 of whom were scum. If you're telling the truth, we must have at least two instances of modifier 1 or 2. And you rule out yourself being weak because you think you targeted scum last night, so either Jake or Faust was week, or at least one of you is random, or we have a significant number of framed/macho/miller VTs (at least 4, possibly 6+). If you're telling the truth, we only have 3 VTs in the game, so even just one instance of "random" landing on a VT means all three of us get a modifier.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1007 on: November 21, 2016, 12:22:58 pm »

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?
One vt gets all of them in case.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1008 on: November 21, 2016, 12:23:04 pm »

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

I think you might be misunderstanding. If I roll a Random/Other stuff then I assign it to a town player. If it is assign d to a PR, they become a random PR. If assigned to a VT then that VT is macho and framed and witness. All three are applied to the one VT
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1009 on: November 21, 2016, 12:23:48 pm »

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

Can't believe you haven't asked this in your QT :P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1010 on: November 21, 2016, 12:28:40 pm »

What if the team is sa/calamitas...
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1011 on: November 21, 2016, 12:39:07 pm »

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1012 on: November 21, 2016, 12:39:57 pm »

For modifiers 1 and 2, where one modifier maps to one PR or multiple VTs, did you just pick one player at random, and if it was a VT, then pick additional VTs for the other framed/macho/miller modifiers? Or could those also be used up on a town PR?

I think you might be misunderstanding. If I roll a Random/Other stuff then I assign it to a town player. If it is assign d to a PR, they become a random PR. If assigned to a VT then that VT is macho and framed and witness. All three are applied to the one VT

Thanks! Yeah, I thought the thing about modifiers going to different people if they don't already have one meant that the three extras all went to different VTs.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1013 on: November 21, 2016, 12:40:48 pm »

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?

To 100% ic himself or sa if we lynch Calamitas so next day it's guaranteed win
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1014 on: November 21, 2016, 12:42:54 pm »

What if the team is sa/calamitas...

Why would Calamitas indict Space if that were the case?

To 100% ic himself or sa if we lynch Calamitas so next day it's guaranteed win

Gah, I'm rusty. Yes, of course. Ugh.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1015 on: November 21, 2016, 12:43:29 pm »

Well, but Calamitas's prior actions make most sense if he's EFHW's partner.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1016 on: November 21, 2016, 12:43:49 pm »

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?
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« Reply #1017 on: November 21, 2016, 12:44:26 pm »

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Yes, important questions, answer immediately please.
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« Reply #1018 on: November 21, 2016, 12:44:47 pm »

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?

Oh of course. Obvious questions, thank you.
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« Reply #1019 on: November 21, 2016, 12:50:54 pm »

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?
Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.
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« Reply #1020 on: November 21, 2016, 12:57:58 pm »

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?
Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.

Erm... why was tracking faust useful N1?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1021 on: November 21, 2016, 12:59:20 pm »

@Calamitas: why did you target me and not one of the vets?

Also, what was your result from N1?
Targeted faust, he has gone for robz. I targeted you since you have been my widest town read and vets are generally more likely to get targeted and therefore more reluctant to kill in such situations.

Erm... why was tracking faust useful N1?
He claimed tracker and there has been a decent chance he would survive since there has been an IC out there. So I want to check whether his claims stands after a potential survival.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1022 on: November 21, 2016, 01:06:05 pm »

Robz, LL and EFHW, could the three of you all please confirm that you're not claiming town PRs too?

I'm claiming VT, in case that wasn't clear from before!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1023 on: November 21, 2016, 01:06:33 pm »

I am a VT.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1024 on: November 21, 2016, 01:08:55 pm »

ok, it's possible if two people got negative value modifiers.  I think we should mass claim to see if we can account for enough negative points for Calamitas's result to be possible.  I can go first.

PPE: Vanilla Agent. Are we claiming modifiers?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1025 on: November 21, 2016, 01:09:10 pm »

VT

I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker
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« Reply #1026 on: November 21, 2016, 01:09:55 pm »

ok, it's possible if two people got negative value modifiers.  I think we should mass claim to see if we can account for enough negative points for Calamitas's result to be possible.  I can go first.

PPE: Vanilla Agent. Are we claiming modifiers?

scumslip finally! Confirm someone, i'm scared
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1027 on: November 21, 2016, 01:10:39 pm »

I'll check
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1028 on: November 21, 2016, 01:10:49 pm »

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
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« Reply #1029 on: November 21, 2016, 01:11:07 pm »

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
They are fully hidden, even after flip.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1030 on: November 21, 2016, 01:11:27 pm »

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
I guess you think that's the scumslip?  I just assumed I didn't roll anything.
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« Reply #1031 on: November 21, 2016, 01:13:02 pm »

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
I guess you think that's the scumslip?  I just assumed I didn't roll anything.

Come on! You're too good! If you're scum, i'm your fan till the end of times!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1032 on: November 21, 2016, 01:15:58 pm »

Here's my proposal that once worked. Artificial votes in italics.

vote: efhw
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1033 on: November 21, 2016, 01:18:31 pm »

VT

I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker

You say both that you believe Calamitas and that you don't believe Calamitas!
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« Reply #1034 on: November 21, 2016, 01:19:07 pm »

Wait a minute, do people also not know if they have a modifier?  I've been assuming those with modifiers had them stated in their PM (clearly I do not).
I guess you think that's the scumslip?  I just assumed I didn't roll anything.

Come on! You're too good! If you're scum, i'm your fan till the end of times!

Yeah, that strikes me as a legit scum slip. Not 100% but pretty strong. Maybe 70%.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1035 on: November 21, 2016, 01:19:22 pm »

Also, everyone plz: top town/top scum. That will help the next day.

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« Reply #1036 on: November 21, 2016, 01:20:15 pm »

LaLight, don't you think Calamitas is scum for certain? I also think EFHW is his partner, but I mean, the possibility you raised--Calamitas and Space having worked this out--would mean lynching EFHW before Calamitas is wrong.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1037 on: November 21, 2016, 01:21:05 pm »

Also, everyone plz: top town/top scum. That will help the next day.

Top town: Robz
Top scum: EFHW

There's no more reads. You are town, Calamitas is scum. Either it's EFHW (which makes most sense given previous day wagons), or Space (because of the terrifying possibility that you pointed out).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1038 on: November 21, 2016, 01:21:32 pm »

I don't believe calamitas' claim. He can be random or sa can be framed. Though there was no qh so one of them is scum. Funny if Calamitas is tandom, pointed another scum and sa is scum too. I can't make reads today unfortunately but I'm inclined to believe calamitas being a tracker

I don't follow your argument about one of us having to be scum at all. I think it's feasible for Calamitas to be a tracker, though it's convenient for him that his claimed N1 result is unverifiable.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1039 on: November 21, 2016, 01:22:00 pm »

I'm not that good.  I scumslip all the time.  But this was just a town mistake. 

I do wonder why Calamitas trusted his result in this case, though. SA could have a framed modifier or have been framed by the JOAT, or Calamitas could have the random modifier.  If SA is framed, Calamitas could still have the Weak modifier since they would actually be town.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1040 on: November 21, 2016, 01:23:51 pm »

I think vote: Calamitas, since he seems to have understood just how hidden the modifiers were yet presented his finding as though it were fact.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1041 on: November 21, 2016, 01:24:38 pm »

I'm not that good.  I scumslip all the time.  But this was just a town mistake. 

I do wonder why Calamitas trusted his result in this case, though. SA could have a framed modifier or have been framed by the JOAT, or Calamitas could have the random modifier.  If SA is framed, Calamitas could still have the Weak modifier since they would actually be town.

I realize some of this ground has been covered already.  I'm just catching up since this latest revelation.

What joat are you talking about?... that was not a townslip. I don't believe you :p
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1042 on: November 21, 2016, 01:26:37 pm »

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
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« Reply #1043 on: November 21, 2016, 01:30:10 pm »

I think vote: Calamitas, since he seems to have understood just how hidden the modifiers were yet presented his finding as though it were fact.

Who do you see Calamitas being in a scum pairing with?
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« Reply #1044 on: November 21, 2016, 01:30:38 pm »

So why does scum!Calamitas lie now? 

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« Reply #1045 on: November 21, 2016, 01:31:03 pm »

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
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« Reply #1046 on: November 21, 2016, 01:31:12 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
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« Reply #1047 on: November 21, 2016, 01:32:05 pm »

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
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« Reply #1048 on: November 21, 2016, 01:32:48 pm »

So.

Town on SA though they're very dangerous. But who's not here?
There can't be robz/EFHW pairing or we'd see a qh.

Let's vote: Calamitas
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« Reply #1049 on: November 21, 2016, 01:34:54 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
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« Reply #1050 on: November 21, 2016, 01:36:26 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?

Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1051 on: November 21, 2016, 01:36:58 pm »

Vote: Calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1052 on: November 21, 2016, 01:37:13 pm »

@Robz.

If you're scum you win.
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Nowhere to run yet.

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No need to run. Never mind
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« Reply #1053 on: November 21, 2016, 01:37:23 pm »

Actually unvote
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« Reply #1054 on: November 21, 2016, 01:38:13 pm »

Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?

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« Reply #1055 on: November 21, 2016, 01:38:51 pm »

We need to talk this thru a bit more, LaLight. We'll lynch Calamitas, he'll flip scum, and then either you or I will die.

Don't you think we should make sure we are sure about the partner first?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1056 on: November 21, 2016, 01:39:09 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?

I can do numbers later, but I have to go right now. I'll be back around 4.30pm forum time, plus or minus half an hour.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1057 on: November 21, 2016, 01:39:34 pm »

I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1058 on: November 21, 2016, 01:40:20 pm »

Actually unvote

Nice one. Though if you're scum i hate you for this :)

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« Reply #1059 on: November 21, 2016, 01:41:09 pm »

I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.

I agree.

Also calamitas was not qh'd by anyone so he's conf!scum

Or sa named the time to qh.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1060 on: November 21, 2016, 01:43:16 pm »

I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.

I agree.

Also calamitas was not qh'd by anyone so he's conf!scum

Or sa named the time to qh.

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« Reply #1061 on: November 21, 2016, 01:44:06 pm »

I'm inclined to still say it's EFHW, but if you strongly disagree, LaLight, we should discuss that.

I agree.

Also calamitas was not qh'd by anyone so he's conf!scum

Or sa named the time to qh.

You agree its EFHW, or you agree we should discuss it?

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1062 on: November 21, 2016, 01:44:59 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?
I am positive that there are two modifiers of the {Random, Weak} variety. There are 72 possible combinations how those might be distributed among us. The only combinations that inflict my result are "I'm random" and "SA is random/weak(with 2/3 probability inflicting)". So there are 8 combinations where i'm random and there are 8 combinations where SA is random/weak. Since weak only accounts for 2/3 chance of inflicting this counts as 7. Then you have to discard the possibility that we both are affected since that case has been taken into account already before. So 14/72~1/5 of being affected by modifiers. Good enough for me here.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1063 on: November 21, 2016, 01:46:12 pm »

Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?

vote: SA
I'm assuming the scum wincon is controlling half of town. I can't think of any way scum could get killed at night by town.

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« Reply #1064 on: November 21, 2016, 01:47:51 pm »

Please everyone stop PPEing, just do a new post quoting what you mean, it's so confusing.
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« Reply #1065 on: November 21, 2016, 01:48:41 pm »

Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?

vote: SA
I'm assuming the scum wincon is controlling half of town. I can't think of any way scum could get killed at night by town.

PPE: Lalight - right, I missed the Calamitas/SA possibility. 
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And I'm megabuddying him btw.
Yes, Calamitas/EFHW suits me.
Don't think we need to discuss more.
I'm already voting Calamitas.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1066 on: November 21, 2016, 01:49:44 pm »

Yeah, if SA was town, wouldn't they be quickhammered now?

vote: SA
I'm assuming the scum wincon is controlling half of town. I can't think of any way scum could get killed at night by town.

PPE: Lalight - right, I missed the Calamitas/SA possibility. 
PPE: Robz is mega buddying Lalight.

LaLight is town. If he's not, GG. You have to make calls at the end, and it's call-making time. And also, you are implicitly doing the same thing, because you know LL is town too, albeit for different reasons.
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« Reply #1067 on: November 21, 2016, 01:54:33 pm »

You are doing a grave mistake here.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1068 on: November 21, 2016, 01:54:41 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?

Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip?  Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.

You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town.  I would like to assume that.  But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me?  I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.
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« Reply #1069 on: November 21, 2016, 01:55:01 pm »

I agree with Calamitas. 
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1070 on: November 21, 2016, 01:56:28 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?

Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip?  Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.

You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town.  I would like to assume that.  But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me?  I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.

Scum can not affect any results. They have Roleblocker/Goon or two goons.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1071 on: November 21, 2016, 02:01:10 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?

Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip?  Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.

You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town.  I would like to assume that.  But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me?  I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.

Why don't you assume it's Robz?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1072 on: November 21, 2016, 02:06:04 pm »

I don't think Calamitas is scum because he wasn't quickhammered. Was there even opportunity for a quickhammer? He's scum because there's no realistic combination of players who could be partners that excludes him, and also, his claim makes him seem like scum (barring some complicated scenarios).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1073 on: November 21, 2016, 02:07:01 pm »

In case that was confusing, Calamitas is scum, but I don't think the quickhammer argument is the greatest reason.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1074 on: November 21, 2016, 02:11:29 pm »

In case that was confusing, Calamitas is scum, but I don't think the quickhammer argument is the greatest reason.

you're wrong.

Sa wasn't qh'd which means possible pairs are:

Calamitas/SA
Calamitas/EFHW
Calamitas/Robz
Calamitas/Me
SA/EFHW
SA/Robz
SA/me

Then I voted for Calamitas. He wasn't qh'd which means possible pairs are:
Calamitas/SA
Calamitas/EFHW
Calamitas/Robz
Calamitas/Me
Me/EFHW
Me/SA
Me/Robz.

The only pairs that are similar in both situations include Calamitas.
He wasn't qh'd=conf!scum.

Oh, and Also SA/Me pair can work. This is not the case though.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1075 on: November 21, 2016, 02:12:37 pm »

The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
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« Reply #1076 on: November 21, 2016, 02:12:48 pm »

The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.
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« Reply #1077 on: November 21, 2016, 02:14:47 pm »

The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.

No. One of scum could "agree" with me and vote you and the other would be able to finish in some time. If scum made a good post about why they think you're scum I wouldn't unvote because why should I?
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« Reply #1078 on: November 21, 2016, 02:16:15 pm »

Okay let me look back, I may have missed some stuff.
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« Reply #1079 on: November 21, 2016, 02:19:28 pm »

The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.

No. One of scum could "agree" with me and vote you and the other would be able to finish in some time. If scum made a good post about why they think you're scum I wouldn't unvote because why should I?
Because there is no need to end this quickly end putting someone on L-1 at LyLo is god damn risky?
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« Reply #1080 on: November 21, 2016, 02:21:00 pm »

The quickhammer argument is bad, you're only and fully able to unvote in case.

No. One of scum could "agree" with me and vote you and the other would be able to finish in some time. If scum made a good post about why they think you're scum I wouldn't unvote because why should I?
Because there is no need to end this quickly end putting someone on L-1 at LyLo is god damn risky?

Not for scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1081 on: November 21, 2016, 02:26:40 pm »

LaLight is right, I forgot that Calamitas had actually voted for Space, not just put his name forward. Calamitas is 100% scum.
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« Reply #1082 on: November 21, 2016, 02:27:28 pm »

LaLight is right, I forgot that Calamitas had actually voted for Space, not just put his name forward. Calamitas is 100% scum.
Why should that even matter?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1083 on: November 21, 2016, 02:36:42 pm »

Actually, well, I guess Calamitas is right: he's saying the scum didn't quickhammer Space because Space is one of them.

But LL is saying LL voted Calamitas, and scum did not quickhammer, which either means LL is scum or Calamitas is.

So for Calamitas, the scum!team has to be LL/Space. Which he hasn't even acted on, I don't think... because it's not true and Calamitas is the scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1084 on: November 21, 2016, 02:38:48 pm »

Endgame is so exciting! Um, I would like to hear from Space again, so let's not do anything until he comes back.
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« Reply #1085 on: November 21, 2016, 02:38:58 pm »

By anything, I mean lynch.
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« Reply #1086 on: November 21, 2016, 02:45:14 pm »

Endgame is so exciting! Um, I would like to hear from Space again, so let's not do anything until they comes back.

Ftfy and please, mind the wording.
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« Reply #1087 on: November 21, 2016, 02:48:09 pm »

Endgame is so exciting! Um, I would like to hear from Space again, so let's not do anything until they comes back.

Ftfy and please, mind the wording.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1088 on: November 21, 2016, 03:51:09 pm »

so, I'm off to bed.

SA, it's obvious Calamitas is scum because it's not me and you.
Robz, don't change your mind please.
EFHW and Calamitas, I hope you are scum, scummy scum :P

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« Reply #1089 on: November 21, 2016, 04:09:22 pm »

Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.
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« Reply #1090 on: November 21, 2016, 04:36:34 pm »

Back now, but I see we've just lost LL to sleep! Sorry.. I had a rehearsal for a gig on Saturday.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1091 on: November 21, 2016, 05:01:09 pm »

Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.

I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.

If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
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« Reply #1092 on: November 21, 2016, 05:04:03 pm »

Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.

I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.

If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
You are scum and I am definitely not going to vote for anyone else today. The evidence is just way too strong to discard. Except someone scum slips really hard, consider this vote locked.
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« Reply #1093 on: November 21, 2016, 05:20:17 pm »

Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.

I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.

If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
You are scum and I am definitely not going to vote for anyone else today. The evidence is just way too strong to discard. Except someone scum slips really hard, consider this vote locked.

This feels really wrong... if you're townie you've totally thrown the game away for us.

Robz and LL are acting like buddies in a way that has me really concerned.. I'm just wondering if there's any possible way they could be a scum-pair that's playing some wifomy game instead of just quick-hammering me. I think it's reasonably unlikely, but I'm feeling so paranoid!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1094 on: November 21, 2016, 05:45:01 pm »

vote: Calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1095 on: November 21, 2016, 05:47:03 pm »

Again, you're making a grave mistake here. Space is the scum here and now the road is open for quickhammers except LaLight himself is scum. If I survive this night I'm positive they are forming the team.

I'm actually definitely not scum, and I'm trying to work out what possible trap I could have fallen into that means hammering you is at all bad. I think the fact I'm still alive means that you must be scum, because otherwise the two actual scum would have jumped by now.

If there's any possible outside chance you're town, would you mind unvoting so we can puzzle things out some more?
You are scum and I am definitely not going to vote for anyone else today. The evidence is just way too strong to discard. Except someone scum slips really hard, consider this vote locked.

This feels really wrong... if you're townie you've totally thrown the game away for us.

Robz and LL are acting like buddies in a way that has me really concerned.. I'm just wondering if there's any possible way they could be a scum-pair that's playing some wifomy game instead of just quick-hammering me. I think it's reasonably unlikely, but I'm feeling so paranoid!

Space, don't be paranoid, take a deep breath. Calamitas IS scum. And you, of all people, must know that for sure, because if he wasn't scum and you weren't scum, you would have been quickhammered by now. Cal has had that vote on you sitting there all day.

I see some aversion to end-of-game buddying, which I understand, but like, that's a natural result of figuring stuff out.

The concern that LL and I have is Cal did a fakeclaim on you to make it seem like you are town after he flips scum. Is there anything you can say to dispel this?
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« Reply #1096 on: November 21, 2016, 05:48:42 pm »

I intend to hammer Calamitas, but first, Space, can you answer my question?
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« Reply #1097 on: November 21, 2016, 06:06:43 pm »

The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.
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« Reply #1098 on: November 21, 2016, 06:09:40 pm »

The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.

Sorry.. my business partner is sending me FB screenshots of a talk he's preparing for possible investors tomorrow, so I'm quite distracted, but trying work things out!
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« Reply #1099 on: November 21, 2016, 06:12:41 pm »

The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.

Sorry.. my business partner is sending me FB screenshots of a talk he's preparing for possible investors tomorrow, so I'm quite distracted, but trying work things out!

Excuses, excuses! Just kidding, that obviously sounds quite serious.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1100 on: November 21, 2016, 06:42:52 pm »

The silence is not comforting, given that you are indeed online.

Sorry.. my business partner is sending me FB screenshots of a talk he's preparing for possible investors tomorrow, so I'm quite distracted, but trying work things out!

Excuses, excuses! Just kidding, that obviously sounds quite serious.

Actually, the FB chat noise is driving me nuts, but I think the deluge has finally ended :-)

Huh.. famous last words. And while I have a mute button, it doesn't stop him expecting replies from me!

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1101 on: November 21, 2016, 07:54:12 pm »

I intend to hammer Calamitas, but first, Space, can you answer my question?

Hmm.. your question was whether I had anything to say that reassures you that Calamitas isn't fake-claiming on me to set me up as IC for the final lylo. The best I've got is the complete voting history for D2... while it's bad in that I didn't vote for EFHW (who I now think must be conf-scum-Calamitas's buddy), I don't really see any good reason why scum!Calamitas or scum!me wouldn't have hammered EFHW if we were scum together. As it is, Calamitas was resisting because she's his buddy, and I was resisting because I didn't feel she was that scummy at first, and then because I was away since I'd thought the deadline was Sunday and I had a busy weekend.

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#624
Not Voting: LaLight, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, EFHW, Space, e

#634
Robz: EFHW
Not Voting: LaLight, Jake, Calamitas, Robz, Space, e

#653
Robz: EFHW
Calamitas: Jake
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Robz, Space, e

#653
Calamitas: Jake
Jake: EFHW
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Robz, Space, e

#665
Calamitas: Jake
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Space, e

#668
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake
Not Voting: LaLight, Calamitas, Space, e

#675
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e

#750
Jake: EFHW, LL
EFHW: Robz, Jake
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e

#781
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e, LL

#782
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e

#784
Jake: EFHW
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
LL: e
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space

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EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
LL: e, EFHW
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space

#823
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
LL: EFHW
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e

#826
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, e, EFHW

#833
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e
Not Voting: Calamitas, Space, EFHW

#836
EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Not Voting: Space, EFHW

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EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Calamitas: EFHW
Not Voting: Space

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EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Robz: EFHW
Not Voting: Space

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EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas, EFHW {L-1}
Not Voting: Space

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EFHW: Robz, Jake, LL {L-1}
Jake: e, Calamitas
Not Voting: Space, EFHW

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EFHW: Jake, LL
Jake: e, Calamitas, Robz {L-1}
Not Voting: Space, EFHW

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EFHW: Jake
Jake: e, Calamitas, Robz, LL {lynched}
Not Voting: Space, EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1102 on: November 21, 2016, 10:39:26 pm »

Why would scum!Calamitas put out a fake result?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1103 on: November 21, 2016, 10:47:44 pm »

His reasoning for tracking SA makes sense. I realize my agreeing with him makes him look more suspicious to you, but I don't know what else to do.

Lalight tempting quickhammers was reckless.

We're likely going to lose the game when Robz hammers, so can you hold off on that a bit, please?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1104 on: November 21, 2016, 11:08:40 pm »

This "why did I trust my result" is just insane. I'm not a 100% positive SA his scum but the evidence I have is so strong that any other vote would be insensible.
So how do we calculate the odds that town!Calamitas's finding was affected by a modifier/scum action vs. being the truth?

Stop townslipping :p
I don't know. Highly probable.
How was that a townslip?  Calamitas calculates it at 1/5.

You say Calamitas is confirmed scum because you voted him and he wasn't quick hammered. That assumes you are town.  I would like to assume that.  But why would scum!Calamitas and scum!SA try to pull this off when they could just mislynch me?  I realize you have to assume I'm town to find that reasoning persuasive, but it is a stumbling block for me.

Scum can not affect any results. They have Roleblocker/Goon or two goons.
You realize they have a JOAT, right? And one of the powers is framer.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1105 on: November 21, 2016, 11:11:18 pm »

Eh, I'm not going to let EFHW try to wriggle out of this. Vote: calamitas
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1106 on: November 21, 2016, 11:14:42 pm »

I hope I am wrong.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1107 on: November 22, 2016, 12:11:48 am »

well, I'm awake and looks like we will wait for this flip till Sunday? :)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1108 on: November 22, 2016, 12:32:40 am »

I can see GKrieg on forums though :P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1109 on: November 22, 2016, 12:34:45 am »

Calamitas has been lynched!  I'm not at a computer so I can't do the vote count right now so just use your imagination. They were lynched by LaLight, SA, and Robz.

They were Lena Smith, the Goon

Night 3 begins now and ends in 36 to 48 hours. Deadline for actions is 36 hours from now.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Night 3)
« Reply #1110 on: November 25, 2016, 10:09:58 am »

Henry had his sights set on a new target. On Auggie Anderson. And just like that, he was dead.

LaLight has died in the night. They were Auggie Anderson, the Vanilla Agent.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1111 on: November 25, 2016, 11:01:26 am »

Welp, here we are. I'm still inclined to say the partner is EFHW, but I suppose she deserved the opportunity to make her case.

If it's Space, then Calamitas's gambit will have really paid off, and I can't shake this sinking feeling that Thad exactly what's happened, but I don't think I can let that override my multi day suspicion of EFHW.

Those are my thoughts. Really hate being in this situation with so much riding on my choice. I think I have a pretty bad LYLO record.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1112 on: November 25, 2016, 02:41:07 pm »

Yeah, I agree that EFHW is the likely partner, but I'm happy to hear her case before a lynch too, since Robz-Calamitas looked like a reasonably-high-likelihood pairing for me earlier in the game. I'm also going to re-read a bunch before placing my vote.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1113 on: November 25, 2016, 03:47:13 pm »

Well, I have no idea which of you it is. I have so much OMGUS because of Robz's persistent scum reading of me, but I would have expected him to leave Lalight alive since they were such close anti-EFHW buddies.

On the other hand, there is a scum case to make on Space where there really wasn't on Lalight. So Robz can seem the tortured town. 

Scum!me would have killed Robz, you can be sure of that.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1114 on: November 25, 2016, 03:54:18 pm »

Regarding a case in my defense, the earliest argument against me was that I was a vet and therefore would have the experience to play scum undetected.  That theory does not differentiate me from Robz.

The latest argument I assume would be my defense of Calamitas, which was obviously a mistake.  I really couldn't see a scum motive for making that fake claim.  I guess they must have felt they were in a worse position than it seemed to me.

It seems like there was another theory in there somewhere - I guess my mysterious scum read on faust seemed fishy?  I really thought he might be scum, and keeping him off balance seemed like a good plan.

I'll have to look back to see if there was anything more. Feel free to refresh my memory as well.
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« Reply #1115 on: November 25, 2016, 03:56:33 pm »

Scum!me would have killed Robz, you can be sure of that.

I don't believe that for a minute. Even aside from considerable WIFOM (if you know what scum!you would do, you could just do the opposite as scum, in order to make that argument), killing me was too great a risk. If you had killed me instead of LaLight, LL would have known that my scum read on you was genuine, since I was confirmed town. You would have gotten lynched for sure.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1116 on: November 25, 2016, 03:59:23 pm »

And EFHW, I'm really not even interested in hearing your defense. If you are town, I'm telling you, the only way we win this is for you to convince me its Space. I'm going to be looking back to see if that's possible, and I'm really worried about the Calamitas gambit, but I need you to do that as well in case I missed something.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1117 on: November 25, 2016, 04:11:25 pm »

You did say I deserved the opportunity to make my case.

If you are scum, then us lynching Space is as bad as you two lynching me.

What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.
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« Reply #1118 on: November 25, 2016, 04:42:14 pm »

What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.

That's what scum!EFHW needs to do, sure. You sort of gave yourself away there, eh?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1119 on: November 25, 2016, 05:46:13 pm »

What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.

That's what scum!EFHW needs to do, sure. You sort of gave yourself away there, eh?

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1120 on: November 25, 2016, 06:09:28 pm »

What I need to do is convince Space I'm town.

Nope, I need earlier-game evidence on each of you being scum, really, not lots of "look how townie I am" new content now. I'm leaning towards you being scum on voting history alone. Can you show me anything that might make me think Robz is scummier?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1121 on: November 25, 2016, 07:11:40 pm »

Argh. I started re-reading Space just to doublecheck, and there's actually something pretty unsettling from Day 1.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1122 on: November 25, 2016, 07:31:38 pm »

So, this is mid Day 1, from Space.

Makin' reads known :-)
   
LaLight -- Grumpier than usual? Though I love his UniverseAnemone thing, and I'm totally using that as a sig once this game is over :-) Null for now.
RoadRunner -- Sparking off Jake rather too much. I'm slightly suspicious of how he's saying 4 days is a long time, when gameplay in here is practically nonexistent. Nullish-to-mild-scum.
faust -- Seems to be posting lots of game-driving stuff, actually.. more than I'd noticed till I did a specific re-read. Feeling townie for the moment.
JakeTheBaseballGod22 -- Noisy. Faust said the care-free attitude would be hard for him to fake as scum, but I'm not so sure. Would be happy to lynch if it comes down to that.
Calamitas -- Suspiciously quiet. Really sucks at pronouns. Would consider voting for him as things stand.
Robz888 -- Scary old vet, but doesn't seem scum-scary so far. Wouldn't vote.
EFHW -- Much the same as Robz, though I'm also enjoying her stringing-along of faust, so not interesting in lynching for now, in spite of the fact I appear to be RVSing her still...
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaace!
e -- Looking a bit green :-)
gkrieg -- Scummy as always!

Vote: Calamitas

Space puts a vote on Calamitas. I'm already voting Cal for lurking, and faust is voting as well. This doesn't tell us all that much.

Faust unvotes, votes, and unvotes Calamitas, and then others join the wagon and it's pretty legitimately happening that Calamitas could be the lynch. And then there's this:

Unofficial Space-Count

Jake (3): Roadrunner, EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (4): Robz, SpaceAnemone, LL, Jake {L-1}
RR (1): faust

Not Voting (1): e

So Calamitas is actually L-1. This is the very next post:

Bad wagon is bad.

Let's lynch SpaceAnemone or RR.

Or try something else :-)

Vote: faust

So it looks like Space, sensing the real danger Space's partner was in, tried to defuse the wagon. But this was done in an obviously scummy way, and so what actually happened is that everyone deserted the wagon and turned on Space. Shortly after this, the votes looked like this:

Vote Count 1.4

Jake (2): EFHW, Calamitas
Calamitas (1): LaLight
faust (2): SpaceAnemone, Roadrunner
SpaceAnemone (3): Robz, faust, Jake

Not Voting (1): e


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday Nov 10 at 11 am

Faust then became the leading non-Space candidate, and claimed Tracker. This caused that wagon to go away, and E put Space to L-1.

Calamitas is absent this entire time. The only thing we get from Calamitas is this:

I don't have the time to reread until deadline and no real preferences. Will vote for everyone if required when I get online again (about an hour before deadline).

That came right after the vote count. Calamitas had a great opportunity to preserve himself and join the Space wagon; he did not. To my mind, this is the exact course of action I would expect if Space was Calm's partner.

Take a look at this, please, EFHW.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1123 on: November 25, 2016, 07:32:27 pm »

And now I'll have to see if the same is true for EFHW, and it actually sort of looks like it, from a cursory scanning of the vote counts.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1124 on: November 25, 2016, 08:12:17 pm »

By the way if I am wrong about this please please please point out what I missed, Space. I can basically feel the Spec QT being like "WTF are you doing Robz, just lynch EFHW."
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1125 on: November 26, 2016, 04:33:27 am »

I'm actually vla in Switzerland right now. Should have a chance to post in about 6 hours.
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« Reply #1126 on: November 26, 2016, 09:06:56 am »

By the way if I am wrong about this please please please point out what I missed, Space. I can basically feel the Spec QT being like "WTF are you doing Robz, just lynch EFHW."

And the reason I don't just vote EFHW straight away is that I don't like the degree to which you seem so self-conscious and conversation-steery.

I've got a gig coming up in an hour or so, and then another tonight, so I'm stuck phone posting for the day.. big re-reads tomorrow.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1127 on: November 26, 2016, 09:18:00 am »

Ok, Robz, reread from SA's reads list through RR's lynch, and the sections you mention do read well as them being Calamitas's partner.  More than once they seem to chide him for lurking, as a partner might.  And there is that leap off the Calamitas wagon. But then there are several towny posts, including their explanation for getting off the Calamitas wagon. I bolded the parts that strike me as towny.  Before you tell me those can be faked, I am aware of that.  But they do kind of add up.

OMGUS is bad, covering for it with a smiley face is worse, also directly contradicts his recent stance. And voting faust is not a good idea.

"his recent stance" -- TBH, I'm not actually the most unhappy mislynch in this game just now.

I wasn't really feeling good about the Calamitas wagon. He's young, and he's an overachiever with a perfect record, so my bet is that he's afraid of making mistakes that will blemish that (or just look retrospectively stupid) when D1 is so short on actual evidence.

I re-read faust, including all the posts he's made since my reads-list post (which is like 40, so not an insubstantial body in itself), and I do think he's come off as the scummier looking of the pair of him and EFHW. And all the game-pushing stuff is actually really easy to fake as scum. So he seemed an interesting choice to switch to at a point this evening where I could keep an eye on the game and jump off if the wagon if it ran too fast.

Of course, I'd expected scums to maybe join the wagon on faust (particularly since EFHW was pushing him earlier) rather than jump to me, but hey, this works too.

I use smilies often.. people just have to get over it.
I mean, I also don't really like the way Space-A is playing this. Far too calm for someone at L-1 and about to be lynched.

There's an argument in my head that says I'm better off getting lynched because otherwise you may waste a tracker shot on me, and it's useless.

Obviously, it's better to take out scum now if we can, but it looks like that's going to be tricky to do..
I'm not voting for myself  :P
No lynch is better for town than a VT misslynch.

No.

Want me to self-hammer to avoid a no-lynch? It seems kind of stupid, but it's trendy in some circles :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1128 on: November 26, 2016, 09:19:03 am »

I did also notice that Space seems very aware of Calamitas' life.  His exam, and when he said he would be back.  The info was there for all of us to see, but they seemed really on top of it.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1129 on: November 26, 2016, 09:23:04 am »

Townpoints to Robz for his vote for SA right after she jumped off the Calamitas wagon.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1130 on: November 26, 2016, 09:23:42 am »

Townpoints to Robz for his vote for SA right after they jumped off the Calamitas wagon.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1131 on: November 27, 2016, 02:16:16 pm »

Sorry for the delay! I'll stay here thinking about stuff till I cast an actual vote now.

Firstly, I've been looking more at the early game, around the Calamitas L-1 wagon in D1.

#243: Robz votes Calamitas for lurking.
#254: I join the wagon after my first reads of everyone picked him and RR up as the only two seeming mildly scummy.
#263: EFHW, who had been voting faust, moves to Jake, putting him at L-1.
#264: faust joins the Calamitas wagon.
#271-276: Awkward exchange between faust and Calamitas.
#301: LL joins the Calamitas wagon, putting him up to L-1.

The four of us stay voting for Calamitas for 20 posts, when LL unvotes following e's observation that he's L-1'd both Jake and Calamitas at #319.

Robz makes three posts in a row at #315-317 where he could have engineered a switch away from Calamitas, but in #317 he actually says Calamitas is still reading scummy to him. I think that would be pretty heavy early bussing with little to go on if he was actually Calamitas's partner. Meanwhile, EFHW just sat on Jake's wagon for the whole of the rest of D1.

If I read with an element of confirmation bias, it wouldn't be hard to interpret Calamitas's odd conversation with faust in the middle there as him attempting to add another voice to EFHW's case against faust. But I'm trying to do an unbiased read for the moment :-P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1132 on: November 27, 2016, 02:25:49 pm »

I did also notice that Space seems very aware of Calamitas' life.  His exam, and when he said he would be back.  The info was there for all of us to see, but they seemed really on top of it.
Why wouldn't you pay attention to the actual people we're playing with? I would try to do the same with little personal facts from anyone, I think. You give away surprisingly little, though.. not sure if that's because you're more private as an individual, or more guarded as scum. I should read more of the old games, I guess.. but I don't have time to do that right now.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1133 on: November 27, 2016, 02:52:30 pm »

Robz, the stuff you're quoting above about the Calamitas wagon in D1 focuses only on the short second stint Calamitas had at L-1, after faust had moved away to RR, and Jake had jumped onto Calamitas instead.

The conversation running up to me jumping to faust was a bit tedious, and it didn't feel like the Calamitas wagon was exactly gaining traction, so I tried a new tactic with faust, who was already suggesting lynching me. I explained what I was up to back at #456, too. Of course, I had no idea faust was the tracker, and I didn't expect him to claim with so few votes on :-( I was online and keeping an eye on things actively, since I was home sick with tonsillitis -- there are several posts there that show I was around.

During Calamitas's first stint at L-1, neither of us moved away till LL had unvoted. You and I had both posted in that time, so we were clearly both around and able to divert our votes if we'd wanted to. If I'd had a scum-partner motivation to move my vote the second time he got to L-1, I should have done so first time his wagon reached that point, too, really, and you can see that I didn't.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1134 on: November 27, 2016, 03:52:23 pm »

Now for D2 considerations.

The fact that I was hesitant about the EFHW lynch and let her sit at L-1 for ages is unfortunate if she is scum. However, I think it's a non-partner tell for Robz, as far as me and Calamitas being potential scumbuddies goes, since if we were the scum pair there's no reason for one of us not to have hammered EFHW. Note that while I was away at the deadline (because I'd read the "Sunday" rather than the "19th" part of gkrieg's deadline text), and I was definitely there and able to hammer up till almost #900, and EFHW had been on L-1 since #782.

It also makes Robz look townier to me, because a Robz-Calamitas scum-pair would also have been pretty happy with an EFHW mislynch, so Calamitas would presumably have hammered in that situation, even though it was Robz's wagon.


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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1135 on: November 27, 2016, 04:00:19 pm »

I think that's enough of a case now that today's re-reading can stop.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1136 on: November 27, 2016, 04:12:53 pm »

Townpoints to Robz for his vote for SA right after they jumped off the Calamitas wagon.
ftfm, sorry

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1137 on: November 27, 2016, 04:24:14 pm »

You make good points, SA, but wrong conclusion!  There's no chance of town winning unless I vote: Space. If Robz is scum, this doesn't help him because he's already won.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1138 on: November 27, 2016, 04:25:20 pm »

Coming home from airport right now, more later.
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« Reply #1139 on: November 27, 2016, 04:45:01 pm »

Vote: EFHW
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« Reply #1140 on: November 27, 2016, 05:06:37 pm »

Damn
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« Reply #1141 on: November 27, 2016, 05:07:08 pm »

Can't wait to find out which of you was the scum.
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« Reply #1142 on: November 27, 2016, 05:08:48 pm »

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« Reply #1143 on: November 27, 2016, 05:57:37 pm »

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« Reply #1144 on: November 27, 2016, 06:06:38 pm »

it was over. Henry and Lena had won.

EFHW has been lynched! 

The scum team of Robz888 and Calamitas has won!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1146 on: November 27, 2016, 06:16:51 pm »

Good game, everybody! Pretty cool to go to LYLO as scum in just my second game since my return. Cool, and nerve-wracking!

Was really glad that Calamitas understood the setup well, I was totally lost on that front.
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« Reply #1147 on: November 27, 2016, 06:20:28 pm »

Just read speccy QT, wow! None of you suspected me?
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« Reply #1148 on: November 27, 2016, 06:34:34 pm »

I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.


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« Reply #1149 on: November 27, 2016, 06:37:09 pm »

I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.


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« Reply #1150 on: November 27, 2016, 06:39:47 pm »

I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.


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Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
The second-last day went even better than hoped for. Space questioned me really hard on my claim (as scum!SA would have done there) and efhw defended me (since scum!efhw would have been the likely target after my lynch she would have needed to ensure I was believed) :D
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« Reply #1151 on: November 27, 2016, 06:41:32 pm »

Calamitas, you are scary! Well played!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1152 on: November 27, 2016, 06:42:37 pm »

Calamitas, you are scary! Well played!
Why? :D (Referencing the first part :P)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1153 on: November 27, 2016, 06:51:50 pm »

I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.


@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P

Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
The second-last day went even better than hoped for. Space questioned me really hard on my claim (as scum!SA would have done there) and efhw defended me (since scum!efhw would have been the likely target after my lynch she would have needed to ensure I was believed) :D

Haha.. I didn't really think about it looking scummy to question your claim. I was more worried about the possibility of town!you having made a mistake, and wanting confirmation that you understood the consequences before agreeing to jump in and lynch you.

From now on, I'll just have to assume that you don't make mistakes, so every little suspicious thing you do is deliberate and scum-motivated ;-)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1154 on: November 27, 2016, 07:06:33 pm »

I told you the plan would work :-)
Flawless execution though, great job robz.


@town: Reading mafia-qt is really recommendable here :P

Yeah! I still doubted you, lol, up until this final day really got going, I thought people were going to realize, "wait, Robz is still alive, he is always scum, what are we doing" right until it became clear that EFHW and Space weren't going to do that. B
The second-last day went even better than hoped for. Space questioned me really hard on my claim (as scum!SA would have done there) and efhw defended me (since scum!efhw would have been the likely target after my lynch she would have needed to ensure I was believed) :D

Haha.. I didn't really think about it looking scummy to question your claim. I was more worried about the possibility of town!you having made a mistake, and wanting confirmation that you understood the consequences before agreeing to jump in and lynch you.

From now on, I'll just have to assume that you don't make mistakes, so every little suspicious thing you do is deliberate and scum-motivated ;-)
And I will work with that conclusion in my next scum game :P
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1155 on: November 27, 2016, 07:57:55 pm »

Wow good job scum I never even suspected ethier of you as scum. I guess I just got schooled on how to play as scum
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1156 on: November 27, 2016, 08:59:05 pm »

@robz Why did you choose to kill LaLight over no-kill in the last night?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1157 on: November 27, 2016, 11:10:42 pm »

Was one of you a RoleBlocker?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1158 on: November 28, 2016, 12:22:21 am »

Oh, I see. As you, Robz, wrote in one of your posts in Mafia QT the longer I thought about it the more I got sure you're scum. So if you let me live, things could go the other way around :)

Good game everyone!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1159 on: November 28, 2016, 12:22:32 am »

Was one of you a RoleBlocker?

No, there wasn't one
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1160 on: November 28, 2016, 12:39:58 am »

But I saved Faust N-1
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1161 on: November 28, 2016, 12:40:26 am »

But I saved Faust N-1
And he died anyway so why did he not live then
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1162 on: November 28, 2016, 12:41:52 am »

We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1163 on: November 28, 2016, 12:42:08 am »

But I saved Faust N-1
And he died anyway so why did he not live then

Robz used a Strongman shot

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1164 on: November 28, 2016, 12:43:22 am »

I'm glad scum won this one. I feel like the setup is more balanced in this iteration than the previous iterations.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1165 on: November 28, 2016, 12:44:23 am »

We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
Why would you use it on me
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1166 on: November 28, 2016, 12:47:03 am »

Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1167 on: November 28, 2016, 12:49:50 am »

Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
I vote robz because robz played scum so well by staying under the raidar the whole game as well as finding the Pr's and lynching them (ME) and using his powers well
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1168 on: November 28, 2016, 12:51:00 am »

Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
I vote robz because robz played scum so well by staying under the raidar the whole game as well as finding the Pr's and lynching them (ME) and using Hispowers well
Not sure so maybe His/her/they
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1169 on: November 28, 2016, 01:01:13 am »

We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
Why would you use it on me

You misinterpreting how strongman works. They didn't use it on you, they used it on Faust.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1170 on: November 28, 2016, 01:03:07 am »

Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
Was I?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1171 on: November 28, 2016, 01:05:14 am »

We used the strongman shot there (pentrates your doc protetion)
Why would you use it on me

You misinterpreting how strongman works. They didn't use it on you, they used it on Faust.
Oh
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1172 on: November 28, 2016, 01:06:51 am »

We obviously knew there would be a doc and the claimed tracker has been a likely target. So we decided to use it N1 to ensure fausts death.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1173 on: November 28, 2016, 01:08:50 am »

Man I'm off to a bad mafia start now 0-2
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1174 on: November 28, 2016, 06:47:33 am »

Also the MVP is harder than I thought on this one. Calamitas was a good mastermind, but Robz was almost never thought of as scum. Even in the speccy no one thought he could possibly be the scum.
just lonely me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1175 on: November 28, 2016, 06:49:21 am »

Wow good job scum I never even suspected ethier of you as scum. I guess I just got schooled on how to play as scum
Yes you did. You spent much of Day 2 suspecting Calamitas, or were none of your accusations actually your opinions?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1176 on: November 28, 2016, 06:53:32 am »

Sorry if I sound pissed. This was a frustrating game.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1177 on: November 28, 2016, 06:56:05 am »

I'm glad scum won this one. I feel like the setup is more balanced in this iteration than the previous iterations.
I think telling the mafia the roles was too powerful, especially given that town didn't know their own modifiers.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1178 on: November 28, 2016, 07:03:14 am »

That was pretty well faught. Double LyLo is tough. I probably would've tried to lynch SA here, so well played Robz.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1179 on: November 28, 2016, 07:17:35 am »

It didn't affect the game, but I also strongly disagree with giving mafia the town role pms.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1180 on: November 28, 2016, 07:18:32 am »

It didn't affect the game, but I also strongly disagree with giving mafia the town role pms.
especially on request and without telling town.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1181 on: November 28, 2016, 07:21:44 am »

Telling town would have been an enormous disadvantage. Not knowing would have been an unintended disadvantage.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1182 on: November 28, 2016, 07:37:32 am »

Sorry if I sound pissed. This was a frustrating game.

I am really sorry for this and tunneling you all the game.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1183 on: November 28, 2016, 09:21:14 am »

Sorry EFHW for pushing a completely made-up case on you all game. It was so thin.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1184 on: November 28, 2016, 09:48:24 am »

At a computer now, so can express myself better.  Robz gave a masterful performance and definitely earned MVP, imo.  While I was 97.5% sure he was scum, I had nothing to present to anyone else, and he and Calamitas also did a good job linking me to Calamitas so that I really did seem to be his partner.  Holding back from the quicklynches was what seemed to persuade SA in the end, so that worked out well, too.

I think Jake's tunneling of me played into Robz's hands and created a group impression that I was scum, even though nothing was ever presented by anyone that made any kind of case.  It was too bad e was so busy, because he could have been a balancing factor.

My defending Calamitas's fake result was definitely a mistake that inadvertently reinforced a connection between me and him.  I know I was in part reacting to Robz's position that "sometimes you just have to choose", and so I wanted to balance his scummy choosing by doing the opposite of what he did.  Turns out he DOES bus partners after all.

I'm disappointed Space couldn't see the towny motives behind my actions, but I understand how I seemed to be Calamitas's partner.  When Robz tempted me to lynch them, and I refused, I thought that could be persuasive.  Both his attempt and my refusal seemed telling to me. In the end, I voted Space in the desperate hope that I was wrong and Robz was town.

Thanks faust, for reading me correctly! You get towncred for our next game together (at least through RVS)!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1185 on: November 28, 2016, 09:52:48 am »

Telling town would have been an enormous disadvantage. Not knowing would have been an unintended disadvantage.
Scum doesn't get to have perfect knowledge, just more knowledge than town.  Already just knowing who the town are is an advantage.  Having one-sided information about the roles is an advantage.  Having no unknown negative utility modifiers to worry about is an advantage. Having the means to fakeclaim, without town knowing that, is too much, I think.  Reading the qt, it occurs to me that Robz artfully maneuvered the mod as well as the town. Part of his job, of course.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1186 on: November 28, 2016, 10:11:34 am »

I did also notice that Space seems very aware of Calamitas' life.  His exam, and when he said he would be back.  The info was there for all of us to see, but they seemed really on top of it.
Why wouldn't you pay attention to the actual people we're playing with? I would try to do the same with little personal facts from anyone, I think. You give away surprisingly little, though.. not sure if that's because you're more private as an individual, or more guarded as scum. I should read more of the old games, I guess.. but I don't have time to do that right now.
My kid, liopoil, used to play mafia quite a lot, so I got into a habit of discretion for his sake. It's probably more my nature, too.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1187 on: November 28, 2016, 10:12:42 am »

I really thought you were scum EFHW
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1188 on: November 28, 2016, 10:15:47 am »

At a computer now, so can express myself better.  Robz gave a masterful performance and definitely earned MVP, imo.  While I was 97.5% sure he was scum, I had nothing to present to anyone else, and he and Calamitas also did a good job linking me to Calamitas so that I really did seem to be his partner.  Holding back from the quicklynches was what seemed to persuade SA in the end, so that worked out well, too.

I think Jake's tunneling of me played into Robz's hands and created a group impression that I was scum, even though nothing was ever presented by anyone that made any kind of case.  It was too bad e was so busy, because he could have been a balancing factor.

My defending Calamitas's fake result was definitely a mistake that inadvertently reinforced a connection between me and him.  I know I was in part reacting to Robz's position that "sometimes you just have to choose", and so I wanted to balance his scummy choosing by doing the opposite of what he did.  Turns out he DOES bus partners after all.

I'm disappointed Space couldn't see the towny motives behind my actions, but I understand how I seemed to be Calamitas's partner.  When Robz tempted me to lynch them, and I refused, I thought that could be persuasive.  Both his attempt and my refusal seemed telling to me. In the end, I voted Space in the desperate hope that I was wrong and Robz was town.

Thanks faust, for reading me correctly! You get towncred for our next game together (at least through RVS)!
You had a good case though which is why I tunneled you
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1189 on: November 28, 2016, 10:18:24 am »

I really thought you were scum EFHW
Thing is, you rarely should be that certain about anyone.  On the other hand, if I had tunneled Robz a bit more maybe people would have listened to me.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1190 on: November 28, 2016, 10:21:23 am »

I really thought you were scum EFHW
Thing is, you rarely should be that certain about anyone.  On the other hand, if I had tunneled Robz a bit more maybe people would have listened to me.
Yaeh but I had a very good case on you and LL for the scum team and nothing on robz or calm
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1191 on: November 28, 2016, 10:23:29 am »

In regard to the mvp I would call it a pretty close call. We both played a really great game, neither of us was close to get lynched at any point. My lynch and the engame was intended and went fully according to plan, would put that evenly on both of us. Though I would gove myself the edge for my successful framing of efhw which ultimately lead SA to vote her. Though I'm probably pretty biased here, what do you think robz?
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1192 on: November 28, 2016, 10:26:37 am »

Mvp vote count

Robz (1): Jake
Calamitas (1): Calm
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1193 on: November 28, 2016, 10:27:53 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1194 on: November 28, 2016, 10:28:28 am »

I'm definitely for Robz here. I never trusted him as much as in this game, even in other games I've read. He made a HUGE work. I thought I an not even able to be more suspicious, now I understand that I have to be.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1195 on: November 28, 2016, 10:29:07 am »

In regard to the mvp I would call it a pretty close call. We both played a really great game, neither of us was close to get lynched at any point. My lynch and the engame was intended and went fully according to plan, would put that evenly on both of us. Though I would gove myself the edge for my successful framing of efhw which ultimately lead SA to vote her. Though I'm probably pretty biased here, what do you think robz?
You did play well, Calamitas.  I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1196 on: November 28, 2016, 10:29:53 am »

Mvp Vote Count 2.0

Robz (2): Jake, LL
Calamitas (1): Calm
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1197 on: November 28, 2016, 10:32:57 am »

I really thought you were scum EFHW
Thing is, you rarely should be that certain about anyone.  On the other hand, if I had tunneled Robz a bit more maybe people would have listened to me.
Yaeh but I had a very good case on you and LL for the scum team and nothing on robz or calm
I am genuinely confused.  In what way did you have a good case on me?  Even Robz admits it was really thin.  This matters for future games.  Like I said before, I think you might not be calibrated yet about what constitutes a good case.  Your argument for a me-LL partnership was ok, but even before that you kept saying you had a case against me but I could never find it.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1198 on: November 28, 2016, 10:37:49 am »

My case was the you and Ll case and I really thought that that was solid case on you for scum
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1199 on: November 28, 2016, 10:45:09 am »

My case was the you and Ll case and I really thought that that was solid case on you for scum
No, you tunneled me for a long time before you said anything about LL being my partner.  And Space before me, with no case that made sense there either. Barring blatant scumslips, it is generally not going to be easy to tell who is scum.  You have to balance your feelings of suspicion with your knowledge that 1) town can seem quite scummy and 2) scum can seem quite towny.  On the last day, Robz made a decent case against Space and Space made a decent case against me.  You can use those as markers for the strength of cases.  And remember they were both wrong!
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1200 on: November 28, 2016, 10:47:17 am »

I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1201 on: November 28, 2016, 10:57:29 am »

I completely think that EFHW is right about Jake.  His continuous tunneling (really just reiterating the fact that he was sure she was scum), was not really helpful to town.  At some point you have to realize that other townie people telling you that your case isn't really all that great means that you should look somewhere else.

In response to stuff about the setup, I think it is fine for scum to know what roles are present.  With their roles (being a goon and not a RB), they already had quite a bit of information.  I think giving scum fake claims by giving them the PMs should also be known by town.  Publishing all of the PMs before the game in a semi-open setup is more important than giving scum a copy of the PMs.  I also don't think that any part of the game should ever be decided by the wording in PMs, because I think it is the stupidest thing ever.  Obviously the mods don't ever want people to know who is town because of some way that they worded something.

I think scum played a great game.  I don't think any of it was really affected by the information that was given them.  I think the only thing that you can attribute to their extra knowledge of the setup was the faust claim.  They knew that he was the actual tracker and they needed to use strongman.  But I think you always use strongman there, even if you don't know that there is a tracker and a doctor in the setup.

MVP goes to Robz though.  The fact that really no one thought he was scum, is pretty remarkable.  Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum.  I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1202 on: November 28, 2016, 11:01:35 am »

MVP goes to Robz though.  The fact that really no one thought he was scum, is pretty remarkable.  Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum.  I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.

Thanks! Yeah, that was a feel-good way for the game to end (for me). Probably even tops my other favorite LYLO, which was in Deep Space Nine (Mafia 19).
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1203 on: November 28, 2016, 11:16:14 am »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1204 on: November 28, 2016, 11:23:30 am »

I think this game showcases the importance of partners not getting linked together too badly. I mean, sure, Calamitas-Robz was always a decently likely pair, but there was ample evidence to support EFHW-Calamitas and even Space-Calamitas, too.

Oh, and I didn't even consider not shooting last night. Perhaps I should have, but I think that would have been bad. I took LaLight out at the time LL was of greatest use to me--hugely on my side and townreading me. I knew from experience that this attitude was going to subside. A dead LL couldn't change their mind.

A bigger consideration was whether to let gkrieg start the next day immediately, since I had already made my choice. But I thought rushing it might cause Space to pause and consider whether I was driving things.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1205 on: November 28, 2016, 11:28:03 am »

I completely think that EFHW is right about Jake.  His continuous tunneling (really just reiterating the fact that he was sure she was scum), was not really helpful to town.

Message #67 in the Scum QT was a bit telling :-(
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1206 on: November 28, 2016, 12:02:44 pm »

Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum.  I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
The IC was basically Space, I was just grasping at straws at the end there after she voted me. I also need to realize that 2.5% doubt should not be enough to make me hold back! It always feels like more.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1207 on: November 28, 2016, 12:06:39 pm »

I completely think that EFHW is right about Jake.  His continuous tunneling (really just reiterating the fact that he was sure she was scum), was not really helpful to town.

Message #67 in the Scum QT was a bit telling :-(
The derisive way Robz said I should be townreading Jake was also classic scum!Robz.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1208 on: November 28, 2016, 02:27:25 pm »

Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum.  I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
The IC was basically Space, I was just grasping at straws at the end there after she voted me. I also need to realize that 2.5% doubt should not be enough to make me hold back! It always feels like more.
SA wasn't an IC, not at all. The fact that I incriminated him might have been easily scum!me trying to generate a fake conflict between the two scums to win the LyLo by ensuring that not both are lynched.
As town I would have assigned that possibility a pretty high probability actually. Sure this effect was what we wanted to generate to create a dual-suspicion on two town players, but it was impossible for town to see through that in that situation.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1209 on: November 28, 2016, 02:29:37 pm »

Even at LYLO, usually (all of the LYLOs I can remember), there is an IC that is deciding between a town and a scum.  I have never seen the two town vote for each other and the scum just have the fun of hammering either of them when they want.
The IC was basically Space, I was just grasping at straws at the end there after she voted me. I also need to realize that 2.5% doubt should not be enough to make me hold back! It always feels like more.
SA wasn't an IC, not at all. The fact that I incriminated him might have been easily scum!me trying to generate a fake conflict between the two scums to win the LyLo by ensuring that not both are lynched.
As town I would have assigned that possibility a pretty high probability actually. Sure this effect was what we wanted to generate to create a dual-suspicion on two town players, but it was impossible for town to see through that in that situation.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1210 on: November 28, 2016, 07:56:20 pm »

Robz getting another MVP puts him back in the lead over me (regular games only division).  Guess that means I have to start playing again.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1211 on: November 28, 2016, 08:13:13 pm »

Robz getting another MVP puts him back in the lead over me (regular games only division).  Guess that means I have to start playing again.

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1212 on: November 28, 2016, 11:27:03 pm »

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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1213 on: November 28, 2016, 11:28:59 pm »

I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
I would do way better if we could send pm's to others beacuse I am way better at convincing people to my opinion if i can get them 1 on 1 or in small groups. Speechs or posts to all are not my strong suit
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Game Over! Mafia Wins!)
« Reply #1214 on: November 29, 2016, 03:08:32 am »

Robz getting another MVP puts him back in the lead over me (regular games only division).  Guess that means I have to start playing again.

This would be really awesome. I loved playing with you in NM8.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1215 on: November 29, 2016, 07:04:39 am »

I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
I would do way better if we could send pm's to others beacuse I am way better at convincing people to my opinion if i can get them 1 on 1 or in small groups. Speechs or posts to all are not my strong suit
Then just make a post pertaining to a specific person!

Be like: @Lalight: EFHW is scum because of X, Y and Z. If you don't believe me, think about A, B and C.
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Re: M88: Covert Affairs Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1216 on: November 29, 2016, 07:30:56 am »

I hope you understand me, because I like your solvy approach to the game, and I think you could become a strong player.
I would do way better if we could send pm's to others beacuse I am way better at convincing people to my opinion if i can get them 1 on 1 or in small groups. Speechs or posts to all are not my strong suit
Then just make a post pertaining to a specific person!

Be like: @Lalight: EFHW is scum because of X, Y and Z. If you don't believe me, think about A, B and C.

I don't believe you. A is weak argument, you know that. B is considerable, though I need to look at their interaction. C is ridiculous, look at your post #675, it's the same.

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