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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1325 on: November 22, 2015, 09:47:13 am »

iguana jailkeeping Hydrad when he thinks WW and me are scummy makes very little sense.

"Iguana being able to read the game as well as I am and come to the same conclusion that I did is SSSSSCCCCCCUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYY D:< D:< D:< D:<"
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1326 on: November 22, 2015, 09:52:16 am »

Unvote

Faust

I've been thinking about this a lot. I still wish you were scum, because that would make this game easy to win, but I don't think you are anymore. Your behavior is just not consistent with scum at all.

So let's decide for the sake of argument that you and I are both town and both telling the truth about our role interactions.

You have vouched for Witherweaver and Roadrunner. I have vouched for Hydrad. But not everyone is town, so one of us is wrong in this "Interesting possibility(TM)."

So we need to figure out who is wrong, or they lynch me first, lynch you next, (OR VICE VERSA WHATEVER) and scum gets to sit back and watch as the town rips itself to shreds.

You know a hell of a lot about roles than I do. I FULLY admit that I have not read all of these roles. There are a lot.

So please can we come up with situations where either Witherweaver or Hydrad could be tricking us into thinking they are town when they are not?
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1327 on: November 22, 2015, 10:30:11 am »

Haven't caught up yet.  Last night I made a neighborhood with EgorK. We didn't talk much. (I was gone most of yesterday.)  He said he supposes that it's Hydard (his tone suggested this was "by default" as in there is no other option).  He also said he's uneasy about Faust, because of the double result from PPS.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1328 on: November 22, 2015, 10:33:49 am »

Well okay.. everyone alive is vouched by someone else?  Except Iguana, but he's one of the ones doing the vouching.

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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1329 on: November 22, 2015, 10:35:58 am »

Well okay.. everyone alive is vouched by someone else?  Except Iguana, but he's one of the ones doing the vouching.

Faust is not vouched for by anyone because of hider.

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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1330 on: November 22, 2015, 10:37:51 am »

Well okay.. everyone alive is vouched by someone else?  Except Iguana, but he's one of the ones doing the vouching.

Faust is not vouched for by anyone because of hider.

Oh, this is true.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1331 on: November 22, 2015, 10:52:25 am »

So why did you choose Hydrad?
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1332 on: November 22, 2015, 10:52:33 am »

People probably think I am just scum trying to dodge a lynch right now. I realize that it looks like that. I AM town, so I will do my best to explain my thought process as well as I can during this game.

So first of all, all of my recent decisions have been colored by my increasing annoyance with Faust's wrong assumption that I am scum, along with the undue control he has had over this game so far, which I will now go out on the record and say are not necessarily scum traits or town traits. I have definitely made poor plays in this game, based on the assumptions that my mislynch was at various times unavoidable or necessary. At times, I have made posts with the goal in mind of making Faust look silly when I flip town. Toward that end, probably I have only made myself look silly, and scummy, and validated everyone's scumread on me. And I am sorry for that.

Now, let's go

Faust first gave a scumread on me based on my interactions with Xerxes, who we now know is scum. I don't know exactly what the basis for that scumread was, but I imagine that it has to do with the fact that we voted for each other or claimed to want to vote for each other at non-critical times, but then never followed up those votes by actually being on the wagon at lynch.

I don't think this is a very good argument. I cannot speak for Xerxes, but as for myself, I have obviously been floundering a lot this game and changing my vote a lot. I am prone to changing my mind, especially when new evidence comes up, and am perhaps too susceptible to listening to other people's arguments or ideas. The result of that was a series of bad timing with my votes on Xerxes, such that none of them ended up making a difference. In the end, Xerxes' weak "town should listen to my scumreads after my death" argument, combined with Faust's suspicion of me and his confidence that he has the game "solved" pushed me over the edge.  That doesn't change the fact that I did find Xerxes to be scummy, and wanted him lynched. If I had gotten my lynch on Faust, and he had flipped town, I would have gone after Xerxes next for sure. Obviously, it didn't happen that way and I can't prove that. Let's put that aside, I guess.

Last night, when I was choosing who to target, I did in fact choose Witherweaver first. However, I changed my target to Hydrad before the end of the night. Again, we can't both be scum at this point, so the fact that I am reporting it and Hydrad is confirming it should be enough to prove that at least I targeted Hydrad with some kind of action. Once I am dead or this game is over, you will all see that the action was jailkeeping. At any rate, the line of reasoning I used was this: at the end of yesterday, Witherweaver looked more and more like town. He proved ready to vote Xerxes before it was a sure thing that the Xerxes wagon took off, and didn't want to go after Faust even though it would have been a real possibility if he flipped. He looked like he was trying to honestly figure things out, and so after some time I questioned myself. I remembered that on jailkeeping Hydrad on N2, there had in fact been no deaths, and wondered whether the deaths on N3/N4 were because scum knew I was jailkeeping Hydrad and decided to have Xerxes perform the kill instead.

I was greedy and wanted a clean end to the game. I convinced myself that Hydrad was most likely the remaining scum player and decided to jailkeep him, thinking that if there were no deaths last night I would be able to explain the phenomenon and have scum!Hydrad lynched, without town needing to go through the process of my mislynch. I had the glowing stars of MVP in my eyes, dreaming the pipe dream that I for once would be able to use my power role effectively and turn things around from being the most hated player to the most loved.

It was all of course to no avail. There was a kill last night, most likely either because Hydrad can break through a jailkeep or Witherweaver has found a way to cheat Faust's scum check. And yes, it is also possible that Faust is playing a very risky game here, and he is the remaining scum player.

I wish I could tell anyone anything with certainty, but the only role I know is my own.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1333 on: November 22, 2015, 10:54:57 am »

So why did you choose Hydrad?

Your question is answered above in the IIMO (Iguana Iguana Magnum Opus)
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1334 on: November 22, 2015, 11:06:11 am »

Maybe scum has some flavor of Redirector/Bus Driver.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1335 on: November 22, 2015, 11:23:04 am »

One thing I just cannot do is piece together how the roles are supposed to be working. I just don't have enough experience. This is my first game. I'm sorry.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1336 on: November 22, 2015, 11:48:31 am »

I have been thinking a lot about Faust's plan of lynching Hydrad, and if he is town, having Hydrad vengekill me.

It is a horrible, horrible plan. Why? Because I am town.

So if Hydrad is scum it is all well and good and we win. But if Hydrad is town, then he will vengekill me, also town, and we both die. Then we go into the night with three people left alive, just Witherweaver, Roadrunner, and Faust. Mafia shoots one, and the game is over. Mafia wins.

So if we lynch Hydrad and he is town, mafia just wins. Regardless of whether the mafia player is Witherweaver or Faust.

So I am going out on the record and saying this, for the sake of town:

I prefer my own lynch to Hydrad's lynch. If you for some reason think that the only possible scum players in the game are me or him, vote for me.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1337 on: November 22, 2015, 11:50:00 am »

Still catching up.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1338 on: November 22, 2015, 11:53:18 am »

Also, I have prepared a meme for my death, to be looked upon mournfully in the event that you do decide to lynch me. It is a summation of how I would feel being mislynched. Therefore, my last request is that if someone decides to hammer me, they simply post "Intent to hammer" before doing it, so that I have a chance to get online and post my meme before Yuma locks up the thread.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1339 on: November 22, 2015, 11:55:19 am »

If you kill Iguanaiguana, I will be very sad.

He's pretty cool, and he's town. We've been over this many, many times. I'm sorta just...here, doing nothing. If we lynch WW, that's very safe. Based on who dies we should be able to find scum.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1340 on: November 22, 2015, 11:57:54 am »

I am okay with a WW lynch or Faust lynch. Lynching me isn't the worst. Hydrad lynch is absolutely unacceptable. Lynching RR is just, like, goofy.

So yeah: my priorities are (WW; Faust), Me.

RR, I will vote for whoever you vote for.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1341 on: November 22, 2015, 12:07:44 pm »

Don't trust my reads iguanaiguana, even though I know you are town, I technically still have to entertain the thought that you are scum.

So I'm not voting yet.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1342 on: November 22, 2015, 12:12:15 pm »

Its a bonus for me that if you lynch me I get to post my animated gif. I am very very okay with it.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1343 on: November 22, 2015, 12:30:29 pm »

Its a bonus for me that if you lynch me I get to post my animated gif. I am very very okay with it.
This is depressing.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1344 on: November 22, 2015, 01:04:10 pm »

Its a bonus for me that if you lynch me I get to post my animated gif. I am very very okay with it.
This is depressing.

If we don't lynch scum tonight, the chances of both of us living through the night are very low. These are dark times indeed.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1345 on: November 22, 2015, 01:05:47 pm »

What do we gain from lynching you Iguana?
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1346 on: November 22, 2015, 01:12:48 pm »

What do we gain from lynching you Iguana?

At least a possibility for town to still win! If we lynch Hydrad, and he vengekills me, then we just auto-lose.

If we lynch me, there are three town alive and one scum left. Then it depends on who scum kill at night.

If they kill Hydrad at night, they just lose. They won't be doing that. So Hydrad survives the night.

If they kill Roadrunner (likely), then Hydrad, Witherweaver and Faust have a showdown. No one wants to place their vote their because no one is sure who is scum and who is not.

If they kill WW or Faust, then you (RR) have to make a choice between the remaining players of Hydrad or WW/Faust. I suggest you choose whichever is alive: WW or Faust. But it will be up to you.

So as long as Hydrad is not scum, lynching me is not the worst thing ever.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1347 on: November 22, 2015, 01:19:12 pm »

I'm still not voting until we can talk about this more.

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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1348 on: November 22, 2015, 01:25:29 pm »

To be clear, I'm not telling you to lynch me. I'm just saying that I make a better lynch than Hydrad (the worst possible lynch), or you (the next worst lynch).
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day5)
« Reply #1349 on: November 22, 2015, 01:31:14 pm »

To be clear, I'm not telling you to lynch me. I'm just saying that I make a better lynch than Hydrad (the worst possible lynch), or you (the next worst lynch).
Yes, I understand that. But you're still not a great lynch IMO.
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