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[Roadrunner7671]

Why are you so obsessed with collecting hammers? That isn't something to be going around collecting. I don't know why people think it is a thing. It shouldn't even be something that is tracked as a stat. Why not track first on a wagon? They mean the same thing... Nothing!

It was a joke. Seeing as I'm already on the wagon, I can't hammer.

The problem with your jokes is...

They're terrible? I know.

[gkrieg13]

Guys I'm not scum. Can we please lynch someone else today?  We can get the same amount of wagon analysis by lynching Joseph and we have a chance at hitting scum. I have contributed more to this game than he has, I've been townier today, and I'M TOWN! 

But seriously?  I get why I am a lynch candidate today, but I don't understand why I'm actually going to be lynches over him

[Roadrunner7671]

Guys I'm not scum. Can we please lynch someone else today?  We can get the same amount of wagon analysis by lynching Joseph and we have a chance at hitting scum. I have contributed more to this game than he has, I've been townier today, and I'M TOWN! 

But seriously?  I get why I am a lynch candidate today, but I don't understand why I'm actually going to be lynches over him

It's because we think you're smart enough to pull this off.

[gkrieg13]

Guys I'm not scum. Can we please lynch someone else today?  We can get the same amount of wagon analysis by lynching Joseph and we have a chance at hitting scum. I have contributed more to this game than he has, I've been townier today, and I'M TOWN! 

But seriously?  I get why I am a lynch candidate today, but I don't understand why I'm actually going to be lynches over him

It's because we think you're smart enough to pull this off.

I don't even know what that means. It clearly wasn't a planned thing. It would be an awful plan anyway.

[Roadrunner7671]

Guys I'm not scum. Can we please lynch someone else today?  We can get the same amount of wagon analysis by lynching Joseph and we have a chance at hitting scum. I have contributed more to this game than he has, I've been townier today, and I'M TOWN! 

But seriously?  I get why I am a lynch candidate today, but I don't understand why I'm actually going to be lynches over him

It's because we think you're smart enough to pull this off.

I don't even know what that means. It clearly wasn't a planned thing. It would be an awful plan anyway.

I think if that could be pulled off, it would be amazing. But at L-1, I could see why you'd disagree.

Just in case you die, you're town, and Twilight gets cut short (2 of those are unlikely), do you want to post reads?

[gkrieg13]

I'm not a computer right now to look over everything.

I will say I'm a VT

[Roadrunner7671]

Does anyone else think it's likely that scum would claim 1-shot Cop?

[Awaclus]

I'm not a computer right now

Are you usually a computer?

[Awaclus]

Does anyone else think it's likely that scum would claim 1-shot Cop?

Not really. Why?

[gkrieg13]

I wish I were a PR though.

[Roadrunner7671]

Does anyone else think it's likely that scum would claim 1-shot Cop?

Not really. Why?

Cause it seems like there's a possibility for two of them, so it would be a safe PR claim. Am I missing something?
Ppe

[Witherweaver]

How often do scum have day talk? If it's often enough I can believe adk/gkrieg pulled off that song and dance

It only needed to be ADK deciding it was a good idea.  Gkrieg could have been just acting normally, thinking it was his best play to hammer (or at least state intending to hammer) ADK.  Scum!Gkrieg could have expected ADK to claim something and not have to vote.  I did this exact same thing to Scott Pilgrim in the one Mafia setup where we all got cards to pick the roll, and we were Werewolves.  I think you were in that game.

[Awaclus]

Cause it seems like there's a possibility for two of them, so it would be a safe PR claim. Am I missing something?

What are you expecting to get out of such a claim though? Your claim is safe so you can't out a town PR that way, and it won't give you any town cred, and you probably shouldn't claim to have the shot left at this point so there's really no benefit to it.

[iguanaiguana]

"I swear I saw him winking at ruined village yesterday!"

Vote Count 2.8
Gkrieg13 (5): Witherweaver, Awaclus, Hydrad, Roadrunner7671, Yuma [L-1]
Joseph2302 (4): gkrieg13, Axxle, silverspawn, Chairs (L-2)
silverspawn (1): Joseph2302

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 will last 10 days. The deadline for Day 2 will be Sunday, March 13 at 11PM forum time.

[gkrieg13]

I will post reads and a wagon analysis of today tomorrow morning if I'm alive. Someone please unvote so I don't get hammered during the night here

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote
You can have a chance I guess.

[gkrieg13]

Unvote
You can have a chance I guess.

Thanks. Now I can actually sleep tonight

[Joseph2302]

Vote: rr

I could definitely go for this.  But I think he is just being careless, instead of doing it intentionally.

The problem with RR is that he's hard to read, because lots of his stuff is jokey.

He does keep the game active though , which I guess is pro-town.

[Joseph2302]

Also, the 2 main lynch wagons are now both claimed VTs.
Maybe time to look elsewhere?

[Joseph2302]

I think scum!Gkrieg would claim a PR here, because it would give him a free pass today.

[Axxle]

Also, the 2 main lynch wagons are now both claimed VTs.
Maybe time to look elsewhere?

Nah, let's not out our prs

[Joseph2302]

Also, the 2 main lynch wagons are now both claimed VTs.
Maybe time to look elsewhere?

Nah, let's not out our prs

I guess, hitting PR is pretty bad, and hitting VT is much less bad.
But hitting scum basically wins us the game.

[Roadrunner7671]

Also, the 2 main lynch wagons are now both claimed VTs.
Maybe time to look elsewhere?

Look elsewhere and force more clsims? No, thanks!

[yuma]

The thing with claims is that I have no idea what mafia would do in this situation. Claiming a PR sounds nice, but that just means you will get likely get lynched on a later day. VT is playing more of the long game, but might just get lynched immediately because of it.

So that is to say, the claims from both players doesn't really influence me one way or the other. It is good info to have certainly, but doesn't change my reads on them

[yuma]

One thing we do know with ADK's flip is that we must in one of these setups:

TTTT = 1-Shot Strongman; Roleblocker
TTT = 1-Shot Strongman; Roleblocker
TT = Strongman; Roleblocker
T = Strongman; Roleblocker
0 Ts = Strongman; Roleblocker; 1-Shot Bulletproof****

So the most amount we could have is TTTT thus XX for PRs. With XX we could just have one role (EE or CC or VV) + Universal Backup. Taking into account the other 2 mafia players + faust (VT), we have 10 players alive and at most 6 VTs.

Joseph and gkrieg have already claimed VT. It would take more than 4 more VT claims to indicate that someone from that VT claiming pool is lying. So basically I just showed that getting a lot of claims isn't really going to help us (duh! everyone already knew that I just went through the effort to show it to myself definitively).

But it did remind me of an interesting point. If mafia know we are in TTTT or TTT they may be less likely to claim a PR knowing that there are going to be less PR slots available by default and don't want to get stuck in that sort of a trap.

What I will say is that I think it is somewhat unlikely that both gkrieg and joseph are mafia as I think one of them would have claimed a PR if they were partners...