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[pingpongsam]

Now you're really starting to sound like scum!

For asking sensible questions?

[Witherweaver]

Based on you getting an impossible result on Jimmmmm and a wrong result on me, I don't exactly trust your Copping.  It doesn't mean you're scum, though.

[iguanaiguana]

You know what I think. I do wish other people would give their opinions on this.

I don't see why scum would be pushing town!PPS to do a full claim though. If you really are town and WW is really scum, then what you stand to gain by doing a full claim is one town member not lynched, one scum member lynched, today. It's a net gain to the most likely alternative (the opposite of that), even if it neuters your ability.

Scum wants to see town!PPS lynched, and they don't want to have to bother with killing town!PPS at night, so scum wouldn't be pushing you to claim at all.

This is my thinking, at least.

[iguanaiguana]

What really bothers me here is that Witherweaver and PPS are both acting scummy, when it seems basically impossible that both of them are scum 

[pingpongsam]

Based on you getting an impossible result on Jimmmmm and a wrong result on me, I don't exactly trust your Copping.  It doesn't mean you're scum, though.

What makes you so certain it is an impossible result? I would be more suspect of a single result than dual results. What sort of power was I targeted with that would cause me to get two conflicting results on a person? A more likely scenario is Jimmmmm has town and anti-town roles. thus the result is really good. That is to say I am more inclined to doubt my result on WW than on Jimmmmm. Guess who was the only person who knew I was a cop before I investigated WW... yep, WW, himself. Do you think town!WW would then target me with his potential redirect power or swap power or whatever to confuse my results? No, town!WW would not. By the same token scum!WW might very well have done so but if that were the case I would not have turned up a Guilty result on him. Which strongly suggests the one person who knew I was cop did not do anything to tamper with my results. Which leaves any tampering up to random selection by someone else which is simply not that likely.

[XerxesPraelor]

Based on you getting an impossible result on Jimmmmm and a wrong result on me, I don't exactly trust your Copping.  It doesn't mean you're scum, though.

What makes you so certain it is an impossible result?

A person cannot be both scum and town.

[XerxesPraelor]

Actually, no I think I understand. Your role isn't actually a cop - it simply gives the result of whether a person's role is good for town or bad for town. But then why does your result on WW mean he's scum?

[XerxesPraelor]

Can you at least claim whether your role is actually an alignment cop or whether it's something else? Because you said before it was a strict cop, but if it is a strict cop, then getting contradictory results should be impossible.

[iguanaiguana]

Sure, but your total fiasco on day one of claiming you had a posting restriction and then taking it back could very well have made someone with a redirect role decide that you would make a perfectly great target. So acting like its unlikely that someone would target you for a redirect is ridiculous.

At the same time, Witherweaver is sitting here acting like somehow you are still likely to flip town, making me think that scum!WW is just prepping a story for when we lynch you and you do flip with a town copping role. At that point he can say, look guys! I thought he was town! Don't lynch me, it was just a bad result!

[XerxesPraelor]

At the same time, Witherweaver is sitting here acting like somehow you are still likely to flip town, making me think that scum!WW is just prepping a story for when we lynch you and you do flip with a town copping role. At that point he can say, look guys! I thought he was town! Don't lynch me, it was just a bad result!

This.

[Witherweaver]

Based on you getting an impossible result on Jimmmmm and a wrong result on me, I don't exactly trust your Copping.  It doesn't mean you're scum, though.

What makes you so certain it is an impossible result? I would be more suspect of a single result than dual results. What sort of power was I targeted with that would cause me to get two conflicting results on a person? A more likely scenario is Jimmmmm has town and anti-town roles. thus the result is really good. That is to say I am more inclined to doubt my result on WW than on Jimmmmm. Guess who was the only person who knew I was a cop before I investigated WW... yep, WW, himself. Do you think town!WW would then target me with his potential redirect power or swap power or whatever to confuse my results? No, town!WW would not. By the same token scum!WW might very well have done so but if that were the case I would not have turned up a Guilty result on him. Which strongly suggests the one person who knew I was cop did not do anything to tamper with my results. Which leaves any tampering up to random selection by someone else which is simply not that likely.

What do you mean  have town and antitown roles?  You either have the town wincon or you don't.  I don't believe you can have the town wincon and another wincon in a normal game.

[Witherweaver]

Sure, but your total fiasco on day one of claiming you had a posting restriction and then taking it back could very well have made someone with a redirect role decide that you would make a perfectly great target. So acting like its unlikely that someone would target you for a redirect is ridiculous.

At the same time, Witherweaver is sitting here acting like somehow you are still likely to flip town, making me think that scum!WW is just prepping a story for when we lynch you and you do flip with a town copping role. At that point he can say, look guys! I thought he was town! Don't lynch me, it was just a bad result!

Why are you certain he's scum?  He's claimed one result that doesn't make any sense and one result that's just wrong... what's his scum endgame?

[iguanaiguana]

At the same time, Witherweaver is sitting here acting like somehow you are still likely to flip town, making me think that scum!WW is just prepping a story for when we lynch you and you do flip with a town copping role. At that point he can say, look guys! I thought he was town! Don't lynch me, it was just a bad result!

This.

I know, RIGHT?

SO:

This is what I say to town!PPS

You are playing in such a way that is likely to get you lynched and your lynch target off the hook! WHY?

[iguanaiguana]

endgame?

Right now I'm crying a silent tear for the dying hope that anyone playing right now actually has an endgame.

[iguanaiguana]

Ok, again. Sorry.

If people can't tell, I'm a little frustrated.

[faust]

What really bothers me here is that Witherweaver and PPS are both acting scummy, when it seems basically impossible that both of them are scum 

Well, basically impossible is a long shot. There are a lot of ways this could play out.

- they could be partners and have decided to go 1 vs 1 to give the other part of the team lots of towncred.
- they could be scum on opposing teams
- they could be scum on the same team, but one of them is a Traitor and so they don't know they're on the same team

In both latter cases, PPS could legitimately have some sort of result on WW. He's still lying though.

[faust]

Sure, but your total fiasco on day one of claiming you had a posting restriction and then taking it back could very well have made someone with a redirect role decide that you would make a perfectly great target. So acting like its unlikely that someone would target you for a redirect is ridiculous.

At the same time, Witherweaver is sitting here acting like somehow you are still likely to flip town, making me think that scum!WW is just prepping a story for when we lynch you and you do flip with a town copping role. At that point he can say, look guys! I thought he was town! Don't lynch me, it was just a bad result!

Why are you certain he's scum?  He's claimed one result that doesn't make any sense and one result that's just wrong... what's his scum endgame?

He lied. Isn't that good enough a reason?

[Witherweaver]

Sure, but your total fiasco on day one of claiming you had a posting restriction and then taking it back could very well have made someone with a redirect role decide that you would make a perfectly great target. So acting like its unlikely that someone would target you for a redirect is ridiculous.

At the same time, Witherweaver is sitting here acting like somehow you are still likely to flip town, making me think that scum!WW is just prepping a story for when we lynch you and you do flip with a town copping role. At that point he can say, look guys! I thought he was town! Don't lynch me, it was just a bad result!

Why are you certain he's scum?  He's claimed one result that doesn't make any sense and one result that's just wrong... what's his scum endgame?

He lied. Isn't that good enough a reason?

Have you met PPS before?

[faust]

Have you met PPS before?

I don't remember town!PPS fakeclaiming on purpose. Care to show me a game where he did that?

[faust]

It would be very funny indeed if scum WW/PPS cooked this up to get WW lynched because that in some way benefits them, and now WW is desperately trying to get lynched over his scumpartner.

[Witherweaver]

Have you met PPS before?

I don't remember town!PPS fakeclaiming on purpose. Care to show me a game where he did that?

Well, I don't know about fake claiming, but certainly crazy claiming a la Dice Mafia.

[iguanaiguana]

Two scum seems unlikely with the whole neighborizer thing though. WW put me in a neighborhood with him N2 and apparently put PPS in the neighborhood N1.

Could have been made up I guess but it seemed pretty authentic.

[Witherweaver]

I was thinking PPS getting mislynched in the last game he played had something to do with claiming, but I guess that was me in that game.

[faust]

Have you met PPS before?

I don't remember town!PPS fakeclaiming on purpose. Care to show me a game where he did that?

Well, I don't know about fake claiming, but certainly crazy claiming a la Dice Mafia.

So you have nothing to back up your read. Cool.

[Witherweaver]

Have you met PPS before?

I don't remember town!PPS fakeclaiming on purpose. Care to show me a game where he did that?

Well, I don't know about fake claiming, but certainly crazy claiming a la Dice Mafia.

So you have nothing to back up your read. Cool.

After our neighborhood conversation, I thought he was town.  Day 2 didn't change that; I thought his statement about Jimmmm was due to continued confusion on what his role actually gave.

Now I don't really know.  But what I see is a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense.