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[eHalcyon]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

[LastFootnote]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

In a culinary sense, strawberries are fruit. In a botanical sense, I don't care. So I'm siding with eHalcyon here.

[eHalcyon]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

In a culinary sense, strawberries are fruit. In a botanical sense, I don't care. So I'm siding with eHalcyon here.

I prefer the botanical sense (tomatoes are fruit!). Strawberries are an accessory fruit, which is still a fruit. These are sometimes called "false fruit", but that term is considered inapt by botanists (according to wikipedia, citation provided).

I don't think it is considered a nut in any sense. Nuts have hard shells by definition. But even if strawberries were nuts, they would still be fruit, because nuts are fruit by botanical definition too!

[Awaclus]

He's also within 200 respect of you too.

But it was me who surpassed him some time ago.

EDIT: The list (and a bunch of other lists) are here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=stats

Which I had to check recently after I was shocked to realize how big my total time online was, to make sure that at least some forum gamers still had a bigger amount than me.

[scott_pilgrim]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

In a culinary sense, strawberries are fruit. In a botanical sense, I don't care. So I'm siding with eHalcyon here.

I got into an argument with someone recently about whether avocados are fruits or vegetables.  I'm willing to accept that they might technically be fruits, but I think it's totally impractical to refer to them as such in the real world, because functionally, they always get used at the same time as vegetables.  Someone should be able to ask me "What vegetables do you want on your burger?" and I can say "Avocado"; rather than them asking me "What vegetables and/or avocado do you want on your burger?"

Maybe this is just an issue of descriptivism vs. prescriptivism though.

[LostPhoenix]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

In a culinary sense, strawberries are fruit. In a botanical sense, I don't care. So I'm siding with eHalcyon here.

I got into an argument with someone recently about whether avocados are fruits or vegetables.  I'm willing to accept that they might technically be fruits, but I think it's totally impractical to refer to them as such in the real world, because functionally, they always get used at the same time as vegetables.  Someone should be able to ask me "What vegetables do you want on your burger?" and I can say "Avocado"; rather than them asking me "What vegetables and/or avocado do you want on your burger?"

Maybe this is just an issue of descriptivism vs. prescriptivism though.

Technically, if something has a pit or seeds, then it's a fruit.  That would include avocados, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers, and zucchini.

[Watno]

Also Roshan.

[LastFootnote]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

In a culinary sense, strawberries are fruit. In a botanical sense, I don't care. So I'm siding with eHalcyon here.

I got into an argument with someone recently about whether avocados are fruits or vegetables.  I'm willing to accept that they might technically be fruits, but I think it's totally impractical to refer to them as such in the real world, because functionally, they always get used at the same time as vegetables.  Someone should be able to ask me "What vegetables do you want on your burger?" and I can say "Avocado"; rather than them asking me "What vegetables and/or avocado do you want on your burger?"

Maybe this is just an issue of descriptivism vs. prescriptivism though.

It's an issue of context. In a culinary context, tomatoes, avocados, cucumbers, etc. are vegetables rather than fruits. In a botanical context they're all fruits, because that's the part of the plant they are: the fruit of the plant. In a botanical context, there is no such thing as a vegetable; unlike "fruit", "vegetable" is a purely culinary word.

When ordering a burger, you're very clearly in a culinary context, so avocado is a vegetable.

[Seprix]

tl;dr Don't be that guy who says a tomato is a fruit.

[LastFootnote]

tl;dr Don't be that guy who says a tomato is a fruit.

Amen.

[faust]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, you are.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, also strawberries are not fruit, they're nuts.

No, they are fruit.

In a culinary sense, strawberries are fruit. In a botanical sense, I don't care. So I'm siding with eHalcyon here.

I got into an argument with someone recently about whether avocados are fruits or vegetables.  I'm willing to accept that they might technically be fruits, but I think it's totally impractical to refer to them as such in the real world, because functionally, they always get used at the same time as vegetables.  Someone should be able to ask me "What vegetables do you want on your burger?" and I can say "Avocado"; rather than them asking me "What vegetables and/or avocado do you want on your burger?"

Maybe this is just an issue of descriptivism vs. prescriptivism though.

So mayonnaise is a fruit if you want it on your burger? 

Avocados are obviously fruits, and your statement "because functionally, they always get used at the same time as vegetables." is demonstrably false.  I consume avocados primarily in the context of consuming other fruits---in a smoothie (with e.g., berries, apples, banana), by itself as I might eat an apple (though for avocados I use a spoon and don't eat the skin).  I add them to salads, too, though there I have both fruits and vegetables.

[eHalcyon]

tl;dr Don't be that guy who says a tomato is a fruit.

Boooooo.  Tomatoes are fruit.  I associate them far more with other fruit like oranges and pears than I do with any veggies.

[ConMan]

A vegetable is a bit of a plant you eat. And genetically, I'm pretty sure bananas are a type of fish.

[Witherweaver]

Dammit, Microsoft. As much effort as you put into making things consistent, there are still strides to be made in others.

Working in Excel: Press Alt+E, S to paste special.
Working in Word: Press Alt+E, S to paste special.
Working in PowerPoint: Press Alt+E, S to paste special.
Working in Outlook: Press Alt+E, S to pas…er, no, to fucking send the e-mail before I'm done. RAGERECALL!

It's like Microsoft is trying to kill off us keyboard users without making it look like they are trying to kill us.

LOG(x) in Excel is not the natural logarithm of x.  Like what the shit, Excel?

[silverspawn]

That sounds normal to me. I'm used to log = log10, ld = log2, ln = loge

[Kuildeous]

LOG(x) in Excel is not the natural logarithm of x.  Like what the shit, Excel?

Hmm, my math is rusty, but when you use LOG in calculations isn't the default assumption base 10? For the natural log, you would normally use LN, right?

I do see that Excel is redundant by having LOG() be the same as LOG10(), though you do have an additional argument for LOG() so you can choose your base (not e, though).

[Witherweaver]

LOG(x) in Excel is not the natural logarithm of x.  Like what the shit, Excel?

Hmm, my math is rusty, but when you use LOG in calculations isn't the default assumption base 10? For the natural log, you would normally use LN, right?

I do see that Excel is redundant by having LOG() be the same as LOG10(), though you do have an additional argument for LOG() so you can choose your base (not e, though).

In standard notation for log, we have 1 = log(e).  "ln" is a (less aesthetic) pseudonym.  You rarely ever use another base, but when you do you just denote it log_b.

[liopoil]

log commonly means natural log in mathematics and some math-intensive sciences. Natural log is the only one that comes up naturally, of which all other logs are just a constant multiple away. So I agree that log should be base e by default.

To convert from log(x) to log_b(x) just divide by log(b), which is a constant. Note that this holds whatever base is the default for log.

It is taught in grade schools that log is base ten and ln is base e, which I think is unfortunate.

[Watno]

log_a(n)=O(log_b(n)) anyway

[Witherweaver]

log_a(n)=O(log_b(n)) anyway

Yes, but when you actually need numbers to match to full precision, using archaic and nonstandard definitions of function names is confusing. 

[Seprix]

These logs are the most natural logs you will ever find.

[Witherweaver]

They're better than bad; they're good.

[Kirian]

So all the animals file two by two off the Ark, and Noah tells them to go forth and multiply.  Almost all the animals shuffle/stampede/slither/fly away, but a pair of snakes stays behind.

Noah comes to them and says, "Did you not hear?  Go forth and multiply!"

One of the snakes says, "But... we cannot multiply."

The other snake says, "We are adders."

Noah replies, "Ah, I can help you."  He goes into a nearby forest and returns with some dead and incredibly wet logs.  Then over the course of a day, he fashions the logs into a crude table, complete with benches.  Finally he takes the two adders and places them on the table.

"What shall we do now?" asks one of the snakes.

Noah says happily, "On a log table, even adders can multiply!"

[Kirian]

Also, I think we've had this discussion before.  Spreadsheets were created for accountants first, then we're adopted by engineers and scientists, almost all of whom use log(x) to indicate base 10.  The few exceptions are some physicists and physical chemists, and even the latter still use ln(x) for the natural log.

The sorts of people who use log(x) to mean base e are the people who don't need spreadsheets anyway: mathematicians and computer scientists, and some physicists.