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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 05:30:31 pm »
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For those who don't want to (or can't) follow the link:

Quote from: Jay Tummelson
We have decided it is time to given Dominion (and Intrigue) a facelift. Accordingly, we have created new covers and replaced a few cards in each game to make them even more interesting and fun to play. For those who already have these games, we are offering upgrade packs that contain the new cards so players who do not want to buy a whole new game for these new cards can get just the new cards. In addition to new cards and covers, we have cleaned up the rules and card text to eliminate confusion. We have also removed the extra Base Cards from Intrigue, which will reduce the cost; players who want to play with 5-6 players can still get the Base Cards set for the extra cards needed. With Dominion, second edition, we have changed the Base cards to artwork similar to that found previously in Base Cards.

The games have been produced and we expect to begin shipping them to distributors next week.

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2016, 05:31:50 pm »
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Hmm, I'm wondering what these new cards might be!

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 05:35:14 pm »
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Q: Will the new cards be available online? If so, when?

A: Yes. At launch.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 05:36:26 pm »
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Also, now we know why the empires rulebook mentioned the first edition of intrigue.

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 05:39:54 pm »
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Let's make bets on which cards change and how!
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 05:41:24 pm »
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I've known about this for a while. But it looks like it finally happened
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 05:42:06 pm »
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Sweet!!! Yay!
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 05:42:44 pm »
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I'm guessing Throne Room gets errata
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2016, 05:45:04 pm »
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Now, the real question is are we getting Events.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2016, 05:55:50 pm »
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I'm also guessing Chancellor, Sab and Adventurer are out
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2016, 05:57:36 pm »
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I'm also guessing Chancellor, Sab and Adventurer are out

Scout becomes a village, chancellor because a treasure for $4 or $5, adventurer gets a +buy and cost reduction (or draws 3 treasures?), saboteur seems unsalvagable.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 06:07:17 pm »
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It sounds like the upgrade pack only has the new cards, not the cards with updated text.  Does anyone know if that is, in fact, the case?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 06:15:09 pm »
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Cross-posting!

I will post a Secret History when the cards are available, going over all of the changes and the new cards. For now though here is a list of the changes:

For each of Dominion and Intrigue:
- Six cards replaced with new cards
- One additional new card added (replacing blanks)
- Other cards changed to have better phrasings (that are functionally the same).
- Rulebooks improved
- New cards also available as a separate small product (with new inlay, but no tray or rulebook) - Dominion Update Pack, Intrigue Update Pack.
- Cover art changed, and "Second Edition" added
- Expansion symbol changed

Additionally for Dominion:
- Three cards changed very mildly ("you may" added to Moneylender, Mine, Throne Room)
- Base cards improved with art (like Base Cards but better)
- A trash playmat rather than card

Additionally for Intrigue:
- One card changed mildly (Masquerade skips players with no cards in hand)
- Base cards dropped

Those changes are only for Dominion and Intrigue; other sets are not getting new cards. However all sets prior to Empires are getting general rulebook and card layout improvements, whenever new printings are ordered (Empires already has these changes, so you can go see how you like them there right now).

The different kinds of changes:
- Some wordings are improved to be clearer / simpler.
- We now use "they" instead of "he."
- A bigger font is used on cards that can use it.
- +Cards etc. in the body of the text are in bold.
- Layout will be more consistent and have better text centering etc.

The Update Packs contain just the new cards and a replacement inlay, in a small box. There's one for Dominion and one for Intrigue, each with 7 new cards (80 physical cards total). We don't really know what the demand for them will be, and in the long term we won't have them (since anyone buying those sets new will get the new cards), but they exist for now so that people who want the new cards don't have to re-buy Dominion or Intrigue to get them.

New versions of Base Cards will have the updated base cards; I don't know when exactly that gets reprinted though. The Big Box will also be updated.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2016, 06:23:51 pm »
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It sounds like the upgrade pack only has the new cards, not the cards with updated text.  Does anyone know if that is, in fact, the case?
Yes, only the new cards.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2016, 06:28:34 pm »
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This is awesome!

This is the best part:

Quote from: Jay
The games have been produced and we expect to begin shipping them to distributors next week.

So annoying getting exciting news only to find out it's not happening for 6-12 months.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2016, 06:33:12 pm »
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So I guess the big question is do you get both full sets out just the update packs. I'm leaning towards the full sets because I'm a nerd.

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2016, 06:33:55 pm »
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I've known about this for a while. But it looks like it finally happened

Did Donald X contact you to personally apologize for killing Scout?

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2016, 06:36:14 pm »
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Q: Will the new cards be available online? If so, when?

A: Yes. At launch.

Will the old cards be available?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2016, 06:38:30 pm »
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Are the new cards complex or are they lame?
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2016, 06:42:41 pm »
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Need more info!
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2016, 06:43:36 pm »
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We as a community are like family waiting outside for a new child to be born,
I mean parents are pretty handsome, all the previous children were great,
this one is so sudden though

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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2016, 06:48:33 pm »
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We as a community are like family waiting outside for a new child to be born,
I mean parents are pretty handsome, all the previous children were great,
this one is so sudden though

More like an 18 yr old knocking on your door you never knew about..."Daddy!"
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2016, 06:49:31 pm »
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I kinda wished that Masq skipped players with less than 4 cards in hand, since I find the Militia/Masq combo to be one of the most evil things to do to an opponent in Dominion.
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Re: Dominion and Intrigue second editions
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2016, 06:52:26 pm »
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So I guess the big question is do you get both full sets out just the update packs. I'm leaning towards the full sets because I'm a nerd.

Definitely the full sets.  Gotta have that trash mat.
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