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[iguanaiguana]

To be clear, I'm not telling you to lynch me. I'm just saying that I make a better lynch than Hydrad (the worst possible lynch), or you (the next worst lynch).

Yes, I understand that. But you're still not a great lynch IMO.

Glad to hear it. If one other person agrees, we're all set.

But yeah I'd like to hear more from people, especially WW/Faust.

[faust]

Okay, let's see... I mean, there are ways to stop my role from working; mainly if the person I targetted is Ascetic or some such. Then my targetting fails... so technically, WW could be Ascetic - but if he was, then PPS could not have targetted him. Of course PPS could have made that targetting up. There's also a potential of Bus Driving. So... there can surely be manipulative roles at work here that make our results invalid. None of our results is 100%.

The problem is: WW is a confirmed Neighborizer. That leaves less space for other funky roles. Basically he only can affect the person he targets. So no Bus Driving or stuff like that. Ascatic is still possible, again it does not fit with PPS's claim.

The roles of Hydrad and RR are the only ones that are entirely unconfirmed.

[faust]

I am not sure iguana is scum. But I can never be sure he is town either, and Occam's Razor tells me he is scum. And you know what - he's right. Lynching him isn't the worst thing ever.

We can lynch iguana, in the night RR bodyguards me, RR probably dies, there's three left, including Hydrad. We can lynch Hydrad and he gets to kill one of the remaining players. The only way scum can win if they are the last man standing.

[iguanaiguana]

I am not sure iguana is scum. But I can never be sure he is town either, and Occam's Razor tells me he is scum. And you know what - he's right. Lynching him isn't the worst thing ever.

We can lynch iguana, in the night RR bodyguards me, RR probably dies, there's three left, including Hydrad. We can lynch Hydrad and he gets to kill one of the remaining players. The only way scum can win if they are the last man standing.

See, I am 100% on board with that plan, except that I would replace all instances of "Iguana" with "Faust" or "Witherweaver."

Either town!Faust is thinking, "By lynching Iguana, I will know who the remaining scum player is and town can win" or scum!Faust is thinking "This way, I will be most likely to be the last scum standing." I just don't know which.

And as much as you read towny to me, the information that you give seems impossible given the knowledge that I also have of my own alignment and Hydrad's likely alignment.

Unfortunately, if you ARE town, you see it the exact same way as I do. Except where I am unable to be sure about you, you are unable to be sure about me. I completely understand that. The sad thing would be if we are BOTH town, because that is the exact situation at this point where scum is most likely to win. Because probably if I get lynched, and you survive the night, Hydrad will be shooting for you.

I think I have very little else to say at this point. I even feel I am repeating myself now. I will continue to wait for RR and Hydrad's vote before I place mine. What witherweaver thinks of all of this will also be helpful.

[Witherweaver]

Bus Driving would explain quite a bit of the weird results, I think:

Order of Operations:

Roles were placed into the following groups. Players can ask the mod specifically about their own role but not about where other roles would fit into the ordering.

Replicate
Leave
Bus
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Inspect

Bus resolves before most other things.

[Witherweaver]

I am not sure iguana is scum. But I can never be sure he is town either, and Occam's Razor tells me he is scum. And you know what - he's right. Lynching him isn't the worst thing ever.

We can lynch iguana, in the night RR bodyguards me, RR probably dies, there's three left, including Hydrad. We can lynch Hydrad and he gets to kill one of the remaining players. The only way scum can win if they are the last man standing.

See, I am 100% on board with that plan, except that I would replace all instances of "Iguana" with "Faust" or "Witherweaver."

Either town!Faust is thinking, "By lynching Iguana, I will know who the remaining scum player is and town can win" or scum!Faust is thinking "This way, I will be most likely to be the last scum standing." I just don't know which.

And as much as you read towny to me, the information that you give seems impossible given the knowledge that I also have of my own alignment and Hydrad's likely alignment.

Unfortunately, if you ARE town, you see it the exact same way as I do. Except where I am unable to be sure about you, you are unable to be sure about me. I completely understand that. The sad thing would be if we are BOTH town, because that is the exact situation at this point where scum is most likely to win. Because probably if I get lynched, and you survive the night, Hydrad will be shooting for you.

I think I have very little else to say at this point. I even feel I am repeating myself now. I will continue to wait for RR and Hydrad's vote before I place mine. What witherweaver thinks of all of this will also be helpful.

I don't understand how you could think me. Egor cleared me and you know he was town.  Now Faust has also cleared me, and there's almost no way his role could fail.  How could I be scum and Faust be town?  Or do you think we're partners?

[Witherweaver]

RR, who did you target the last two nights?

[Roadrunner7671]

RR, who did you target the last two nights?

I didn't submit my night action in time last night.

[faust]

RR, who did you target the last two nights?

I didn't submit my night action in time last night.

Ummm... your night action is compulsive...

[faust]

Coudl RR be scum after all?

[Roadrunner7671]

RR, who did you target the last two nights?

I didn't submit my night action in time last night.

Ummm... your night action is compulsive...

What does that mean?

[faust]

RR, who did you target the last two nights?

I didn't submit my night action in time last night.

Ummm... your night action is compulsive...

What does that mean?

Surely it says that in your role PM.

[Roadrunner7671]

I forgot to submit my night action. Yuma randomlyassigned me to someone. I don't get to know who it was.

[Witherweaver]

Coudl RR be scum after all?

I've always thought he was.

[iguanaiguana]

Isn't he loud? Someone should know if they got a visit from Roadrunner.

[Witherweaver]

Hm... I thought  if you were Compulsive and didn't submit an action you were modkilled? 

[Witherweaver]

Isn't he loud? Someone should know if they got a visit from Roadrunner.

This is true.

[faust]

I forgot to submit my night action. Yuma randomlyassigned me to someone. I don't get to know who it was.

That person would know though, right? Can anyone confirm that he was targetted by RR? Otherwise I think we have a liar.

Well, not certainly. Unfortunately, RR could have targetted me, in which case noone would be targetted. That's a 1/5 chance.

PPE: 4

[faust]

So WW not targetted, iguana not targetted, Egor not targetted...

Hydrad?

[faust]

This game certainly achieves to make my brain hurt.

[Roadrunner7671]

Hm... I thought  if you were Compulsive and didn't submit an action you were modkilled?

Yuma made a time mistake. He PMed me saying I had a few hours left but really I didn't.

[iguanaiguana]

I don't understand how you could think me. Egor cleared me and you know he was town.  Now Faust has also cleared me, and there's almost no way his role could fail.  How could I be scum and Faust be town?  Or do you think we're partners?

Faust has cleared everyone that I have no strong read on, and has declared likely scum everyone that I have good reason to think is town. I can't trust Faust's judgment at all here.

Coudl RR be scum after all?

I've always thought he was.

First you come to me saying "How can you think I am scum when Faust cleared me?" Then you go on to attack the other person who Faust cleared as town in the exact same way? That is just absurdly ridiculous.

[faust]

Hm... I thought  if you were Compulsive and didn't submit an action you were modkilled?

Yuma made a time mistake. He PMed me saying I had a few hours left but really I didn't.

Ugh. That sounds all kinds of wrong. I seriously doubt yuma would punish anyone for a mistake he made. I mean, not even telling you who you targetted, what?

No, vote: RR

[Roadrunner7671]

He didn't punish me. He kept me alive!

[iguanaiguana]

Hm... I thought  if you were Compulsive and didn't submit an action you were modkilled?

Where does it say this? I searched for "modkill" in the thread and saw no mention of this.

If it is in writing somewhere that a modkill is the result of not submitting a compulsive action, I would want to vote RR. OTOH if it says that a random assignment is the result, I would be inclined to believe him.

This latest development seems to me to be Much Ado About Nothing.