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[faust]

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.

Giving town another lynch isn't worth any of that. No kill is never an option that scum actually chooses.

[Joseph2302]

Where did that theory come from?

Can't exactly remember.
Also, WW is town now

[Joseph2302]

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.

Giving town another lynch isn't worth any of that. No kill is never an option that scum actually chooses.

Agreed.

Can't see why Space would think no kill is good as scum.

[LaLight]

well.

Based on rereads of SA I can see myself that my original problem that makes me scummy in SA's eyes is that I'm revoting often. Also I can say that one is townie and in the next post can say he's scummy. There is an explanation, believe it or not. I dunno how it works with you guys, but looking at one post of someone imagining they're scum, I see them scummy. Looking at the same post imagining they're town, I see them townie.

So how it works for me, let me be clear. I read posts of someone without bias. Then, I listen to my guts and try to put all the posts I just read in the one basket and look is it more black or white. Then I decide that it is more black-ish and reread posts from that side. I get more proof of scumminess and I vote.

In a nutshell: I have a problem with analysing posts. I go from my feelings of a person. I say someone is town means I fell like this. This is all. All the SA's reread is made from the point I'm scum. But reread it thinking I'm town and you'll see it makes more sense.

Also there are players who generally look like scum in every game they play. Joseph, mail-mi I suppose. When I write a post I have two major points:

1) I want to find a scum really hard.
a) By putting someone into conversation with me
b) By making someone write more, so my "basket" would be more full and precise

2) I want not to get mislynched
a) By answering accusations
b) By trying to prevent other players to look at me so they can look to people who are not definitely town as I know I am.

This is some general about my play.

Also there is a problem about forum mafia. I am used to quick real-life mafia which is fast and you need to think fast and listen and remember everything someone said or did (looked to someone, agree with someone, etc.) to see the links from one person to another.
Here it is completely different. Some time I won't be a newbie any more and I will make everything easier in my mind.

General meta-post. I'm town. SA, believe me please and let's find real scum.

[faust]

I read posts of someone without bias.

Lynch all liars!

[LaLight]

I read posts of someone without bias.

Lynch all liars!

I meant my very first read of someone. I can't have any bias at that point.

[gkrieg13]

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1

[Joseph2302]

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1

Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

[LaLight]

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1

Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

Why aren't you voting for them then? I think _this_ is scummy

[Joseph2302]

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1

Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

Why aren't you voting for them then? I think _this_ is scummy

Because I'm at work.
And I'm rereading properly later, and will choose then.

Also, no need to rush, we've got like 5 days

[Joseph2302]

In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.

[Witherweaver]

In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.

So who's more likely to be scum between Reggie and Space?

[SpaceAnemone]

Wow, you lot are quiet tonight.

[iguanaiguana]

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1

Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

The only way you can be sure they are scum is if they are your two scum partners.

[iguanaiguana]

And that is my full contribution to the day. I've already made my cases.

[Joseph2302]

Some observations:

Here's a different theory for why faust survived the night. Obviously the people scumreading me already will think I'm clutching at straws, but here it is recorded for posterity in case anyone starts re-evaluating their positions later.

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.

WW coming straight out in D2 claiming vig would have thrown a minor spanner in the works, though, because more of them would have to claim in order to soak up the hits, throwing their plan out a bit. I'm not actually sure whether or not scum gets to know the exact town PRs in the game (i.e. did they even know there was a vig already), but if I ask that now, everyone will just assume it's a desperate grab for town points.

I think schadd coming out as a doctor who protected faust is a case of that. Nobody other than me is particularly scumreading him, and lots of people are scumreading me, so he's a safe "IC" to make. The fact that he's still claiming in his most recent post to have coined the term "townslip", rather than just to have heard it in the scum QT, makes me more uncomfortable.

So you think scum no killed and schadd is scum?
That seems like utter nonsense to me.

#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.

No just no.
It makes a lot of sense that he's new and asking questions in a bumbling way.
Much more sense than he's scum, who's been coached to do this.
Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.

I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.

Buddying much? "Don't lynch me, but if you do, then definitely don't link SA"

I think you should claim.

If faust says so then I will. Otherwise I'd really rather not say anything else that scum might somehow use against me to push through a hammer before I can even read things properly and post my own thoughts.

Or I'll claim now immediately if everyone else in the game can please ascribe lots of scum points to anyone joining my wagon between me claiming and being able to read and post properly? That way it doesn't look like I'm wanting thinking time about what I'm claiming. Does that work?

This claim still hasn't happened.

[iguanaiguana]

Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.

What? You are voting LaLight.

This claim still hasn't happened.

He claimed VT.

[LaLight]

Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.

What? You are voting LaLight.

This claim still hasn't happened.

He claimed VT.

You just wrote everything I wanted to write.

Except, I'd add some "?"'s

[Joseph2302]

In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.

I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.

So, Vote: Space

L-1

[LaLight]

In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.

I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.

So, Vote: Space

L-1

Are you ignoring their claim on purpose?! THEY CLAIMED VT

[LaLight]

Huh.. I'd put my phone away for a while after I'd seen the first response to my claiming question. Two more experienced people have now say to claim, so I guess I will. If I'm lynched before I later then be suspicious of them! Anyway, I'm VT... sorry if you'd hope for something more juicy to analyse :-(

[Joseph2302]

PPE: 2 on my last post.

Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.

What? You are voting LaLight.

This claim still hasn't happened.

He claimed VT.

Okay, so he claimed VT, the safest claim for scum right now?
And as for still voting LaLight, I wanted the evidence and the vote itself in 2 different posts, just got PPE'd by ii and LaLight's posts.

PPE: 2

[Joseph2302]

Everyone happy now?

The L-1 makes sense, and I acknowledge his claim.
Man these edit conflicts caused a hell of a lot of confusion.

[gkrieg13]

Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.

Also I think I'm already on SA so no hammer from me.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright, let's end this derptastic day.

Vote: SpaceAnemone