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[Haddock]

Woo!

That was fun.

It didn't feel massively balanced on our end, but faust is right - it's an inherently swingy setup and I think we just got the luck of the draw.

I really appreciate the mvp - my first one!  Hard game for anyone to really shine, so it didn't really take much I guess!  Still. Going in my sig!

[Haddock]

Space definitely gets townvp in my book. They had the right idea - I think town would have done much better if they'd coordinated more.  Bad idea in most setups, but good in this one.


Hope Ghacob is ok.

[Ghacob]

Hi! I'm alive!

I was having a rough... while. No more big forum games for me for some time.

faust and Haddock, thank you so much for covering for me so quickly.

[Haddock]

Hi! I'm alive!

I was having a rough... while. No more big forum games for me for some time.

faust and Haddock, thank you so much for covering for me so quickly.

No problem.

Hoping you're feeling better/ will do soon.

Glad you're, yknow, alive and shit.

[SpaceAnemone]

Thinking about MVPs is just wondering who fucked up the least.

wholeheartedly agree

I tried so hard, so am sad not to have done better :-(

You were the opponent I was scum-reading by far the least, though!

You were probably town's MVP if I had to decide that.

Yay :-) I'm a happier Space now :-)

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe this will be an end to overly complicated and scum biased setups for a while?

[LaLight]

hey guys!

It was cool to co-mod this game! I don't think I'd do better if I played actually. But i'd participate in the next one if it will occur!

[silverspawn]

Maybe this will be an end to overly complicated and scum biased setups for a while?

Hm, what other setups have been scum biased recently?

I get you on overly complicated. That's why we have RMM and M, I think.

[silverspawn]

Mh, why did my laser sight not detect anyone?

[silverspawn]

Ah because I am last. derp.

[chairs]

As usual I played piss poorly as Mafia.

Ironically this time everyone else also played poorly enough that I still get to call this a win.

Looking back there is so much that we could have done better as a team, and of course the same can be said of Town.

[LaLight]

Mh, why did my laser sight not detect anyone?

You were bus-driven with SA, so you prodded yourself

[faust]

Maybe this will be an end to overly complicated and scum biased setups for a while?

I don't think this was particularly scum-biased as a setup. But every game is scum-biased if town plays awfully.

[EFHW]

I don't think that is fair to town. Scum had overwhelming firepower and knew exactly who to hit. Town could not have coordinated because they didn't know who to target, and with so many scum any decision could easily be manipulated.

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't think that is fair to town. Scum had overwhelming firepower and knew exactly who to hit. Town could not have coordinated because they didn't know who to target, and with so many scum any decision could easily be manipulated.

Yes, I felt that way too, though I guess the main reason that town wasn't able to cooperate was down to our own individual weaknesses as players. My issue seems to be that I'm almost always scumread when I'm trying to be sincere and pro-town. I don't know what e was doing, but he was actively hostile to all my attempts to root out the scumteam and get some town collaboration going. Mail-mi and JR seemed willing, if suspicious, though. Silver's absence hurt us because he should have been a player who'd have backed up a logical plan.

I mean, I guess the gkrieg lynch at the outset was bad all round, but in a setup like this, I think we have to assume it's going to open with a mislynch. If the game runs again, the penalty for inaction needs to kick in earlier, like at 24 hours, because way too much play was stalled by members of both sides just not turning up and engaging. I also think that 3 scums and 9 towns would be more balanced, given the power of being able to share weapons and coordinate their effects, plus the faction half-kill. I almost always placed near the end of the turn order here, and I never held any weapons that could do any direct targeted damage at all, so my nights were mostly useless.

[EFHW]

Even if everyone had been on board, how would we have decided who to target at night?  No one would know who to trust, and in any mafia game I've played where people have tried to coordinate, inevitably enough people do their own thing that the plans don't work out. Town was probably checked out because there was so little we could do. N1 in particular, our weapons were worse than useless since we had little idea who was scum, and then by Day 2 already 3 of us were dead. This was a rout.

[EFHW]

When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch.  iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.

[Haddock]

When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch.  iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.

Funny story.  I actually genuinely screwed up and miscalculated my timezone. 

[2.71828.....]

On a different note, I really enjoyed this game. I was way off on a couple reads, and always knew it was going to be tough for town to win, but maybe I am just crazy and enjoy fighting the losing battle.

I am disappointed that SpaceAnemone and I never quite rounded the corner to figure out we were both town and to work together to find scum. By N4 I was convinced they were town, but it was way too late by then. My terrible read on chairs was the driving force behind using kamikaze, and I should have targeted haddock, who had been a scum read for me the entire game. I let myself get distracted by town v town disagreements about the game.

But all that to say, I really did enjoy the game.

[EFHW]

When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch.  iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.

Funny story.  I actually genuinely screwed up and miscalculated my timezone.

I had an incriminating result on you but I was killed before I could report it.

[SpaceAnemone]

Even if everyone had been on board, how would we have decided who to target at night?  No one would know who to trust, and in any mafia game I've played where people have tried to coordinate, inevitably enough people do their own thing that the plans don't work out. Town was probably checked out because there was so little we could do. N1 in particular, our weapons were worse than useless since we had little idea who was scum, and then by Day 2 already 3 of us were dead. This was a rout.

I don't think there was anything you could have done, because you died too quickly, and were identified by scum as someone who they needed out of the way -- did you notice in the scum QT how much they wanted to kill you even after you were already dead?

My plan to get town coordinating was to try to figure out who scum was early, and possibly catch them out with lies after N1, since I was sure most of them wouldn't have thought the setup through enough, or realise how much information could be verifiable after the fact, at least between groups or worms who could trust each other. If the game runs again, scum will be more wise to that, sadly. After that, we'd have had to play cleverly in isolation at night, but players going early in the turn order could have forked damage onto multiple scums, while those later in the turn order could have supplied the damage. Though of course as someone late in the turn order who couldn't ever do any direct damage, I would have been generally a bit useless there :-P I was trying to provide the ideas and get things moving, but my debating/motivational skill is rather lacking compared to my skill in data analysis... luckily the latter is more closely related to what I do for a day job :-P

[SpaceAnemone]

When town tried to lynch chairs, they didn't have enough town players and RR and Haddock were able to stall and get a no lynch.  iirc, there were 9 players and 4 scum, so all 5 town would have had to have the correct scumread on chairs to get a lynch. That's unreasonable to expect.

Funny story.  I actually genuinely screwed up and miscalculated my timezone.

I was kicking myself because I had actually typed a post where I actually pointed out that the clocks were going back, but somehow I didn't post it... I think I was worried that the more posts I made, the less anyone would listen to my key arguments over the background babble.

You and I had discussed the clocks going back not that long ago on FB, too -- I remember in particular saying that we'd be forum+4 rather than forum+5 for a week till the US clocks changed :-P

[gkrieg13]

I agree with most of the townies. Scum being a huge team and being able to coordinate their weapons when they know all of their turn order and also being able to coordinate bids assures that the team as a whole is very likely to go before town, which makes many of the weapons useless.

[SpaceAnemone]

May I politely direct all our former worms towards RMM38: Bonkers British Mafia now?

It's very British, and not very much like worms, so you'll all enjoy the change. Maybe after a nice round of tea and crumpets?

In fairness, I shall point out that LaLight's M89: Best Dominion Card Mafia is also awaiting sign-ups, and sounds rather spiffing too.

Pip pip!