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[Seprix]

Ashersky is likely the scum player. He plays way too aggressively as scum, and it always looks towny because it's often suicide to try stuff.

[iguanaiguana]

Well all I can say is to confirm that I did ghoul to chairs : (

[Seprix]

Well all I can say is to confirm that I did ghoul to chairs : (

If you didn't, you'd be dead. You're almost 100% town.

[iguanaiguana]

Philosophically, I want to vote for Faust. But I will do the right thing and actually read this game.

[J Reggie]

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

[Seprix]

Submitted my Ghoul on ash. Everyone else should do likewise (not on ash though).

Submitted on joseph

Submitted on IGG Rush.

The people who talked about Ghouling. I submitted my action, and IG didn't die, so it's very likely both of us are town. Jimmmmm and gkreig could both be bluffing and just saying it (as could I honestly).

[Seprix]

If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum.

When he said that, that basically sealed my vote. It's pretty obvious Ashersky blew it at this point.

[iguanaiguana]

IG is Ichimaru Gin.

People call me Iguanda because uh silverspawn

[iguanaiguana]

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.

There is, in fact, a huge plan to be had.  And I have it.

Also, as is amazingly awesome, DAMA.

Faust said Ash didn't have the plan, chairs did, but Ashersky's first post is about having a plan.

[iguanaiguana]

gah, there's already serious discussion and we're not even an hour in! I know ash likes to solve setups, and I think that advice is good advice.  Ash, what do you propose instead of reads lists. 

Also, jimmmmm thinks I'm scummy. 

PPE: 8 no joke

I propose nothing in place of reads lists.  Just vote.  If scum wants to work hard to create reads lists for each town player base don our voting patterns and posts, good on them.

Just no popsquizes or readslists.  Trust me on this.

Also, someone chekc the math on the chairs plan.  I think it works.  Ghoul the next in line, NK just gets passed down the list until it hits scum who can't Ghoul.  Or scum doesn't NK, but they cna't NK buecause I think it is compuslory.  So we win.

If that's truly true, setup is broken.

Ah yes, Ash had a different plan - for no one to give out reads lists, and then called the setup broken once Chairs gave the plan for us all to ghoul down the line. (It was Chairs' plan, irony!). So actually Ash was lying when he misrepresented that the plan to ghoul down the player line was his plan. He sort of seems not to like the plan much in this post actually. He says it makes the setup broken.

Of course at this point he also seems to think that the ghoul is every night, not one shot. So Ash is spreading misinformation too!

[Seprix]

The Iguanda is getting solvy. 

[iguanaiguana]

Also, super town on Jimmmmmm.

If Ash is scum, Jimmmmmm is likely scum too.

[iguanaiguana]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Okay, then this misunderstanding. Here's my take on it.

My PM actually doesn't say anything about being a 1-shot ghoul. It just says I am town and have a ghoul power to use. So it seemed reasonable at the time that town!Ash could misunderstand his PM and believe that he has endless ghoul power, and suspect anyone who thinks ghoul is 1-shot.

The logic here is that since only the setup says one shot and not the PM, this means that town!Ash only read the Quicktopic/PM and didn't read the setup.

So this begs the question, how would scum!Ash know about the contents of our PM?

However, I still remember from soap opera mafia that Ash was more than willing to spread misinformation and hold wrong ideas on purpose as scum, so the fact that Ash is confused/wrong here could indicate scum.

What a mess.

[silverspawn]

2) the mod changed the setup without telling anyone

It has to be 1, because 2 would be an unforgivable sin.

I did not change the setup.

[iguanaiguana]

I mean, silverspawn could have easily just shown scum a vanilla town PM, and scum!Ash could have said "Town doesn't know that I know their PM. What's weird about this PM that I can use to my advantage?" That seems very ash-like.

[iguanaiguana]

2) the mod changed the setup without telling anyone

It has to be 1, because 2 would be an unforgivable sin.

I did not change the setup.

He was just riling you up because ruffles and feathers.

[iguanaiguana]

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Yeah, I could very much see Ash doing this if both Jimm and him are scum.

[Seprix]

Iguana, the case on Ash is strong. But is there a case on Faust? Can you look into it? You're the most likely town player here, so your input is the most valuable.

[iguanaiguana]

I thought about this setup a bit, since I signed up for my first game in months.

Wait, so you did read the setup? You've been thinking hard about this setup, and yet you were still the only player in the game to come up with all sorts of misunderstandings about it? Your crazy misunderstandings make a lot more sense when they are purposeful, and this is hella scummy. Sorry, Ash.

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana, the case on Ash is strong. But is there a case on Faust? Can you look into it? You're the most likely town player here, so your input is the most valuable.

I'm just reading everything in order and Faust hasn't said anything yet. Sorry for the spamming. It's just so much faster this way.

[ashersky]

My favorite thing about being mislynched is all the I told you so posts I can make.

vote: ashersky

[ashersky]

For the record, I never claimed the ghoul plan was my own.  I'd like to see someone back up that lie.

[iguanaiguana]

unvote

Not liking the Lyle vote on Jimmmm.

Also, if anyone says they want to be chosen for the duel, it's probably scum playing the long con.

That said, I want to be chosen for the duel.

Does all this Jimmm argument stuff, then calls the first person to vote Jimmm scummy.

Sets it up early in everyone's heads that he's going to be in the first duel. Maybe because he already knew?

[ashersky]

Iguana, the case on Ash is strong. But is there a case on Faust? Can you look into it? You're the most likely town player here, so your input is the most valuable.

There's no real case to be made on Faust, other than general inactivity.

Also the fact that he refused to unvote is 100% proof that I was right.  You'll see that and I'll ask that you quote this post once either of us are lynched.

[ashersky]

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

Who argued that I would have died at night?  What kind of argument is that, even?  I literally don't understand it.