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[Witherweaver]

I don't really disagree, but it was the third successful LyLo for me, so it's nice to get a nod for one of them

[Haddock]

I think everyone did a good job here during the last day.

I want to say however that I think it's debatable to give MVPs to players who "figure it out" at LyLo. It's the thing that is most present in the mod's mind of course, and in the end WW did make a decision that could have won or lost the game. However, the scum lynches D1 and D2 were at least as important, and e was the driving force behind those. Also if you're alive until LyLo as a VT, that is usually a sign that you did something wrong. You did not play townie enough to tempt mafia to nightkill you, and VTs want to be nightkilled to protect PRs. That is of course less of an issue in this game, when the first 4 kills were all ICs. Still e got killed over WW, meaning he played more townie. Ww just didn't do much until the very end, and that is why scum (i.e. Awaclus) felt comfortable leaving him alive.

Dude, I just reread the whole game.

WW's reads were stone-cold incredible all the way through the game.  e was close behind for the reasons you mentioned, but every time e had a good read, so did WW.  And WW got it right at LyLo on top of that.

Forgive me if this comes off as defensive.  But after this game of all games, I'd react defensively to anything.

[Witherweaver]

I agree e had a really great game. 

[faust]

I think everyone did a good job here during the last day.

I want to say however that I think it's debatable to give MVPs to players who "figure it out" at LyLo. It's the thing that is most present in the mod's mind of course, and in the end WW did make a decision that could have won or lost the game. However, the scum lynches D1 and D2 were at least as important, and e was the driving force behind those. Also if you're alive until LyLo as a VT, that is usually a sign that you did something wrong. You did not play townie enough to tempt mafia to nightkill you, and VTs want to be nightkilled to protect PRs. That is of course less of an issue in this game, when the first 4 kills were all ICs. Still e got killed over WW, meaning he played more townie. Ww just didn't do much until the very end, and that is why scum (i.e. Awaclus) felt comfortable leaving him alive.

Dude, I just reread the whole game.

WW's reads were stone-cold incredible all the way through the game.  e was close behind for the reasons you mentioned, but every time e had a good read, so did WW.  And WW got it right at LyLo on top of that.

Forgive me if this comes off as defensive.  But after this game of all games, I'd react defensively to anything.

Maybe WW's reads just didn't stick out to me as much. Anyway I'm not so much trying to argue that WW doesn't deserve the title - he does - but instead point to a larger issue that I have seen in various games.

[gkrieg13]

I feel like Awaclus has been scum in more games than town in the games I've been in

[Haddock]

Just wanted to put out a thanks to ashersky for comodding.  I definitely needed someone to lend a hand, particularly since I always ended up not being about for crucial things.
I leant pretty hard, so thanks ash.

[2.71828.....]

Thanks for the comments about my play.  I have to admit one reason I tunneled silverspawn was because I knew if he was scum I would get mvp if he were scum.  I really did think he could have been the last scum, and I wanted to make sure if I lost I didn't lose to scum!silverspawn (or had I been alive the next day scum!awaclus). 

WW did have a good game though.  He was correctly on all 3 scum lynches.  I always say the vote record is the one thing that doesn't lie, and he lynched all the scum and helped town win, so a good MVP nod.

I feel like I was close here in M75, closer in M76, but watch out.  I will get that MVP eventually.

[silverspawn]

I think being NK early and being NK'd late or not being NK'd at all are all about equal

If you get NK'd one day later, it means you weren't as towny.
If you get NK'd one day later, it means you avoided mislynch one more day.

So-- since e pushed my lynch, I'd say WW deserves it a bit more. Otherwise, probably e.

[Haddock]

Thanks for the comments about my play.  I have to admit one reason I tunneled silverspawn was because I knew if he was scum I would get mvp if he were scum.  I really did think he could have been the last scum, and I wanted to make sure if I lost I didn't lose to scum!silverspawn (or had I been alive the next day scum!awaclus). 

WW did have a good game though.  He was correctly on all 3 scum lynches.  I always say the vote record is the one thing that doesn't lie, and he lynched all the scum and helped town win, so a good MVP nod.

I feel like I was close here in M75, closer in M76, but watch out.  I will get that MVP eventually.

If I could give 2...
You both had great games.

[Ampharos]

I also basically decided two days ago, but I wanted to hold off and see how Amph and Awaclus behaved.  I was about to jump come and vote Awaclus, but he had already voted when I checked in.  Not sure if it would have made a difference, but then the decision would have been up to Amph.  I suppose he was going to go for Awaclus regardless.

I was pretty much set on Awaclus shortly after I started re-reading.  I felt I was in the position of being slightly more towny than either of you, and was hoping that I wouldn't have had to start the vote.  If you went for Awaclus, I was going to follow it right away though.

Great game to all, special thanks to Awaclus for humoring me all game

[Ampharos]

And yes, I put big stock on Faust and e's comments this game - the two of you were very helpful in my rereads - thanks!

[iguanaiguana]

Ampharos plays a scummy town game up until the end, and then delivers when it counts. I like his style.

[faust]

I think being NK early and being NK'd late or not being NK'd at all are all about equal

If you get NK'd one day later, it means you weren't as towny.
If you get NK'd one day later, it means you avoided mislynch one more day.

So-- since e pushed my lynch, I'd say WW deserves it a bit more. Otherwise, probably e.

I'm just bitter because I never make it to LyLo as town.

[Awaclus]

I'm super confused. I thought Awaclus was a confirmed IC here, because if he had been scum in this game, he would have had to get a sub becasue he doesn't have enough time to make six different false quicktopics.

Well, I thought that counting on that making me an IC had at least the potential of being a good play. As it turns out, I really should just have /outed.

[Witherweaver]

I'm super confused. I thought Awaclus was a confirmed IC here, because if he had been scum in this game, he would have had to get a sub becasue he doesn't have enough time to make six different false quicktopics.

Well, I thought that counting on that making me an IC had at least the potential of being a good play. As it turns out, I really should just have /outed.

I think if you didn't tall about the QT stuff at all, and didn't try to make one, it may have made the difference.

[Teproc]

WW is like Leo. He had to get it at some point right (I'm sure WW's got plenty of MVPs before but you know what I mean).

Now, I do feel a bit queasy about... something related to QT quoting, yay. Sorry about that, though it's not about the main issue, it's about Ampharos quoting me specifically. It feels wrong to me ? Mainly because someone who knows me well could recognize my style and figure that those quotes were definitely not fabricated, especially by someone like Ampharos who hasn't played that much with me. Now, the quotes being true don't mean they come from town I suppose, but it still seems a bit problematic.

Oh, and I do want to apologize to Haddock for having the start of the game get so... dramatic. I would not have liked to have to deal with all that crap as a first-time mod, and it's worth pointing out that Haddock handled it as well as could be, so thanks for that.

e, have you never gotten an MVP ? Maybe you're the real Leo in this situation. Gotta start doing memes about it.

[ashersky]

My writing of the Teproc rule (see my latest set of rules) covers this completely.

[Awaclus]

I just read the speccy.

I feel the urge to allow QT quoting in all my future games just to make a statement for Awaclus. I guess that's not the best reason to do so.

Well, if you don't want me to play your games, then simply add the rule "you can't sign up for this game if your name Awaclus". It's a far simpler and better way to do it than breaking the game to the point where you can be sure I won't want to play it.

[Witherweaver]

WW is like Leo. He had to get it at some point right (I'm sure WW's got plenty of MVPs before but you know what I mean).

Now, I do feel a bit queasy about... something related to QT quoting, yay. Sorry about that, though it's not about the main issue, it's about Ampharos quoting me specifically. It feels wrong to me ? Mainly because someone who knows me well could recognize my style and figure that those quotes were definitely not fabricated, especially by someone like Ampharos who hasn't played that much with me. Now, the quotes being true don't mean they come from town I suppose, but it still seems a bit problematic.

Oh, and I do want to apologize to Haddock for having the start of the game get so... dramatic. I would not have liked to have to deal with all that crap as a first-time mod, and it's worth pointing out that Haddock handled it as well as could be, so thanks for that.

e, have you never gotten an MVP ? Maybe you're the real Leo in this situation. Gotta start doing memes about it.

Actually, I had only gotten MVP once before, but I didn't remember that I had, so it did feel like Leo to me~

[2.71828.....]

Axxle had been prodded for the second time.

[Roadrunner7671]

Axxle had been prodded for the second time.

Lol

[2.71828.....]

Axxle had been prodded for the second time.

I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread

[2.71828.....]

Sorry for taking about ongoing games in the wrong thread. I will mod kill myself now