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[Seprix]

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.

[chairs]

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.

They are compulsive. Also,  two scum in a row still ends up with a dead scum.

[chairs]

To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.

[Joseph2302]

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.

Scum is obliged to kill (see the setup)- if they don't nominate someone, then a random town player gets chosen.
If 2 or more scum are consecutive numbers then it doesn't matter, as one scum will definitely die.
This is 100% guaranteed.

PPE: 2

[Joseph2302]

To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.

True, but it's 1 dead mafia.
That's pretty fricking good.

[Seprix]

To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.

Hmm. I guess I was wrong. Maybe it is okay. It just feels too easy.

[faust]

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.

[J Reggie]

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.

No, we should go ahead and kill mafia as soon as possible. I want to get that D2 win!

Maybe you and Seprix are partners 

[Seprix]

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

[Seprix]

Ashersky is also totally the person to do a bold gambit. Well, I call that gambit.

vote: Ash

[Seprix]

*replace factions with PRs, because I am an idiot

[2.71828.....]

Ashersky is also totally the person to do a bold gambit. Well, I call that gambit.

vote: Ash

Yes, he would. But he would have been the first to mention it and it would have come out in his plan of he were scum.

Ashersky is town

[2.71828.....]

Also, ashersky wasn't supposed to claim masons until D2. We talked about that in our shared qt, but he ignored me.

[ashersky]

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13859.msg530104#msg530104

[J Reggie]

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13859.msg530104#msg530104

I love that game! Good job there BTW. So is the whole Mason thing just a joke in reference to that? That's what I initially thought.

[Jimmmmm]

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

It's an open game. There are no factions, PRs or anything else apart from what is mentioned in the OP. ash's claim was a joke and he's probTown.

[ashersky]

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13859.msg530104#msg530104

I love that game! Good job there BTW. So is the whole Mason thing just a joke in reference to that? That's what I initially thought.

Yes.  Basically, every game for awhile after that game gkrieg and I would claim masons day 1, no matter what the game/setup/etc.  It's a meta joke, too, because silverspawn modded that game and really thought terribly about us doing that play, and he was super angry that it worked and we won flawlessly, and he's modding this game.

What this says about Seprix...I don't know.  He was around back then, I think?

[Jimmmmm]

Thanks, this is much more helpful than "Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot".

His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught.

I am nowhere near brave enough to do that as scum. As scum in Speed-Dating Mafia when faust deduced that there were no scum-scum partnerships, I was quite annoyed because it affected my winning chances, but there was no way I was going to say so in the game thread. In this case it's an integrity of the game thing.

His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

Well yeah I write awkwardly sometimes. Sometimes you have to specify what you're talking about so that people can't pedantically correct you. The PM was simply a QT link with no mention of alignment. We don't really have an accepted term for Role Message in a QT.

[Seprix]

What this says about Seprix...I don't know.  He was around back then, I think?

I was not. And if I was, I wouldn't have remembered. That was likely during the long time I was not on the site (for personal reasons). Well, it didn't sound like a joke at all, but that makes sense for sure.

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Yeah, never heard of that before. 3 meta 5 me I guess

[gkrieg13]

Thanks, this is much more helpful than "Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot".

His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught.

I am nowhere near brave enough to do that as scum. As scum in Speed-Dating Mafia when faust deduced that there were no scum-scum partnerships, I was quite annoyed because it affected my winning chances, but there was no way I was going to say so in the game thread. In this case it's an integrity of the game thing.

His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

Well yeah I write awkwardly sometimes. Sometimes you have to specify what you're talking about so that people can't pedantically correct you. The PM was simply a QT link with no mention of alignment. We don't really have an accepted term for Role Message in a QT.

This actually is a pretty townie defense.  I feel like you fall apart when you get pressure for something as scum.

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[Seprix]

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.

[gkrieg13]

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.

I'm pretty sure the plan should work.  I couldn't find anything except for someone forgetting to make the action

[Seprix]

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.

I'm pretty sure the plan should work.  I couldn't find anything except for someone forgetting to make the action

I wasn't talking about that. 

Yeah, I guess we can take a guaranteed scum kill. It's free information.

[Jimmmmm]

Thanks, this is much more helpful than "Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot".

His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught.

I am nowhere near brave enough to do that as scum. As scum in Speed-Dating Mafia when faust deduced that there were no scum-scum partnerships, I was quite annoyed because it affected my winning chances, but there was no way I was going to say so in the game thread. In this case it's an integrity of the game thing.

His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

Well yeah I write awkwardly sometimes. Sometimes you have to specify what you're talking about so that people can't pedantically correct you. The PM was simply a QT link with no mention of alignment. We don't really have an accepted term for Role Message in a QT.

This actually is a pretty townie defense.  I feel like you fall apart when you get pressure for something as scum.

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Haha thanks I guess?

[silverspawn]

Windblown through the leaves...

Vote Count 1.3

Seprix (2): iguanaiguana, faust
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): chairs, Egork
teamlyle (1): J Reggie
iguanaiguana (1): e
Egork (1): ashersky

Not Voting (4): Haddock, teamlyle, Seprix, gkrieg13

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