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[silverspawn]

Ghost Flips remake

Ouch.  I hope you drew a card full of junk

No, and I actually had two provinces in hand.

... but also some cards coming in with Archive, so I could avoid trashing one.

[LittleFish]

Caravan Guard as Way of the Mouse as Lighthouse.

[AJD]

Caravan Guard as Way of the Mouse as Lighthouse.

Hmm... but the Lighthouse is never in play, so this combo doesn't do anything different from Caravan Guard as Way of the Chameleon, does it?

[mxdata]

Caravan Guard as Way of the Mouse as Lighthouse.

Hmm... but the Lighthouse is never in play, so this combo doesn't do anything different from Caravan Guard as Way of the Chameleon, does it?

Yeah, it wouldn't block the attack since Lighthouse isn't actually in play, and by using Mouse as Lighthouse, you don't even get the +1 Card that Caravan Guard normally gives, making it less useful in most situations

[mxdata]

If +buys are plentiful, then Advance + Looters is an interesting combo.  Had a game where my opponent kept giving me ruins with Marauder, and I'd turn around and use Advance to turn them into $5 Action cards.  The Ruins still slowed me down a bit, of course, since they took up space in my hand, and took two shuffles before I could use said $5 Action cards, but it was still a useful way to deal with them

[ipofanes]

I am wondering often which kingdoms would most heavily discourage looters. Way of the Horse has been discussed, but Advance is also very high on the list. Action trashers like Sacrifice and Zombie Apprentice are also good counters, even if not as ubiquitous as the two card-shaped things. Way ot the Turtle would get Ruins out of the way (pun intended) at the cost of an action. Way of the Butterfly rids in a similar fashion but returns Ruins so Marauder will have ammunition till the end of the match. Scrying Pool makes ruins almost transparent, though a Ruined Market on top of an Estate is worse than an Estate as the top of the draw pile. Library sort of mitigates the impact of Ruins though it probably wouldn't discourage opening Marauder.

[spineflu]

I am wondering often which kingdoms would most heavily discourage looters. Way of the Horse has been discussed, but Advance is also very high on the list. Action trashers like Sacrifice and Zombie Apprentice are also good counters, even if not as ubiquitous as the two card-shaped things. Way ot the Turtle would get Ruins out of the way (pun intended) at the cost of an action. Way of the Butterfly rids in a similar fashion but returns Ruins so Marauder will have ammunition till the end of the match. Scrying Pool makes ruins almost transparent, though a Ruined Market on top of an Estate is worse than an Estate as the top of the draw pile. Library sort of mitigates the impact of Ruins though it probably wouldn't discourage opening Marauder.

i think you've gotta consider the VP angle more as a deterrent: museum, tower, and obelisk (selecting the ruins pile) all really discourage you to go in on cultist/marauder

[silverspawn]

(This was against a real player but continued vs bots.)

[mxdata]

(This was against a real player but continued vs bots.)

Damn, did they resign in the middle of that play?

Also, that would be a hell of a play to try to keep track of everything in an IRL game

[ipofanes]

i think you've gotta consider the VP angle more as a deterrent: museum, tower, and obelisk (selecting the ruins pile) all really discourage you to go in on cultist/marauder

The diversity of ruins you are being fed also pays off, besides Museum, with more $$ from Bounty Hunter.

[Jack Rudd]

J plays a Squire.
J gets +$1.
J gets +2 Actions.
J plays an Artificer.
J draws a Copper.
J gets +1 Action.
J gets +$1.
J plays an Artificer.
J draws a Copper.
J gets +1 Action.
J gets +$1.
J plays a Shanty Town.
J gets +2 Actions.
J reveals their hand: a Gold, a Fortune and 2 Coppers.
J draws a Shanty Town and a Catacombs.
J plays a Catacombs.
J looks at 2 Golds and a Copper.
J puts a Copper and 2 Golds into their hand.
J plays a Shanty Town.
J gets +2 Actions.
J reveals their hand: 3 Golds, a Fortune and 3 Coppers.
J draws a Copper and a Sacred Grove.
J plays a Sacred Grove.
J gets +1 Buy.
J gets +$3.
J takes The Sea's Gift.
J receives The Sea's Gift.
J draws a Squire.
J discards The Sea's Gift.
D draws a card.
J plays a Squire.
J gets +$1.
J gets +2 Buys.
J plays 3 Golds and 4 Coppers. (+$13)
J plays a Fortune.
J gets +1 Buy.
J buys and gains 5 Provinces.
J draws a Curse, a Copper, an Estate, a Shanty Town and an Artificer.

[spineflu]

just had a game with Procession, Rats, Tomb, and no other trashing; it was worth it to do a full Rats overrun and just buy copper every turn for VP tokens.

[ipofanes]

i think you've gotta consider the VP angle more as a deterrent: museum, tower, and obelisk (selecting the ruins pile) all really discourage you to go in on cultist/marauder

The diversity of ruins you are being fed also pays off, besides Museum, with more $$ from Bounty Hunter.

Also, you can stack up a bit more with Conclaves to mitigate the effect of (and capitalize on the variety and card type of) Ruins. This would not be enough to be a deterrent.

[NoMoreFun]

Last turn of the game. 1 Province left, and I can afford to buy it and tie. However I can't see a win with no +buy in the kingdom.

Then I remembered something. I had Necromancer in my hand so I could play a Zombie Mason with it, hit one of the many $4 cards in my deck, gain a Duchy and win instead of tie.

The Zombie Mason hit a Province and I lost the game.

Don't get greedy.

[silverspawn]

That was the right choice though unless you knew the top card or had more provinces than hits.

[AJD]

Depends. How much better is winning than tying, and how much better is tying than losing? A guaranteed tie might well be a better bet than x% chance of a win, y% of a tie, and z% of a loss, depending on the values of x, y, and z.

[NoMoreFun]

From memory the rulebook actually says you "both win" if you get the same score in the same number of turns, but Dominion Online says "you tie".

[Geronimoo]

Last turn of the game. 1 Province left, and I can afford to buy it and tie. However I can't see a win with no +buy in the kingdom.

Then I remembered something. I had Necromancer in my hand so I could play a Zombie Mason with it, hit one of the many $4 cards in my deck, gain a Duchy and win instead of tie.

The Zombie Mason hit a Province and I lost the game.

Don't get greedy.

Let's say you have 7 targets of $4 and 3 Provinces in a 30 card deck. So 20/30 ties, 7/30 wins and 3/30 losses. 7-3 = 4. So your EV (expected value) is positive and you should go for it. If however you have a lower rating than your opponent, a tie is worth more than 0 and your EV for taking the risk might be lower than not taking the risk.

[silverspawn]

Isn't the rating system such that the difference between a win and a draw is always identical to that between a draw and a loss?

MicQ linked me to the implementation of the system once but I was too lazy to work through it so I'm still not sure.

[AJD]

Isn't the rating system such that the difference between a win and a draw is always identical to that between a draw and a loss?

Beats me, but then we can just add in "How much do you care about the rating system?" to the set of relevant questions.

I don't care about the rating system, and I respect the fact that according to the Dominion rule book a tie is equivalent to a win; so my judgment about whether to go for the risky win over the certain tie in that scenario might be different than someone who assigns different values to those factors.

[Honkeyfresh]

From memory the rulebook actually says you "both win" if you get the same score in the same number of turns, but Dominion Online says "you tie".

If the person forcing the tie went first they lose.  If the person forcing the tie went second then it's a tie.

[mxdata]

From memory the rulebook actually says you "both win" if you get the same score in the same number of turns, but Dominion Online says "you tie".

If the person forcing the tie went first they lose.  If the person forcing the tie went second then it's a tie.

Yes, that's basically what NoMoreFun said - "same score in the same number of turns"

[GendoIkari]

From memory the rulebook actually says you "both win" if you get the same score in the same number of turns, but Dominion Online says "you tie".

Since the Dominion rules don't give any sort of indication of a proper ranking system, that's completely up to the implementers of any such ranking system, and I don't see any problem with awarding "you both win" differently than "you alone win". And then whether you show that to the user as "both win" or as "tie" is simply a meaningless wording choice.

[mxdata]

I had a Kiln, 3 Coppers, and a Monastery in my hand at the start of my turn.  Destrier was on the board.  I played Kiln, then used it on the first Copper, so that the gained Copper reduced Destrier's cost to $5, allowing me to buy it.  Then, in my Night phase, the Copper I'd gained from Kiln allowed me to trash one extra Copper from play, cancelling out that gained Copper

[mxdata]

So, I just had a game with Orchard, Rats, Transmogrify, Hireling, Marauder, and Piazza, along with a bunch of other non-terminal Actions (plus one alt-VP card).  It ended up being a rather interesting game.  Rats would turn junk into more Rats (and it helped that my opponent used Marauder quite a bit, giving Rats plenty of fuel), then Transmogrify would turn those Rats into other Actions.  Hireling helped to increase the likelihood of lining up a Rats with a Transmogrify, while Piazza occasionally hit a Rats, but by using Piazza after the Hireling draws, I avoided having to trash any good cards.  So, I was careful to keep the number of Rats right around 3 while racking up Orchard points with Transmogrified Rats.  At the end of the game, I had *32 points* from Orchard alone, and the trash was full of Rats, Coppers, Ruins, and Shelters, and a handful of other cards