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But you see, you took egork from L-2 (very lynchable) to vote someone with 0 votes that is not really even a lynch candidate today.

So that is a big deal. You diffused the whole wagon moving your vote

[Haddock]

So in fact I was doing the complete opposite of you! Voting for my read and using my voice to pressure. That is townie.

FINE.

vote: Egor

Hydrad, you need to start contributing to the game!!!
Get out here and say something useful!


That better?



PPE.  No, no I didn't.  Other people went berserk over a completely innocent change of vote.

[faust]

Had not yet time to reread, but:

- mass claim not seems like a good option. Benefit of probably get better feel if both faust and WW telling truth is not enough to out town PRs

- after some though I think I believe WW claim a bit more.

So Vote: faust

I can ask you the question noone so far could answer: Why does scum!me claim what I did in this scenario? It's an awful claim to make for scum.

To buy time, out possible PR or drive mislynch

Any way, the claim gets me lynched by D3 the latest... how is that worth it?

Considering you were at L-2 and likely lynch candidate? Totally. I mean, even if we lynch you today scum|you achieved town PR outing

It was a couple of hours into D2...

[Haddock]

Wait, sorry, I thought you were saying that I was solely to blame for the complete dissolution of the Egor wagon.  I take issue with that.  But I now see that wasn't what you said.

[Roadrunner7671]

So...Faust's and WW's claims are going to get swept under the carpet? EgorK is scummy IMO, but that is beyond the point. Consider me on the wagon. Unvote
PPE 2

[Teproc]

Look, I understand it's not nice to have everyone jump on you, but voting is the one thing that matters the most in the game.

About pressure votes : pressure votes can be a thing... but there usefulness is directly proportional to how strongly they seem to be meant. So if you say you're voting someone for pressure, that doesn't accomplish much because they don't have to take your vote seriously.

PPE : What...

[yuma]

He got called out and changed behaviour!  Town!

vote: Egork

[Teproc]

Roadrunner, you know how you can be considered on the Egork wagon ?

I'll give you a hint : it involves bolding.

Wait, abort. Well don't abort, but I believe that's L-1.

[Teproc]

unvote because I'm scared of derphammers. I'll revote in a few.

[Teproc]

And yes, I see the irony in me unvoting here. I just don't have the trust that derphammers don't happen anymore, I've been scarred.

[Haddock]

Wait, sorry, I thought you were saying that I was solely to blame for the complete dissolution of the Egor wagon.  I take issue with that.  But I now see that wasn't what you said.

Wait, yes it was!   

PPE.(Teproc 12:22) Bleh.  Yeah probably I did a stupid thing.  But not a scummy thing.  I wasn't expecting such a strong reaction to it.

PPE. (Teproc 12:23) Huh?  Isn't that L-2 again (L-3 with your unvote)?

[Teproc]

Ok, I miscounted.

vote: EgorK

[faust]

One thing I didn't really give full consideration to is that now we can ask Faust/WW for their results on future days and look for inconsistencies or possible lies. So even if one is likely to be lying, we don't have to decide that today. We can look for other scum. e and Yuma brought these points up after I pushed for us to lynch one of them yesterday. It makes sense.

Now I am flip flopping again and I just feel stupid for it. Oh well.

Vote: EgorK

PPE: Yuma looks like he's losing it... blah, I just don't know what to think of this game anymore ><

Or we could lynch scum today. That sounds like a great plan actually. I am really not convinced by the Egor wagon.

[faust]

It still works because the narrative earlier is the same as today, desire to drive a mislynch if you are scum and hydrad is town. The context of today doesn't really matter as much.

I think you are kinda likely to be scum. That by definition means your read is fake. If you aren't well then I disagree with it and it isn't fake. But I don't know which one that is.

Meh.  I can sorta see Teproc as scum, but for me, scum!Teproc is conditional on scum!faust.  So faust would be a better first lynch.

I need to reread Hydrad - tonight, maybe.
Also you, though, yuma.  You've gone without scrutiny since the WW and faust claims, and I don't think that's right.  You're not obv!town to me at all.

I take it every other player who went without scrutiny today is obv!town to you?

[faust]

I have trouble believing this since you're trying to lynch me.  Tomorrow are you going to submit to getting lynched?  I somehow doubt it.

Well, I am hopeful that you will flip scum, so then there's no reason to lynch me tormorrow. If you flip town, well yes I am going to fight my lynch, but I am somewhat doubtful about the chances of success there.

[Haddock]

Meh.  I can sorta see Teproc as scum, but for me, scum!Teproc is conditional on scum!faust.  So faust would be a better first lynch.

I need to reread Hydrad - tonight, maybe.
Also you, though, yuma.  You've gone without scrutiny since the WW and faust claims, and I don't think that's right.  You're not obv!town to me at all.

I take it every other player who went without scrutiny today is obv!town to you?

What?  No.  There's just absolutely no way that you can infer that from what I said.

[faust]

Meh.  I can sorta see Teproc as scum, but for me, scum!Teproc is conditional on scum!faust.  So faust would be a better first lynch.

I need to reread Hydrad - tonight, maybe.
Also you, though, yuma.  You've gone without scrutiny since the WW and faust claims, and I don't think that's right.  You're not obv!town to me at all.

I take it every other player who went without scrutiny today is obv!town to you?

What?  No.  There's just absolutely no way that you can infer that from what I said.

I was making a sarcastic remark about how it is strange that you picked yuma out of several people who have not gotten scrutiny.

[faust]

Haddock feels scummy to me on a gut level. In the recent fight, he comes off a bit like Ichimaru, and I always found him scummy, so who knows. Would have to reread for more detailed thoughts.

We should really lynch WW though. Carthage has to be destroyed.

[Haddock]

I was making a sarcastic remark about how it is strange that you picked yuma out of several people who have not gotten scrutiny.

Hilarious.

Let me make what I said there a bit clearer, not that I thought it needed any explanation.

A lot of people seem to be treating yuma as obv!town.  I don't agree with this.
Yuma has not gone under the microscope the way he perhaps should have after his derphammer. 

PPE. Well, I can't argue with gut.  I'm being forced to rely on gut a lot this game, it's seriously confusing.  I'm town though.

[Witherweaver]

That's not how voting works. If you want us to accept you as voting EgorK, vote EgorK. muddying accountability for your votes is compeltely anti-town, and it's the second time in this game you've done it.

Get used to it.  You don't dictate how people behave with their votes.  I've seen other people do this with their votes and it's a useful tool.

Vote accountability only becomes a thing when a lynch has happened.  If Egor gets lynched and I haven't moved back to him, I promise you right now I will not be trying to get any kind of credit for it.

How is it useful?

[Witherweaver]

I get to say I think it's anti-town...
Setting votes as a remainder is not a thing, and I'm very curious who else has done it so I can berate them as well.

OK, so put it another way.  I want pressure to be on both of them.  Noone is currently voting Hydrad, it may as well be me. 

This is much more effective if you simply vote Hydrad without any qualifications on your vote.  "I'm voting X, but consider me essentially voting Y" just doesn't work.

[Haddock]

Enough!
Whatever, I fucked up, I'm sorry. 

Obviously it's no longer useful since I've made it so clear that I was only doing it for pressure.  Which makes it pressureless.  I've changed back.

[Haddock]

Can we all just move the hell ON, now?

[Teproc]

Haddock's reaction to all this is pretty townie.

[Ampharos]

Y'all get so worked up about meaningless stuff. 

Just lynch WW and get this day over with.