Right so there's S_P's whole posting style, which I find scummy because it's all reasonable and quiet and agreeable.
We disagree early on about WW's slip : he thinks it's a fake townslip and I think if anything it's a scumslip. I still have no idea how the former makes any sense, but that's probably townie, because not making sense is townie (unless you're faust). Like, it's based on the idea that scum!WW would fake something that isn't even close to looking like a townslip (but S_P argues that it does look like a townslip at first glance). Again, makes zero sense to me...
I still like the Yuma vote. I think more people should like it, too.
Eh. How do you feel about Teproc? Out of the two, he comes across as more disingenuous to me.
I don't know, I could see him believing what he's saying. I'd say it's like Yuma > Teproc > Faust > Silver.
Not sure yet where e (playing defense) and Scott (commenting but not voting) come in.
Well I would have voted but it seemed like there were a lot of people voting for you and I was too lazy to check the vote count.
But anyway, the daychat thing makes you look pretty solidly towny to me now. I mean I suppose it's possible that you did some crazy mastermind nested fake slip thing, but if that's the case, I'm pretty sure we just lose and you get MVP.
And then when the actual townslip is found, which is to say something with which the previous argument could work, he just accepts it as a townslip. Now that I find scummy.
Anyway, I think vote: Teproc is best for now. The whole thing looks to me like he's really trying to catch someone for something, trying to get a big case rolling, but the actual arguments he makes, aside from not really making sense, just sound...fake.
Well, it is an accurate description of how I play early D1 (making mountains out of molehills to get the game rolling), but it's also OMGUS, so... null.
Then we fight a lot, whatever. Actually not whatever, rereading it I'm feeling a bit townier on S_P. It feels like what we're arguing about is completely alignment-irrelevant though, and scum obviously loves to get into that.
There are a few mentions of Limetime being inactive, nothing particularly notable.
Then there's the thing I'm still not interested in talking about. Don't get much from that aside from, you know, rage.
Noo mention of Limetime, despite him being a wagon on day 2
And then we get to day 3.
But WW immediately bought into the "there has to be scum among Doctors" narrative. That's not a winning strategy for scum.
Well I think since yesterday, the docs should have been going pretty hard after each other, it's actually weird to me that they weren't doing that more. From their perspective it was like a 60% chance each other was scum I think instead of like 30%. Everything changes today, except I think we can't know the probabilities exactly without knowing what neighborhood yuma was in (which I'm not saying someone should claim). My intuition says that the probability a doc is scum actually goes down today relative to a random player, but the fact that yuma was NK'd is a little odd. Really it's odd in any situation though. If they went for him knowing he wasn't protected, they should be aware of how that looks for them.
It's possible I guess that scum doesn't have a doc, and they killed yuma hoping that would make it really look like they do have a doc, so it sets up two mislynches, which, if that actually happens, wins them the game. So it would be a pretty risky play but I guess they might think it's worth it if they think it could potentially win them the game.
It would have made a lot more sense in any case if RR hadn't claimed RB. They might have thought the RB's would think they blocked the kill, except RR's claim means they should have known that wasn't possible. Or maybe they just forgot about it...though honestly out of the players alive I don't think you could pick three of them that wouldn't think about those kinds of things.
I was going to vote for gkrieg but apparently he's at L-1. Well I don't think WW is off the table. I'm a little wary of how quickly the wagon on gkrieg just went. There are still some important probabilities to do today I think.
PPE like a million
See, this is what I'm talking about when I say S_P's posting style. Like, read that and tell me what S_P thinks about yuma dying and what that means regarding the doctor's alignment. I'll wait.
See what I mean ? The whole post you think he's saying doctors aren't scummy from yuma's death and that it might be all a big scum gambit... and then he says he wants to vote gkrieg but he's at L-1, and WW should be possible too... and then he says he's weary of the quickwagon !
I know I said earlier that I expected both scum to bus : but this makes evenmore sense to me. faust goes hard on the bus, and S_P goes "oh my god what a quick wagon ! Abort, abort ! By the way maybe scum took a crazy gambit ! And look at how lynchable WW is !". So I find this very, very scummy.
Yeah I think at least on the surface D3 looks really bad for silverspawn...on the one hand, I sort of get the argument that why would he do that when it was clear gkrieg was going down anyway, but really I think he was pretty committed from the beginning to defending the docs, and then he just wants to look consistent (changing your mind at the end of the day looks like a desperation hammer). Plus, I feel like silverspawn is the sort of player who actually really takes hard evidence into account, and doesn't discard it in favor of reads, which is, well...why I wish I had had more time yesterday to do probabilities. But I still don't really get him just ignoring the arguments that were being made against the docs there. I guess I can sympathize with the concern that the wagon was going fast with no real opposition, although if silver is scum, then he was that opposition, so that would make sense too.
So I guess that means I agree with Teproc on something...I'm not sure how I feel about that. But I think silverspawn's D3 looks so much like what I would expect from scum. I do want to reread him later though because I honestly don't remember much else from him this game, and now we can look for other partner interactions. But I hate rereading...
vote: silverspawn
Pretty obvious, but would be so as both alignments.
I'm a little wary of faust because I feel like he's agreed with me on basically everything this game. At first I thought Teproc's case on him looked really solid, but then faust's defense looked really solid too. My gut says one of {faust, Teproc} is scum, and I think it's more likely Teproc, but at this point I'm worried that it's just a bias that I'm carrying over from earlier in the game.
Actually...I feel like this whole game I've mentally just given faust a pass because he's agree with me on everything and assumed Teproc is scum because he disagrees with me on everything. Now I'm super worried this whole time scum!faust has been doing this to get me on his side.
Although why does scum buddy me specifically, that seems like something people always bring up but in practice doesn't really happen.
This is very townie though, ugh.
Actually, I've been thinking about it and I don't think silverspawn as scum makes a lot of sense. Mostly for the reason faust is saying I'm not scum, which I feel like applies much better to silverspawn, since he was actively defending gkrieg yesterday, whereas I was mostly just late to the party. Actually, I'm not really convinced that the yuma NK implies that scum was planning on gkrieg dying the next day, because why would they want that? The argument I guess is just that scum was going to bus to look good, and that's worth sacrificing one of them to do it? I just don't buy that. But on the other hand, there's not really any other good explanation for it. Let's see:
1. Scum plans on trading gkrieg for yuma, thinking the 1-for-1 trade will work out in their favor
a. They think yuma is particularly worth killing for some reason, or
b. They think gkrieg is going down anyway, or
c. They think the towncred they get from bussing gkrieg is worth it
2. Scum doesn't consider the consequences of killing yuma
a. They just didn't think about how it would look, or
b. They didn't think of yuma as a likely NK candidate
Right now I think 2b is actually the most likely option. This whole time, we've been talking about it like yuma was an IC and a super obvious doc target and of course scum would have foreseen this and so shooting him and implicating the docs was a deliberate choice, but really there's just so many assumptions in that line of reasoning that any of them could have failed and not been incriminating. So actually, in that case, that would make silver look really scummy, because there IS reason for him to defend his partner there. So now I think I've convinced myself again. I'd like to go back and look for partner interactions...I know I keep saying that but it's because I know it's important but I'm too lazy to do it.
Also townie. Followed by a silver reread thatn concludes on not being so interested in a silver lynch anymore.
And then there's a lot of frustration aimed at me. I can empathize.
Alright. I think it's faust/EgorK. S_P took a very unfortaunte stance on day 3, one that looks even worse because of his particular posting style, but he looks very townie after that, much more than Egork ever does.
So now that I've somewhat done due diligence, I'm kinda done with this game, wake me up when you're ready to lynch someone who is not Hydrad or me, S_P.
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