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[faust]

Also I prefer shooting Egor over shooting Archetype by a lot. I believe Hitler is way more likely to play the way Egor does than he is to play like Arch.

[Hydrad]

The chance of drawing FFF here are around 30%. gkrieg is definitely much more suspicious now. In fact, it will be interesting to see which people voted down Grujah/Tables but voted up gkrieg/Tables. That was Hydrad (and ADK, well if you consider his vote here as "yes").

So Hydrad, please explain your reasoning for voting the way you did.

There is 2 reasons. One is he picked L when I gave him FL

The other is he almost picked me in his government. And I liked that idea.

[gkrieg13]

I don't think I'll shoot Arch.  He is very unlikely to be hitler at this point.  I think shooting EgorK would be best at this point.  ghostofmars's last post seemed more liberal to me.

[Hydrad]

wait do we even know if when the person dies what alignment they are? Or do we get no info on it.

Also i'm guessing theres not a don't shoot option either.

[Hydrad]

but ya I think I would still pick tables/egork.

its annoying though that you got FF for tables since you can't tell if hes facist or liberal :/

[Kirian]

Well, ok. That makes Tables being Hitler less likely. Good

Since I didn't formally say it:

Tables was elected Chancellor, and was not Hitler.  Otherwise you wouldn't be discussing an execution...

[A Drowned Kernel]

I say shoot egor.

[ghostofmars]

Wait a minute, you all think that Hitler!EgorK would immediately play a fascist card after he had just been cleared by Archetype?
I already doubt that a fascist would play like that, but as Hitler that seems even more unlikely. Archetype could be Hitler and just have been unlucky to draw FFF. I don't think he is Hitler, but if you shoot one of Tables/EgorK you have a 50% chance of hitting the wrong guy and losing the game.
I'm a bit suspicious that so many push for a EgorK lynch over Archetype.

[EgorK]

The chance of drawing FFF here are around 30%. gkrieg is definitely much more suspicious now. In fact, it will be interesting to see which people voted down Grujah/Tables but voted up gkrieg/Tables. That was Hydrad (and ADK, well if you consider his vote here as "yes").

So Hydrad, please explain your reasoning for voting the way you did.

If you do believe Table you should only consider probability ratio between FFF and FFL, not absolute probability of FFF. But you are likely F, so good job manipulating people here

[EgorK]

Wait a minute, you all think that Hitler!EgorK would immediately play a fascist card after he had just been cleared by Archetype?
I already doubt that a fascist would play like that, but as Hitler that seems even more unlikely. Archetype could be Hitler and just have been unlucky to draw FFF. I don't think he is Hitler, but if you shoot one of Tables/EgorK you have a 50% chance of hitting the wrong guy and losing the game.
I'm a bit suspicious that so many push for a EgorK lynch over Archetype.

I double that Tables play make much sense if Arch is Hitler though. Look, only plausible explanation of it all so far is that Tables is F. Why would I basically put me and Arch out of the game if we are both F (and if I am F Arch obviously are) right away? Even if we'd take "L" Table with us?

[EgorK]

Calling it now: Tables, faust and ADK are fascists. Who is Hitler - that's another question

[faust]

Wait a minute, you all think that Hitler!EgorK would immediately play a fascist card after he had just been cleared by Archetype?
I already doubt that a fascist would play like that, but as Hitler that seems even more unlikely. Archetype could be Hitler and just have been unlucky to draw FFF. I don't think he is Hitler, but if you shoot one of Tables/EgorK you have a 50% chance of hitting the wrong guy and losing the game.
I'm a bit suspicious that so many push for a EgorK lynch over Archetype.

I think Egor messed up. If Archetype was Hitler, he would feel more inclined to participate.

[faust]

The chance of drawing FFF here are around 30%. gkrieg is definitely much more suspicious now. In fact, it will be interesting to see which people voted down Grujah/Tables but voted up gkrieg/Tables. That was Hydrad (and ADK, well if you consider his vote here as "yes").

So Hydrad, please explain your reasoning for voting the way you did.

If you do believe Table you should only consider probability ratio between FFF and FFL, not absolute probability of FFF. But you are likely F, so good job manipulating people here

You're right. Assuming first 2 cards were FF (I am aware that there has been some discussion recently about whether this is the correct way to calculate this), there's a 40% chance to draw L.

[ghostofmars]

I think Egor messed up. If Archetype was Hitler, he would feel more inclined to participate.

I don't think Archetype is Hitler, but I don't think EgorK is Hitler either. And given the choice between an inactive player that must be fascist if EgorK is fascist and a player that might be liberal even if Archetype is fascist and is active I'd kill the former.
I would already have a hard time understanding his actions if EgorK was fascist. As Hitler his actions seem like an incredible gambit.

[Grujah]

Calling it now: Tables, faust and ADK are fascists. Who is Hitler - that's another question

so you believe gkrieg drew FFF?

[faust]

I think Egor messed up. If Archetype was Hitler, he would feel more inclined to participate.

I don't think Archetype is Hitler, but I don't think EgorK is Hitler either. And given the choice between an inactive player that must be fascist if EgorK is fascist and a player that might be liberal even if Archetype is fascist and is active I'd kill the former.
I would already have a hard time understanding his actions if EgorK was fascist. As Hitler his actions seem like an incredible gambit.

I guess at this point I'm just willing to bet the game on Tables being liberal. We are on the verge of losing and have to make some choices that may be risky.

[faust]

This also correlates witht the fact that Tables is a presidential candidate today. So if I'm willing to support him as president, I may as well go all in.

[Grujah]

Yeah, I'd support a Tables goverment most likely.  Like, if he chooses me or faust.

[gkrieg13]

I will shoot later tonight. I'm shooting among tables/egork tonight. We know that one of them is fascist. Right now I will probably shoot Egork because he has a possibility to be hitler and has acted more like a fascist.

[EgorK]

Calling it now: Tables, faust and ADK are fascists. Who is Hitler - that's another question

so you believe gkrieg drew FFF?

Well, given gkrieg performance as chancellor it is unlikely he is "plain" fascist. He can be Hitler that had drawn FFL though

[EgorK]

I will shoot later tonight. I'm shooting among tables/egork tonight. We know that one of them is fascist. Right now I will probably shoot Egork because he has a possibility to be hitler and has acted more like a fascist.

Can you say why Hitler would select F out of FL right after he was confirmed liberal?

[EgorK]

Guys, give me scenario where my play would be reasonable as F or H. Because I can see none as either.

[faust]

I will shoot later tonight. I'm shooting among tables/egork tonight. We know that one of them is fascist. Right now I will probably shoot Egork because he has a possibility to be hitler and has acted more like a fascist.

Can you say why Hitler would select F out of FL right after he was confirmed liberal?

To make Tables look guilty? Isn't that easy?

[Grujah]

I will shoot later tonight. I'm shooting among tables/egork tonight. We know that one of them is fascist. Right now I will probably shoot Egork because he has a possibility to be hitler and has acted more like a fascist.

Can you say why Hitler would select F out of FL right after he was confirmed liberal?

Basically any review of Secret Hitler mentions that Hitler should play as staunch liberal. But look how after 3 F laws everyone and their mothers want to appoint someone who may be fascist, but not Hitler at least.

You wrote that. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also Hitler! Egork might have thought that tables was fascist and would cover for him.