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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1250 on: November 19, 2015, 01:56:59 pm »

It is notable that iguana only started all this after WW said he thinks Im scummy.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1251 on: November 19, 2015, 01:58:25 pm »

There are no responses to be points I made because they are valid points and iguana cannot come up with good counterarguments. Neither can WW.

All this of course fits with the iguana/Xerxes team I still think most likely.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1252 on: November 19, 2015, 02:08:04 pm »

This is a question for Town!Faust, who may or may not exist in this game.

At this point with how WW is treating you, can you now see the narrative for a Xerxes/WW scum team?

Because I am now convinced the team is either Xerxes/WW or Faust/Egor. Any other pairing is just really unlikely in my view.
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« Reply #1253 on: November 19, 2015, 02:09:37 pm »

Also, if we lynch you and you are town, how do I still win?
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1254 on: November 19, 2015, 02:09:53 pm »

This is a question for Town!Faust, who may or may not exist in this game.

At this point with how WW is treating you, can you now see the narrative for a Xerxes/WW scum team?

Because I am now convinced the team is either Xerxes/WW or Faust/Egor. Any other pairing is just really unlikely in my view.

It is definitely still a possibility. I think either Xerxes/you or Xerxes/WW. Which is why I vastly prefer a Xerxes lynch to anything else.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1255 on: November 19, 2015, 02:10:35 pm »

Also, if we lynch you and you are town, how do I still win?
I don't understand what you mean.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1256 on: November 19, 2015, 02:12:28 pm »

It is notable that iguana only started all this after WW said he thinks Im scummy.

 I do not deny for a second that WW plantes the seed of suspicion in my mind and I am fully aware that I could be getting manipulated by scum.

It is beyond me however how anyone could think me anything more than a townie flailing about in the dark and grasping at straws. It should be clear by now that I have no plan of any sort.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1257 on: November 19, 2015, 02:12:58 pm »

I am also not completely happy with Hydrad, his play is scummy... but I don't see who his partner could be.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1258 on: November 19, 2015, 02:13:39 pm »

WW also deserves a response.

It's good enough if I'm right.

I realized this: my role specifically says I target a player to create a QT with them.  If you are untargettable, my action should fail and I should not create a QT, not just you wouldn't receive the link.  But I did create it, and I posted in it.
Well, did you ask yuma what would happen in such a scenario? If this is really true, that would have interesting implications. Why would scum!me choose not to post in such a QT though?

I asked; we'll see if I can get an answer.  The only reason I can think of was that you already intended to claim to Hide last night, or needed to leave the possibility open.  Or you believed it would help validate your claim, as you thought it would confirm you.


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It doesn't make sense, as a town Hider, that you die if you target someone that performs a killing action.  Since when did Hiding behind a Vig kill a Hider?
I assume the clause is there so that I would die if I hide behind PPS. What sense does it make for scum!me not just to claim the standard Hider?

Why isn't it non-Town, though?

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I don't believe PPS made up getting two results; that's not something that would occur to any of us to make up.  Plus based on our QT discussion, I don't buy it.  You're the only Hider and the only thing that explains two results.  It's possible that he lied about receiving Guilty, but still he targetted Jimmm (he also claimed this in the QT the night before) and you claimed to hide behind Ampharos. So that leaves.. a Redirection from PPS's actions to Ampharos.  Or those targetting Jimmmm to Ampharos, which would contradict XP's claim.
Obviously scum lies. I agree that it seems a strange thing for PPS to make up, and I am not sold on the theory that he did make it up, but well there might be reasons to do that. And I find it very strange that nobody died from targetting Jimmmmm N1.

It is explained by Xerxes result.

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You don't seem to be analyzing the night actions and possibilities, which seems very out of character.
Did you actually read my posts? My vote, my reads all are heavily influenced by the N3 analysis I made. I did not make similar analyses for previous nights because there where more players we don't know about and thus more variables. I was also petty happy with the results I got from looking into D3.

Well, a big feeling of that was this post:

I don't think this whole exchange is actually leading anywhere.

WW, what are your reads? Same question to the lurkers (Hydrad/Egor)

which just felt dismissive of trying to figure out what happened, which (I think) was different than things that you had said.  But maybe you had just already thought through all of these.  Still, there was new info from answers from Yuma on how roles work.

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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1259 on: November 19, 2015, 02:14:20 pm »

Also, if we lynch you and you are town, how do I still win?
I don't understand what you mean.

Explain to me this. If we mislynch today, what is town's best path to victory?
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1260 on: November 19, 2015, 02:16:45 pm »

It is explained by Xerxes result.

I think I just refuse to believe that yuma would have Roleblocker/PGO work that way. It feels very wrong.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1261 on: November 19, 2015, 02:19:38 pm »

It is explained by Xerxes result.

I think I just refuse to believe that yuma would have Roleblocker/PGO work that way. It feels very wrong.

Every single role in this game is weird! N1 I jailkept a dude who got to pick a lover every night and he died anyway.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1262 on: November 19, 2015, 02:21:45 pm »

Also, if we lynch you and you are town, how do I still win?
I don't understand what you mean.

Explain to me this. If we mislynch today, what is town's best path to victory?

Mislynch me, or anyone?

Well, if I should be lynched, Much is going to depend on you, iguana, assuming you're town. You role is one of the stronger ones claimed. You would know the scum team is Xerxes/WW, so you target one of them. They cannot kill you (because then one of them would die) and the kill may be blocked. I think things are not looking so bad from there.

If you're scum of course, it's going to be much tougher. But I don't assume that's what you want to know about.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1263 on: November 19, 2015, 02:21:55 pm »

Why do Hydrad's and RR's claims look solid?

I know both of them better than most of the people in this game, and don't think that either of them would have made those roles up. Particularly RR, but also Hydrad.

I mean, Psychologizing whatever miller is a really weird role.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1264 on: November 19, 2015, 02:22:46 pm »

Hydrad's role irks me. It seems way OP. I may have to look again into Hydrad partners.
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« Reply #1265 on: November 19, 2015, 02:24:54 pm »

Also, if we lynch you and you are town, how do I still win?
I don't understand what you mean.

Explain to me this. If we mislynch today, what is town's best path to victory?

Mislynch me, or anyone?

Well, if I should be lynched, Much is going to depend on you, iguana, assuming you're town. You role is one of the stronger ones claimed. You would know the scum team is Xerxes/WW, so you target one of them. They cannot kill you (because then one of them would die) and the kill may be blocked. I think things are not looking so bad from there.

If you're scum of course, it's going to be much tougher. But I don't assume that's what you want to know about.

Ok that makes perfect sense. So now tell me what I should do if we lynch Xerxes amd he flips town. Lead me down that path.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1266 on: November 19, 2015, 02:26:12 pm »

Okay, I got a response from Yuma.  I was wrong; my role functions by creating a QT, being given access, and attempting to give access to my target all happening simultaneously.  So it reads to me if my target is Rolestopped/Commuting/Hiding, I will indeed get access to my QT, but my target will not.

This abates my suspicion of Faust some.

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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1267 on: November 19, 2015, 02:27:21 pm »

Why do Hydrad's and RR's claims look solid?

I know both of them better than most of the people in this game, and don't think that either of them would have made those roles up. Particularly RR, but also Hydrad.

I mean, Psychologizing whatever miller is a really weird role.
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I just mean we have had a few short conversations out of this game for me to know you a bit better than say Xerxes.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1268 on: November 19, 2015, 02:30:01 pm »

Also, if we lynch you and you are town, how do I still win?
I don't understand what you mean.

Explain to me this. If we mislynch today, what is town's best path to victory?

Mislynch me, or anyone?

Well, if I should be lynched, Much is going to depend on you, iguana, assuming you're town. You role is one of the stronger ones claimed. You would know the scum team is Xerxes/WW, so you target one of them. They cannot kill you (because then one of them would die) and the kill may be blocked. I think things are not looking so bad from there.

If you're scum of course, it's going to be much tougher. But I don't assume that's what you want to know about.

Ok that makes perfect sense. So now tell me what I should do if we lynch Xerxes amd he flips town. Lead me down that path.

I don't see that happening, but okay. So Xerxes is town, you are town, I am town, RR is town. Scum in Egor/WW/Hydrad. Main thing is I have to try and stay alive. You would need to try and stop the nightkill. WW/Hydrad is team seems impossible. So Egor would be scum in that scenarion. Which makes WW way more likely scum. Choose one of them; the situation is similar as above. If I end up being killed, Do the same thing the following night.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1269 on: November 19, 2015, 02:34:38 pm »

Well here's my biggest problem right now: with you thinking I am scum, aren't you going for my lynch tomorrow regardless of how Xerxes flips?

So if town wins even if I lynch town!you and town wins if I lynch scum!you, where exactly is my incentive to keep you alive when you want me dead?
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« Reply #1270 on: November 19, 2015, 02:37:31 pm »

The other thing about WW being scum also is that I fullclaimed to him in our neighborhood N2 but he didn't kill me, even knowing that a babysitting jailkeep is a huge endgame asset for town...
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1271 on: November 19, 2015, 02:39:23 pm »

Why do Hydrad's and RR's claims look solid?

I know both of them better than most of the people in this game, and don't think that either of them would have made those roles up. Particularly RR, but also Hydrad.

I mean, Psychologizing whatever miller is a really weird role.
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I just mean we have had a few short conversations out of this game for me to know you a bit better than say Xerxes.
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Re: RMM 28: Simply Simpler Simple Mafia (Day4)
« Reply #1272 on: November 19, 2015, 02:40:59 pm »

Well here's my biggest problem right now: with you thinking I am scum, aren't you going for my lynch tomorrow regardless of how Xerxes flips?

So if town wins even if I lynch town!you and town wins if I lynch scum!you, where exactly is my incentive to keep you alive when you want me dead?

The fact that I think you're scum stems to a large degree from the fact that you/Xerxes seems like such as reasonable pairing. If Xerxes flips town, I would certainly question my reads. If he flips scum, yeah I might go after you. I might be convinced towards WW. Anyway you have one more night to prove your worth.

A town win is all but guaranteed. We have no idea what powers scum has. Even though things might look good for town!you on paper, things could happen and you could easily lose.
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« Reply #1273 on: November 19, 2015, 02:41:43 pm »

The other thing about WW being scum also is that I fullclaimed to him in our neighborhood N2 but he didn't kill me, even knowing that a babysitting jailkeep is a huge endgame asset for town...

He was scared that you would jailkeep him?
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« Reply #1274 on: November 19, 2015, 02:42:18 pm »

Also I think Ampharos bodyguarded, so it is not out of the question that you were targetted by scum.
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