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[ashersky]

Someone should check it to be sure.  But I think that's right.

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

[J Reggie]

gah, there's already serious discussion and we're not even an hour in! I know ash likes to solve setups, and I think that advice is good advice.  Ash, what do you propose instead of reads lists. 

Also, jimmmmm thinks I'm scummy. 

PPE: 8 no joke

[Jimmmmm]

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

[ashersky]

gah, there's already serious discussion and we're not even an hour in! I know ash likes to solve setups, and I think that advice is good advice.  Ash, what do you propose instead of reads lists. 

Also, jimmmmm thinks I'm scummy. 

PPE: 8 no joke

I propose nothing in place of reads lists.  Just vote.  If scum wants to work hard to create reads lists for each town player base don our voting patterns and posts, good on them.

Just no popsquizes or readslists.  Trust me on this.

Also, someone chekc the math on the chairs plan.  I think it works.  Ghoul the next in line, NK just gets passed down the list until it hits scum who can't Ghoul.  Or scum doesn't NK, but they cna't NK buecause I think it is compuslory.  So we win.

If that's truly true, setup is broken.

[ashersky]

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

[ashersky]

Also, super town on Jimmmmmm.

[Jimmmmm]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

[Seprix]

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

That's idiotic. Good luck playing Russian roulette.

[ashersky]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

[ashersky]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

[Jimmmmm]

What if we just have everyone ghoul to the next person on the list? It should guarantee a mafia death.

This is probably a good plan if I'm understanding right. Either Tonight or later in the game when we're in desperate need for a scum death, we pull the trigger on this.

[Jimmmmm]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

[ashersky]

Yeah, my QT doesn't say anythign about 1-shot either.

[ashersky]

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

That's idiotic. Good luck playing Russian roulette.

Which part?  My part or Jimmmm's part?

[ashersky]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

[J Reggie]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Still, it guarantees a mafia death N1.  That's really good.  We could win the game D2 if we lynch correctly (which should be easier with the duel).

[J Reggie]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

what?

[ashersky]

Still, it guarantees a mafia death N1.  That's really good.  We could win the game D2 if we lynch correctly (which should be easier with the duel).

My understanding, confirmed by the mod, is that the fastest town win is correct lynch D1, Ghoul kill N1, correct lynch D2.

So J Reggie is correct here.

[J Reggie]

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

[ashersky]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

what?

Jimmmm is voting me on a PM discrepancy.  I'll vote on that any day of the week.  If I'm town, I shouldn't have made that mistake.  If Jimmmmm's scum, he's caught.  That's an easy trade off.

[Jimmmmm]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Relax, that was a joke vote.

I hate situations like this.

NOTE TO ALL MODS: In open games, publish all Role PMs (Or at least Town ones).

[Seprix]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Did you read the QT or not?

[ashersky]

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

[ashersky]

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Did you read the QT or not?

I read it multiple times.  Mine does not mention 1-shot anywhere.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.

I claimed no such thing.