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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #200 on: December 12, 2022, 04:05:31 pm »
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Note that actions and victories are 0+; I need something that cannot put more than 1 treasure card in my hand, while letting me night cards. I use hunter for actions and victories, so If necessary I can drain my deck to just treasures and nights.

It's not clear exactly what you are trying to ultimately accomplish, but cards like Forum and Warehouse are generally good for getting specific cards / card types while avoiding others.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #201 on: December 13, 2022, 03:51:09 pm »
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It is for a puzzle, and I need a way to stop myself from drawing an infinite number of treasures, while drawing an infinite number of Actions, victories, and nights. Basically, using rogue, watchtower, mandarin, Scepter and hunter, I can play X Sceptars as hunter to draw X Scepters and Y actions/victories, Play rogue to gain mandarin, revealing watchtower to trash, and put the X Sceptars andRogue on your deck. Play X Sceptars, to draw X scepters, rogue, and Y actions/victories. Play rogue, gain and trash mandarin. Repeat.
This gives infintinite action and victory draw, but only Cycles treasures, and is incapable of drawing nights - specifically changing. I need to find a way to draw the changelings in mass without allowing myself to draw more treasures that used.

Warehouse and forum let me draw multiple treasures and discard the actions/victories. So, I was hoping there was something like hunter that prevents me from drawing more than 1 treasure, but lets me draw nights, or something like Adventurer that lets me grab more than 1 Changing per Scepter.

It doesn't sound like that is possible with current published cards.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #202 on: December 18, 2022, 10:56:18 pm »
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When using Fated and playing Smithy, can I look what I will draw before shuffling?
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #203 on: December 19, 2022, 05:10:03 am »
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When using Fated and playing Smithy, can I look what I will draw before shuffling?

The rulebook says yes:
"In games with Fated, you can look through your deck before shuffling, even if you're sure you don't have any Fated cards."

But actually this was already a general rule according to Donald.
The wording "in games with Fated..." makes it sound like this rule is not in effect in games without Fated. Does that mean that the general rule has been removed?

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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #204 on: December 19, 2022, 11:44:02 am »
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When using Fated and playing Smithy, can I look what I will draw before shuffling?

The rulebook says yes:
"In games with Fated, you can look through your deck before shuffling, even if you're sure you don't have any Fated cards."

But actually this was already a general rule according to Donald.
The wording "in games with Fated..." makes it sound like this rule is not in effect in games without Fated. Does that mean that the general rule has been removed?
In the post you link, I'm saying that if you play Smithy with two cards left, you can look at those two cards.

In the rulebook text you quote, I'm saying that you can look through every card you're shuffling, in games with Fated.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #205 on: December 19, 2022, 01:17:00 pm »
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When using Fated and playing Smithy, can I look what I will draw before shuffling?

The rulebook says yes:
"In games with Fated, you can look through your deck before shuffling, even if you're sure you don't have any Fated cards."

But actually this was already a general rule according to Donald.
The wording "in games with Fated..." makes it sound like this rule is not in effect in games without Fated. Does that mean that the general rule has been removed?
In the post you link, I'm saying that if you play Smithy with two cards left, you can look at those two cards.

In the rulebook text you quote, I'm saying that you can look through every card you're shuffling, in games with Fated.

The rulebook text doesn't actually say that, but I think maybe I understand now. It says you can look through your deck before shuffling, in games with Fated. But I think it's supposed to say "look through the cards before shuffling", which is what you're saying now. You still have a deck when shuffling (per the new 2nd-edition shuffle rule) and that's not what that rule text is meant to refer to.

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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #206 on: January 17, 2023, 04:58:03 am »
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When does "the start of your Clean-up" end?

I have played 2 Fishermans and 1 Improve.  No card is in my discard pile.  Can I discard a Fisherman and trash the other to gain a Gold?
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #207 on: January 17, 2023, 08:04:51 am »
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When does "the start of your Clean-up" end?
When nothing left to do at "the start of your Clean-up"! And when you don't want to use optional things for that.

I have played 2 Fishermans and 1 Improve.  No card is in my discard pile.  Can I discard a Fisherman and trash the other to gain a Gold?
No!
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #208 on: January 17, 2023, 10:03:54 pm »
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When does "the start of your Clean-up" end?
When nothing left to do at "the start of your Clean-up"! And when you don't want to use optional things for that.

I have played 2 Fishermans and 1 Improve.  No card is in my discard pile.  Can I discard a Fisherman and trash the other to gain a Gold?
No!

I do agree, but what makes us sure?  "When you have nothing to discard (before drawing next hand), the start of your Clean-up ends" is also acceptable, isn't it?
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #209 on: January 18, 2023, 04:37:38 am »
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When does "the start of your Clean-up" end?
When nothing left to do at "the start of your Clean-up"! And when you don't want to use optional things for that.

I have played 2 Fishermans and 1 Improve.  No card is in my discard pile.  Can I discard a Fisherman and trash the other to gain a Gold?
No!

I do agree, but what makes us sure?  "When you have nothing to discard (before drawing next hand), the start of your Clean-up ends" is also acceptable, isn't it?

Sure, "start of Clean-up" could be referring to the first part of your Clean-up phase. But that's just not how "the start of" phases are used in Dominion. The start of your Action phase, Buy phase and Clean-up phase all come at the very beginning, before you start doing anything else in that phase. It's practically the same as "before the start", but it does count as being in the phase, which could matter in a few situations (like Crown). "The end of" phases work the same way.

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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #210 on: November 18, 2023, 11:39:05 pm »
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Shaman for Way of the Mouse is "using this"?
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #211 on: November 19, 2023, 09:07:21 am »
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Shaman for Way of the Mouse is "using this"?
Yes, Way of the Mouse means that the card is being used in the game. Same with Duchess, and cards with setup instructions like Black Market.

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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #212 on: April 11, 2024, 10:51:45 pm »
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Regarding Footpad global effect:
It is clear to me that Actions played during the Buy Phase (such as with Coronet) do not trigger the draw, and likewise, that Treasures (like Hammer) played during the Action Phase (say, also via Coronet) do. 
But what about "At the start of your turn" actions before your Action phase proper? I'm referring to gainers played by Farmhands or Prince, or Duration start-of-turn gain effects like Quartermaster or Enlarge (Thus effectively making Quartermaster also a Hireling?)
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #213 on: April 11, 2024, 11:05:41 pm »
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Regarding Footpad global effect:
It is clear to me that Actions played during the Buy Phase (such as with Coronet) do not trigger the draw, and likewise, that Treasures (like Hammer) played during the Action Phase (say, also via Coronet) do. 
But what about "At the start of your turn" actions before your Action phase proper? I'm referring to gainers played by Farmhands or Prince, or Duration start-of-turn gain effects like Quartermaster or Enlarge.

At the start of your turn is contained in your Action phase, so you'll get +1 Card from Footpad. It also applies with things like Crown.

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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #214 on: June 19, 2024, 12:37:36 pm »
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Hi.  Question on Cage: are multiple (all) cages in play trashed when a victory card is purchased?  This seems like an obvious way to be able to mega turn but I haven’t seen this mentioned in the strategy articles. 

Thank you!
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #215 on: June 19, 2024, 03:24:56 pm »
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Hi.  Question on Cage: are multiple (all) cages in play trashed when a victory card is purchased?  This seems like an obvious way to be able to mega turn but I haven’t seen this mentioned in the strategy articles. 

Thank you!

Yes, and this is indeed an obvious (although slow) way to set up a megaturn if you need to use it.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #216 on: July 15, 2024, 11:43:55 am »
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Thank you.   And another question: just got cornucopia and guilds 2e

Ferryman requires an 11th kingdom card to be used costing 3 or 4.  The recommended set, “bounty of the hunt” pairs it with Farrier which costs 2+.  Is the actual parameter 2+, 3 or 4?

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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #217 on: July 15, 2024, 01:24:00 pm »
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This is a mistake in the recommended sets. It should be $3-$4 like the card says. Donald X confirmed that somewhere around here.

https://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21894.msg906656#msg906656

He has ruled that when playing with that recommended set, still use Farrier anyway.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #218 on: July 15, 2024, 01:50:12 pm »
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Thank you.  We will proceed as directed.  (Plus it kind of makes sense with the names and the plus, but farrier looks to be a very week 3 card when you can’t use it’s in buy benefit.)
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #219 on: August 09, 2024, 10:22:46 am »
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alchemist has changed, right?

As in, you used to need to play it to topdeck it - now you don't?
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #220 on: August 09, 2024, 10:34:19 am »
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alchemist has changed, right?

As in, you used to need to play it to topdeck it - now you don't?
You still have to play it because the topdecking instruction is part of the play ability. If you don't play the card, you don't follow the instructions.

The difference with the new version is that you topdeck it at the start of clean-up instead of when you discard it from play in clean-up. The other difference is that with the old version, if you played it without resolving its play ability, for instance if you used a Way or were under an Enchantress attack, you could still do the under-the-line ability (topdecking it), as it didn't happen on play. But now, everything happens on play.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #221 on: August 09, 2024, 12:31:03 pm »
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alchemist has changed, right?

As in, you used to need to play it to topdeck it - now you don't?
You still have to play it because the topdecking instruction is part of the play ability. If you don't play the card, you don't follow the instructions.

The difference with the new version is that you topdeck it at the start of clean-up instead of when you discard it from play in clean-up. The other difference is that with the old version, if you played it without resolving its play ability, for instance if you used a Way or were under an Enchantress attack, you could still do the under-the-line ability (topdecking it), as it didn't happen on play. But now, everything happens on play.

Ah! Right! As it lacks the reaction type!
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #222 on: August 09, 2024, 01:33:13 pm »
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alchemist has changed, right?

As in, you used to need to play it to topdeck it - now you don't?
You still have to play it because the topdecking instruction is part of the play ability. If you don't play the card, you don't follow the instructions.

The difference with the new version is that you topdeck it at the start of clean-up instead of when you discard it from play in clean-up. The other difference is that with the old version, if you played it without resolving its play ability, for instance if you used a Way or were under an Enchantress attack, you could still do the under-the-line ability (topdecking it), as it didn't happen on play. But now, everything happens on play.

Ah! Right! As it lacks the reaction type!

Even if it did have the Reaction type, the play ability would still only happen on play.
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Re: Simple Rules Questions
« Reply #223 on: August 26, 2024, 09:06:23 am »
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How do Traits interact with Traveller lines? My assumption is that the Trait only affects the Kingdom pile in the Supply (e.g. Page) and not any of the non-Supply cards (e.g. Treasure Hunter). Is this correct?
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« Reply #224 on: August 26, 2024, 10:21:55 am »
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Yes. This is different from how split piles work because here the higher-level cards don't come from the same pile as the starting card.
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