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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day4)
« Reply #1200 on: February 02, 2016, 02:18:27 am »

So, I believe WW because if he is scum he made situation so much worse. Suppose he is not retracting his clai, we are evntually counterclaimed, and there are 1 scum among 3 claimed PRs and 1 among 4 claimed VTs. Now worse case scenario for town other PR just claim. We'd have 2 scum among 5 claimed VTs and 2 IC. Much better for town

I still want feedback on this

This feels more genuine from Egor, like he's actually considering whether or not I'm scum.  On the other hand, scum!Egor knows I'm telling the truth now, so this could just be trying to justify that.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day4)
« Reply #1201 on: February 02, 2016, 02:23:39 am »

Interesting. Teproc, had you used your power N2?

This is clever and fast thinking if Egor is scum.  Only 7 minutes after Teproc posted.  I guess Egor could have had his fake claim actions all lined up, borrowing XP's real actions in case of Tracking/Watching/whatever.  But, really, this makes me believe Egor.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day5)
« Reply #1202 on: February 02, 2016, 02:32:59 am »

Rule clarification please.

The clarification sought here is too vague. Please ask a more precise question to be answered.
Can a town aligned roleblocker roleblock another town aligned roleblocker?

Man, why town-aligned?
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day5)
« Reply #1203 on: February 02, 2016, 02:43:09 am »

And finally to today.  Well, RR comes out of the gates defensive, trying to convince me he's town.  But town!RR should really be considering whether it's me or Egor that is scum.  He says this:

So I'm pretty sure WW is town. By process of elimination, that makes Egor. And there's either a 1/10 chance or a 1/21 chance of Egor being town.

Bur no rushed decisions, anyone!
PPE

but doesn't actually do any work, like rereading.  I mean, the game rests on this decision, you have to do some work here. 
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day6)
« Reply #1204 on: February 02, 2016, 02:46:40 am »

Egor, though, doesn't really have much content.  Not like he did a reread either.  This one post:

I'm town.

Egor, do you think there is a chance I'm scum?

Chance? Yes, until the moment you flip/mod confirmed. Do I think you are last scum? Currently I am pretty sure RR is, but this exact your post make me reluctant vote right away

points towards town to me.  I think scum is more likely to buddy here than to keep up the charade that I could be scum.

scum!Egor could just be stalling; RR ends up voting and confirming me as town before Egor says much substantial.

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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day6)
« Reply #1205 on: February 02, 2016, 02:49:31 am »

I had typed up some night kill analysis on what who is alive indicates, and what each person would have done as scum.  But, really, it'ms mostly WIFOM.   Instead I'm just going to

Vote: Roadrunner

I cannot justify any other decision. 
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day6)
« Reply #1206 on: February 02, 2016, 02:49:55 am »

So sorry if I got it wrong. 
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day6)
« Reply #1207 on: February 02, 2016, 03:49:14 am »

Town wins in 3p LyLo once again. Good job WW
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Day6)
« Reply #1208 on: February 02, 2016, 07:04:28 am »

Oh good. 
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1209 on: February 02, 2016, 10:24:55 am »

Final Day 6 Vote Count

EgorK (1): RR
RR (2): EgorK, WW


With 3 alive it took 2 to lynch.

Roadrunner has been lynched. He was a Mafia Rolecop.

Town Wins!


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Mafia QT

Private QTs may be shared by the individuals they were given to.

MVP: EFHW for being completely and totally right about RR as well as being generally correct throughout the rest of the game.

Night Actions:

Night1:
ashersky rolecops xerxes: Result (Roleblocker)
Teproc watches silverspawn: No Result
ADK cops faust: Result (Not Guilty)

Xerxes night kills faust
RR investigates EFHW: Result (Vanilla)
Awaclus shot changes WW: No effect

Night2:
ADK cops: Teproc: Result (Not Guilty)
Teproc Watches ADK: No Result
EgorK roleblocks Teproc

RR rolecops Teproc: Result (Watcher)
Xerxes roleblocks ss
Xerxes uses Bulletproof
Awaclus night kills ADK

Night3:
Teproc Watches WW: No Result
Egork roleblocks gkrieg

RR rolecops ss: Result (Roleblocker)
Awaclus night kills gkrieg

Night4:
EgorK roleblocks EFHW
ss roleblocks Teproc
Teproc Watches EgorK: No Result

RR kills Teproc
RR rolecops EgorK: Result (Roleblocker)

Night5:
EgorK blocks RR (Out of Shots)
RR strongman kills EFHW

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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1210 on: February 02, 2016, 10:34:57 am »

Hooray.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1211 on: February 02, 2016, 10:37:28 am »

Yay go us!  Why did you guys kill me?
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1212 on: February 02, 2016, 10:38:36 am »

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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1213 on: February 02, 2016, 10:39:53 am »

Man, I knew that was coming, but I'm still disappointed.
Good game.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1214 on: February 02, 2016, 10:42:14 am »

I don't feel so guilty about the SS lynch yesterday.  I mean, the argument is that he wouldn't play that badly as scum, but why would he has town?  His claim really came off as more desperate to me; it looked like he was grasping at straws.

I agree that the probability arguments were pretty bad, but I wanted to lynch him without that. 

But grats to EFHW for correctly analyzing RR; that's something I cannot seem to do. 
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1215 on: February 02, 2016, 10:44:04 am »

Yay go us!  Why did you guys kill me?

I don't know what RR's reasoning behind it was, but I was fine with it mostly because I didn't anticipate Teproc being as difficult to mislynch as he turned out to be, so I wanted to keep him alive, and out of the remaining options, you had a good chance of being a PR because of PoE and you also had slightly inconvenient reads.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1216 on: February 02, 2016, 10:44:11 am »

I didn't think the self-vote did him any favors, either.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1217 on: February 02, 2016, 10:46:23 am »

I didn't think the self-vote did him any favors, either.

Hear, hear.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1218 on: February 02, 2016, 10:47:04 am »

My QT : http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/s8mrMikThEG

Congrats WW, that was another tough lylo, I kept going back and forth.

I'd feel sad that you got two lylos right in a row and no MVPs, but then I remembered you fakeclaimed Vig as VT, and I feel fine about it. Still think that was a terrible idea (looks like scum completely ignored it and I made many bad decisions based on it, which is on me but still).

EFHW being able to read RR is something to keep in mind, because I still have no idea what made him different here than Marvel Heroes.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1219 on: February 02, 2016, 10:48:00 am »

Yay go us!  Why did you guys kill me?

I don't know what RR's reasoning behind it was, but I was fine with it mostly because I didn't anticipate Teproc being as difficult to mislynch as he turned out to be, so I wanted to keep him alive, and out of the remaining options, you had a good chance of being a PR because of PoE and you also had slightly inconvenient reads.

But you knew I was a Watcher, that's what surprises me here. I was pretty mislynchable as VT, much less so as Watcher I think.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1220 on: February 02, 2016, 10:48:54 am »

Here's mine: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/JRPXCZJXSSz

I don't really agree with what Yuma said in there regarding your play.  I didn't even start to read Day 2 until you were already hammered, but I got a pretty strong sense you were telling the truth.  And though self-voting/self-hammering is not great, it did give us a the votes to analyze for later days.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1221 on: February 02, 2016, 10:49:28 am »

RR gets a losers consolation MVP. He would have been the MVP had WW chosen the other way. He was able to maintain his meta pretty well throughout this game. I think the end game could have used some work, but coming from a guy who has lost like 6 games at mylo as scum I can't really offer any advice.
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1222 on: February 02, 2016, 10:50:03 am »

My QT : http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/s8mrMikThEG

Congrats WW, that was another tough lylo, I kept going back and forth.

I'd feel sad that you got two lylos right in a row and no MVPs, but then I remembered you fakeclaimed Vig as VT, and I feel fine about it. Still think that was a terrible idea (looks like scum completely ignored it and I made many bad decisions based on it, which is on me but still).

EFHW being able to read RR is something to keep in mind, because I still have no idea what made him different here than Marvel Heroes.

Haha.  I guess I did take one shot from scum, so there's that.  Though I also took a shot from you :/

I've basically posted mine, but here it is:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/mpFbKwbSerE9m
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1223 on: February 02, 2016, 10:51:06 am »

I did hammer all scum in this game, so there's that. 
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Re: Mafia 74 - X-Shots 2 - Apocalypse Now! (Game Over)
« Reply #1224 on: February 02, 2016, 10:51:13 am »

Here's mine: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/JRPXCZJXSSz

I don't really agree with what Yuma said in there regarding your play.  I didn't even start to read Day 2 until you were already hammered, but I got a pretty strong sense you were telling the truth.  And though self-voting/self-hammering is not great, it did give us a the votes to analyze for later days.

I never did offer up that analysis. Got busy. But my main critique of this was that he wasn't that he was telling the truth, it was that he was stretching it.

I saw no reason to state that he was sure Xerxes was scum when his result of a "roleblocker" was ambiguous, especially as I knew as a mod that there were two other town roleblockers.
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