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[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Seprix
I have a ton of catching up to do but reading D1 he doesn't look good

I don't actually know what to say about this.  I mean you have a list of your meta tells probably in your notes app, so I feel like this is just a little over the top.

What about reading him D1 doesn't look so good?  What is your case on him?

It was one post in particular and I figured I'd vote based off that then find more

[Roadrunner7671]

lol whatever 

ugh, I have to vote for this. I'm sorry, your reactions to this are awful.

vote: Teamyle

L-2 I think?

It's fine I really don't care anymore

No, no. Please start caring. Make a reads list! Give us something so that if you die and you're town, we have something to go by. If you're scum, town still has something to go by! Just because you might die doesn't mean you can't still make town reads!

Your reaction to all of this makes me think town anyways.

unvote

I think it might've been this

Also Vote: diedre

[gkrieg13]

lol whatever 

ugh, I have to vote for this. I'm sorry, your reactions to this are awful.

vote: Teamyle

L-2 I think?

It's fine I really don't care anymore

No, no. Please start caring. Make a reads list! Give us something so that if you die and you're town, we have something to go by. If you're scum, town still has something to go by! Just because you might die doesn't mean you can't still make town reads!

Your reaction to all of this makes me think town anyways.

unvote

I think it might've been this

Also Vote: diedre

What is scummy about that post, and why diedre?

[gkrieg13]

Do you care to defend yourself diedre?

[diedre91]

You are wrong RR. Could you explain your vote, please?

[gkrieg13]

chairs, silverspawn

Ok lets do a reads list.  That should spawn some good conversation.

Town

iguanaiguana - mainly for meta reasons.  He seems like he is genuinely trying to find scum, and his attitude just seems like town!iguana

SpaceAnemone - needs some personal text or something so that I can ctrl + f to find his posts.  Overall, I just remember him being townie, but will wait for his personal text so I can read his posts again.

On the Town Side of Null

Calamitas - Asking good questions, seems to be trying to scum hunt.

Completely Null

mail-mi - seems on the more active side, but there isn't really too much that is townie.  I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.  Mainly I just don't feel like I have a good enough feel about him yet.

On the Scummy Side of Null

Roadrunner7671 - I mean he didn't vote for anyone D1, except for RVS.  He seems to know that is his meta, and he has been going away from the don't vote anyone on D1 mentality.  Also, he then rereads Seprix D1 and says that he is scummy without too much reason. 

diedre91 - Haven't gotten a lot out of him yet.  Actually his only post that was related to people in the game was explaining his vote on teamlyle, which wasn't too much.  I moved him from town side of null to scum side of null.  @diedre Who do you think is scum?  Who do you think is town? and why?

Straight-up Scummy

chairs - ok I already presented a case here.  I think that one post of his is very scummy, and I don't feel like his defense made it any better really.

silverspawn - I don't like how he handled my case on chairs, and I don't think he has been very helpful.  He has been a lot more in the background than I would expect him to be, and it's scummy.

[gkrieg13]

You are wrong RR. Could you explain your vote, please?

Why is he wrong?

[silverspawn]

not liking the chairs wagon

instead how about  a vote: SpaceAnemone

What don't you like about the chairs wagon?

that it's on chairs

I don't think he overreacted to pressure ... two quick votes is serious stuff with just 9 players and hidden votes flying around.

And the quote you pulled that you say suggests that he knew about the secret vote suggests the opposite to me.

How does it suggest the opposite to you?  How does saying that he will keep his vote because he wants to see what happens suggest that he didn't know about a secret vote?

because it's too blunt. Put yourself into his position. Why say it like this?

Your reads list doesn't have the right people in the red.

[gkrieg13]

not liking the chairs wagon

instead how about  a vote: SpaceAnemone

What don't you like about the chairs wagon?

that it's on chairs

I don't think he overreacted to pressure ... two quick votes is serious stuff with just 9 players and hidden votes flying around.

And the quote you pulled that you say suggests that he knew about the secret vote suggests the opposite to me.

How does it suggest the opposite to you?  How does saying that he will keep his vote because he wants to see what happens suggest that he didn't know about a secret vote?

because it's too blunt. Put yourself into his position. Why say it like this?

Your reads list doesn't have the right people in the red.

Who would you put in the red?

I think that chairs might say it.  To me it looks like "hey guy that we don't know who you are but we know about you and know your role, why don't you hammer with your secret vote!"

[silverspawn]

he might. I just don't think it's likely.

who would I put... SpaceA probably... maybe diedre just based no being non-existent.

[SpaceAnemone]

SpaceAnemone - now has some stupid personal text so that I can ctrl + f to find their posts

FTFY :-)

[Calamitas]

SpaceAnemone - now has some stupid personal text so that I can ctrl + f to find their posts

FTFY :-)

You just used my password O.o

[gkrieg13]

he might. I just don't think it's likely.

who would I put... SpaceA probably... maybe diedre just based no being non-existent.

Why Both of them?  I agree that Space has been pretty non-existant.  Now that I can reread him, he hasn't really said any about the people in the game at all.  In fact he hasn't voted anyone since RVS.  I agree that he really is on the scummier side, even though I put him on the town side earlier before I reread him.

[gkrieg13]

Do you really think that both of the new players that are more on the lurky side are the remaining mafia?

[silverspawn]

Do you really think that both of the new players that are more on the lurky side are the remaining mafia?

well, if I take that question literally, then obviously no.

[SpaceAnemone]

he might. I just don't think it's likely.

who would I put... SpaceA probably... maybe diedre just based no being non-existent.

Why Both of them?  I agree that Space has been pretty non-existant.  Now that I can reread him, he hasn't really said any about the people in the game at all.  In fact he hasn't voted anyone since RVS.  I agree that he really is on the scummier side, even though I put him on the town side earlier before I reread him.

Yeah, sorry I'm being less engaged here than I had been elsewhere. There's a high concentration of experienced players in this game, and more people I don't know, so I'm less confident I can drive things forward, especially because I lack all but the tiniest bit of feedback on how my reads in forum mafia are actually working out so far.

This BSG game is the whole reason I got Haddock to introduce me to this place, though, so I want to do it justice! Will try to do more reads and stuff later, though I've got a late-night conference call in an hour, and some work to do before then too. My sleep cycle is absolutely borked this week.

Also, for pronouns, would you like to try they/their (see fix in #310) or she/her? Thanks! :-)

[gkrieg13]

Also, for pronouns, would you like to try they/their (see fix in #310) or she/her? Thanks! :-)

Just to make sure, you want me to use she/her for you?

[Calamitas]

Finally got some time off,  vacation can get quite busy

My current reads/thoughts:

Rather scummy:
 - Chairs: Weird comments about double voting; assumption about traitor that is not confirmed for town but for mafia

Seprix was a traitor - which means even his partners didn't know he existed.

Slightly scummy ones:
 - Diedre: Pretty much non-existent
 - Silver : Mainly the statement of iguana who doesn't seem scummy but not particular scummy either, have to wait for his eleboration
 - mail-mi: Opening the case for teamlyle

Rather towny:
 - Gkrieg: Very active, long and helpful posts. No signs pointing towards mafia by now

On iguana and rr I have pretty much a null-read, leaning more towards town in the case of ii and absolute null in the case of rr. But even the town of ii is more a feeling and I cannot give concret evidence.

[mail-mi]

I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.

Why? I thought it was a good case, and then chairs' reaction made him seem scummier to me.

[mail-mi]

diedre has literally 1 post about someone else's alignment, and that's a vote for teamlyle.

vote: diedre pressure vote. get on here and do stuff man!

[mail-mi]

- mail-mi: Opening the case for teamlyle

He made a scummy post, and his reaction to it made him look a lot worse. I didn't want the lynch to happen so quickly of course--we have Seprix and chairs (ish) for that.

[Calamitas]

We certainly need a vote count, so hard to keep track of all the recent votes.

@mail-mi: If it would have been only the case on teamlyle I would have agreed, but you was quickly pusing cases on both days. Might be a townish approach of trying to push the game forward (since both cases were quite reasonable) or a scummy approach.
Since both options are absolutely realistic here, I am going with "slightly scummy".

[gkrieg13]

diedre has literally 1 post about someone else's alignment, and that's a vote for teamlyle.

vote: diedre pressure vote. get on here and do stuff man!

Why not vote for Space if you are just voting for pressure?

[gkrieg13]

I don't like the way he is helping my chairs case for some reason.

Why? I thought it was a good case, and then chairs' reaction made him seem scummier to me.

I guess it was just that you didn't seem genuine for some reason.  Just didn't feel right.  Especially the way you are jumping on the diedre wagon now.

[Calamitas]

Vote Count 2.1

Perfection. That’s what it’s about. It’s those moments. When you can feel the perfection of creation. The beauty of physics, you know, the wonder of mathematics. The elation of action and reaction, and that is the kind of perfection that I want to be connected to.

chairs (3): gkrieg, mail-mi, Calamitas (L-2)
SpaceAnemone (1): silver
Not Voting (5): chairs, diedre91, iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, SpaceAnemone

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: 7pm, 2 September.

Update:

chairs (2): gkrieg, Calamitas (L-2)
SpaceAnemone (1): silver
Silverspawn(1): iguanaiguana
Diedre(2): roadrunner, mail-mi
Not Voting (3): chairs, diedre91, SpaceAnemone