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[pingpongsam]

vote: McGarnacle

I disapprove. Especially in a newbie game.

The question is, do you think what he did was scummy? Do you even know what he did?

No. Yes. I hope the reason I disapprove is obvious enough, if not, I will spell it out in due time.

I am trying to figure out if it was a scummy thing to do. McGarnacle was already L-1 so town!JReg wasn't forcing a claim unless he was hoping scum!McG would out himself in "twilight". I don't see a scum motivation for it at all. So, pretty null on it. When you say no do you mean null or town?

[pingpongsam]

The fact that it spurns this type of discussion makes me like it, regardless.

[pacovf]

You realize that this discussion is counterproductive to what J Reggie did, right?

[pingpongsam]

You realize that this discussion is counterproductive to what J Reggie did, right?

No, because if he didn't do it we wouldn't be having the discussion.

[pacovf]

Sure. Still, I will stop posting for the time being.

[ashersky]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

[ashersky]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

Like he's protecting a newbie partner.

[LaLight]

Pps/McGarnacle team seems legit

PPE: 1

[LaLight]

I say we lynch McG and if he flips scu, lunch pps and win.

[pingpongsam]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

I'm scummy for reading the setup or because you thought you had some clever trap laid?

[pingpongsam]

This just in, posting about things happening in the game is scummy.

[LaLight]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

I'm scummy for reading the setup or because you thought you had some clever trap laid?

Yes. Actually there were two. You messed both

[pingpongsam]

I'm really confused how either was a trap. Please explain the win conditions (with a straight face).

[LaLight]

I'm really confused how either was a trap. Please explain the win conditions (with a straight face).

Reaction is the key. Someone could claim RC. Reaction to FH is always good

[ashersky]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

I'm scummy for reading the setup or because you thought you had some clever trap laid?

Not so clever, but as LaLight says, reactions are key.  We're learning these new players still, we need to see them figure stuff out themselves.

I still think the Rolecop, if there is one, should claim.  The pros outweigh the cons.

[J Reggie]

Ash is scum and has a plan for his partner to claim.

[pingpongsam]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

I'm scummy for reading the setup or because you thought you had some clever trap laid?

Not so clever, but as LaLight says, reactions are key.  We're learning these new players still, we need to see them figure stuff out themselves.

I still think the Rolecop, if there is one, should claim.  The pros outweigh the cons.

You got a reaction; I went a read the setup because I was wondering why you would make it clear you knew there was a town role cop in the game. Then I saw that it was a possible role but only as scum. This utterly confused me. I would never think to try such an obviously failed gambit, and I am not opposed to some outlandish gambits. I'll try to hang back and let these silly things play out some more, I didn't know it was going to be like that; I'm not necessarily arguing against it.

[SpaceAnemone]

Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea.

I'm scummy for reading the setup or because you thought you had some clever trap laid?

Not so clever, but as LaLight says, reactions are key.  We're learning these new players still, we need to see them figure stuff out themselves.

I noticed both misdirections, and felt pretty clever about having seen them and known not to say anything, so at least you guys made me feel smart :-) I learnt about querying FHs in one of my first two games, otherwise you'd have had the fun of seeing it here.

[SpaceAnemone]

You got a reaction; I went a read the setup because I was wondering why you would make it clear you knew there was a town role cop in the game. Then I saw that it was a possible role but only as scum.

I went and read the setup post so I could check what Haddock-the-role-cop would be able to do, so that I could try to understand what clever thing Ash had seen.

This utterly confused me. I would never think to try such an obviously failed gambit, and I am not opposed to some outlandish gambits. I'll try to hang back and let these silly things play out some more, I didn't know it was going to be like that; I'm not necessarily arguing against it.

Actually, a few weeks ago, I'm sure LaLight and I would also have fallen for some of that kind of stuff! But the chance of having a newbie rolecop in the game is really small, so mostly what the newbie-scum-baiting is doing is making potential scum newbies more cautious and less likely to want to say anything, I think.

[Zigaton]

After the last vote is cast, you are guaranteed to die, and you get to speak until the mod sees that last vote and closes the thread.

I haven't been following the game super closely the last two days, can someone remind me why we think McG is scum?

there is three cases on him from me personally:

1) Pushing on Zigaton without any explanations other than "he's scummy"
2) Repeating phrase "If I was scum, I would"
3) Emoji thing.

1) I listed plenty of reasons for going after Zigaton a few pages back. a) he posts rarely, and mainly just to defend himself and
b) Pretty much his defense when I attacked him was "maybe YOUR scum, and you are just trying to deflect suspicion from yourself", which I think is a week defense.
2) I repeated "If I was scum I would" when people accused me and I tried to show why my current course of action would be inconsistent with the goals of the mafia.
3) Look at my other posts on f.ds, I use a lot of emojis.

What makes you think that if I write rarely, I Mafia? I wrote that "I have a brand new and don't know what to write." Besides, if I didn't have time to write much and I'm ashamed of my English. Now I have enough free time.

[ashersky]

You got a reaction; I went a read the setup because I was wondering why you would make it clear you knew there was a town role cop in the game. Then I saw that it was a possible role but only as scum.

I went and read the setup post so I could check what Haddock-the-role-cop would be able to do, so that I could try to understand what clever thing Ash had seen.

This utterly confused me. I would never think to try such an obviously failed gambit, and I am not opposed to some outlandish gambits. I'll try to hang back and let these silly things play out some more, I didn't know it was going to be like that; I'm not necessarily arguing against it.

Actually, a few weeks ago, I'm sure LaLight and I would also have fallen for some of that kind of stuff! But the chance of having a newbie rolecop in the game is really small, so mostly what the newbie-scum-baiting is doing is making potential scum newbies more cautious and less likely to want to say anything, I think.

Even if it makes newbie scum more cautious and less likely to want to say anything, well that's a thing we can notice, right?

So that's a good outcome.

[McGarnacle]

Okay, I'm confused. Am I dead?

[McGarnacle]

Okay, I'm probably toast either way now, but I'm the motion tracker. I can figure out what people do at night. Of course, now if you guys don't lynch me, the mafia will. Unless town believes me and mafia doesn't, which is unlikely.

[McGarnacle]

Okay, I'm probably toast either way now, but I'm the motion tracker. I can figure out what people do at night. Of course, now if you guys don't lynch me, the mafia will. Unless town believes me and mafia doesn't, which is unlikely.

Or we could have a doctor who saves me, or something like that.

[J Reggie]

unvote unless a good counterclaim comes up, this should IC McGarnacle.