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[Ampharos]

Eh I guess nothing.  Unification or something.

[Ampharos]

Here. Finished goong throuh thread, would post what I take from it later. What caught my eye on last couple of pages is how Awaclus hypocritically requires RR to share his QT

How is it hypocritical? I have already shared that my QT doesn't have anything in it (and never will).

lol

[Ampharos]

So on the Egor lynch, WW is 2nd, awaclus hammers.

[Ampharos]

For the record, I'm actually writing a QT now. It contains the explanations for things that I wouldn't otherwise explain, so I don't want to share it unless it comes down to that.

Must have missed this before.

[Witherweaver]

So on the Egor lynch, WW is 2nd, awaclus hammers.

I wanted Egor Day 1, no one else did.  I was on him pretty much all of Day 2.  I hope that it's clear I'm not partners with him.

[Ampharos]

Awaclus looks worse for avoiding the Silverspawn wagon.

This is a pretty critical post, methinks. 

Why does town!WW say this?  If he thinks SS is scum, he wouldn't say this, so he must think Awaclus is scum.  Why does scum!Awaclus avoid a mislynch wagon?  Maybe so that he gains some town cred?
Why does scum!WW say this?  That one's easy - to try to get either one of them bumped off by making them both look bad.

Hmm.  Nothing conclusive here but it's definitely something that is easier to lean scum.

[Witherweaver]

Awaclus looks worse for avoiding the Silverspawn wagon.

This is a pretty critical post, methinks. 

Why does town!WW say this?  If he thinks SS is scum, he wouldn't say this, so he must think Awaclus is scum.  Why does scum!Awaclus avoid a mislynch wagon?  Maybe so that he gains some town cred?
Why does scum!WW say this?  That one's easy - to try to get either one of them bumped off by making them both look bad.

Hmm.  Nothing conclusive here but it's definitely something that is easier to lean scum.

I didn't think that SS was necessarily town when I said that.   I can explain this now, I suppose.

Silverspawn is at L-1.  Silverspawn lynched is obviously good for scum!Awaclus.  Scum!Awaclus appearing eager for the lynch makes him look bad the next day, and scum needs to survive two days here.  However, you can't just ignore it.. as scum you feel pressure to weigh in on critical situations.. so basically your choice is hammer or find a reasonable way not to hammer.  Not hammering  also makes you look better because you can use the "why wouldn't I want to kill him as scum?" argument (which Awaclus did).  Starting an alternate wagon is the best-looking thing to do here.  It shows (for today) that you weren't eager for the SS lynch.  If town!Ampharos ends up getting lynched instead of Silverspawn, then SS is an obvious target for the day.

Basically, scum!Awaclus going after a non-SS target (me or you) is the best scum play there, so he looks scummier for doing it.

Notably, Awaclus goes ahead and hammers SS later anyway:

Actually you know what, let's just do this. If you can't explain why you're town, you probably aren't.

Vote: silverspawn

I'm inclined to think (actually, very strongly inclined) that town!Awaclus would have simply voted without adding that extra explanation.

[Ampharos]

FRICK this is hard. 

And yes, that makes sense.

You also get town points because e clears you on Day 5.

[Ampharos]

I just thought of this... Ampharos, did you get access to Teproc's QT when he subbed in?

I think scum would rather not bring this up.

Speaking of that, WW have you posted yours?

[Witherweaver]

Besides, where did I even say that I was convinced that e would be the NK? I just stated that he was very likely to be an IC.

Aside from the obvious, there is this:

Why would scum!me want to enter D6 with me, you and silverspawn alive, given that both you and ss want to lynch me?

[Witherweaver]

I just thought of this... Ampharos, did you get access to Teproc's QT when he subbed in?

I think scum would rather not bring this up.

Speaking of that, WW have you posted yours?

No, I can.

[Witherweaver]

Only four posts:

Hoorah

After Day 2:

Huh, I actually thought Egor was town after Faust's treatment. Good thing I didn't unvote. I was about to make a case against Faust too.

RR of course looks bad.. he always does, no matter what his alignment is.

Earlier today:

Yeah I think it's Awaclus.

That QT looks extensively fabricated. What's the point of the "I suspect Amph" setup if e was assumed to be the kill? It seems all kinds of fake.

Awaclus SS hammer is really bad. Especially with the excuse for voting.

[Ampharos]

FRICK this is hard. 

And yes, that makes sense.

You also get town points because e clears you on Day 5.

Wait no, day 4.

[Ampharos]

Can you just straightup copy/paste it and delete Haddock's posts?  So it looks all ugly and what not.

[Witherweaver]

Like this?

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Awaclus SS hammer is really bad. Especially with the excuse for voting.
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Yeah I think it's Awaclus.

That QT looks extensively fabricated. What's the point of the "I suspect Amph" setup if e was assumed to be the kill? It seems all kinds of fake.
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Huh, I actually thought Egor was town after Faust's treatment. Good thing I didn't unvote. I was about to make a case against Faust too.

RR of course looks bad.. he always does, no matter what his alignment is.
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Hoorah

[Ampharos]

Okay, I guess you guys talked about it.  I had trouble seeing scum! SS from Day 1

Ooo this is townie.  SS is a major suspect here and throwing weight off the wagon here is a bad play for scum.

[Witherweaver]

For clarity, the post regarding Egor and Faust was after the lynch, which I wasn't online for.  I specifically remembering thinking that I was wrong because of something Faust did.  I remember thinking up a case against Faust, and I think I was going to make it the next day or something, but when I woke up Egor had been hammered.  At least that's how I think it went down.

[Awaclus]

I'm inclined to think (actually, very strongly inclined) that town!Awaclus would have simply voted without adding that extra explanation.

Well, you think wrong. I didn't add the explanation to explain why I hammered him, I did it to emphasize my belief that it's your own responsibility to prove that you're town (as opposed to it being the responsibility of the people on your wagon to prove that you're scum), because that was a very clear example of a situation where I didn't have to prove anyone why I thought silverspawn was scum and I could still hammer him regardless, whereas the only way for him to prevent it from happening would have been convincing me otherwise.

Besides, where did I even say that I was convinced that e would be the NK? I just stated that he was very likely to be an IC.

Aside from the obvious, there is this:

Why would scum!me want to enter D6 with me, you and silverspawn alive, given that both you and ss want to lynch me?

That's a hypothetical situation where I'm scum. I'm not actually scum, so whatever I said regarding that hypothetical situation obviously doesn't apply to the actual game.

[Witherweaver]

Anyway that makes me like the chairs wagon less, and in turn the Egor wagon more. So tentative intent to hammer. It won't happen before Lekkit had a chance to post though.

Ohh, I think this was the post.  It gave me a scum feeling and made me want to switch from Egor to Faust. 

[Ampharos]

I'm pretty sure it's Awaclus at this point.

1) He distracts everyone with talk about QTs.
2) He tunnels RR most of the game.  Super easy tunnel target cause RR is always someone people talk about a lot.
3) WW goes after Egork a lot over multiple days.  He also hammers Hydrad D1.
4) Does scum Awaclus hammer Egork?  I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. 
5) Awaclus says he will never write a QT - is very adamant about this - then writes one late in the game.
6) WW is believed to be town by e.

I'm going back to do a little more reading.

[Witherweaver]

Let's look at final votes:

Day 1 End

Final Vote Count:

2.7 (1): EgorK
Awaclus (1): Ampharos
Ampharos (1): Lekkit
RR (2): SS, Awaclus
Hydrad (7): gkrieg13, chairs, faust, ADK, 2.7, RR, WW
gkrieg13 (1): Hydrad

Not Voting (0):

Both Amph and Awaclus off scum lynch.

RR (1): Lekkit
chairs (2): Ampharos, ADK
Egor (6): WW, chairs, 2.7, SS, faust, Awaclus
SS (1): EgorK

Not Voting (1): RR

Awaclus on scum lynch, Amph off

RR (1): Awaclus
Lekkit (5): faust, chairs, 2.7, SS, WW
Awaclus (2): RR, Ampharos

Not Voting (1): Lekkit

Both Awaclus and Ampharos off mislynch

RR (4): Awaclus, SS, Witherweaver, 2.7
Ampharos (1): chairs
SS (1): RR
Awaclus (1): Ampharos

Awaclus on mislynch, Amph off

SS (3): 2.7, Ampharos, Awaclus

Not Voting (2): WW, SS

Both Awaclus and Amph on mislynch.

So Awaclus is on one mislynch that Amph isn't, and on one scum lynch that Amph isn't.  Awaclus on RR almost every day.  Ampharos ended up on Awaclus multiple days. 

[Ampharos]

THIS IS HARD.

I went into the reread leaning scum!WW, but after it, I'm leaning scum!awaclus.  I think that's a good sign, but I need to clear my head.

I'm going to leave for a while, do some work, listen to some LCS, and come back later. 

[Awaclus]

1) He distracts everyone with talk about QTs.
2) He tunnels RR most of the game.  Super easy tunnel target cause RR is always someone people talk about a lot.
3) WW goes after Egork a lot over multiple days.  He also hammers Hydrad D1.
4) Does scum Awaclus hammer Egork?  I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. 
5) Awaclus says he will never write a QT - is very adamant about this - then writes one late in the game.
6) WW is believed to be town by e.

1) Can you give me a rational explanation how me "talking about QTs" distracted anyone? You might want to take into account that two thirds of the scum team was successfully lynched during the first two days while doing so.

It's trivial to tell that I'm town just from the fact that I'm still playing this game given these rules. I am extremely adamant and elitist about always playing for the win, which you can easily confirm if you look up any of my forum posts regarding playing for the win. I would not be able to forgive myself for the rest of my life if I ever played a game with any intentions other than winning it at all costs. I was able to play for the win in this game because I happened to be town, which is why I didn't quit when the rules clarification was announced.

2) Can you give me a rational explanation how RR refusing to share his QT was a pro-town play? If someone refuses to make a play which is obviously pro-town, that person is confirmed scum and there's no need to look any further until that person is lynched.

3) 4) Finding me scummy for hammering EgorK while finding WW towny for hammering Hydrad is confirmation bias.

5) Writing one improved town's chances of winning and apparently we really needed those chances, given that it doesn't even look like it's going to be enough.

6) And so was I.

[Awaclus]

THIS IS HARD.

I went into the reread leaning scum!WW, but after it, I'm leaning scum!awaclus.

You mean after WW started liking my lynch more than I'm liking his lynch?

[Witherweaver]

Me hammering Hydrad is basically null, as he was counterclaimed.